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Sep 26, 2013 22:50:39   #
carolyn
 
Last week, House Republicans passed legislation that defunds Obamacare while keeping the government open and running. And although Republicans want to keep the government open and running, and Democrats say they want the same, They sure aren't acting like it because by denouncing the House bill, Harry Reid has already said that he is willing to shut down the government to save face for the president and to defend a failed law.

So if the Senate fails to defund Obamacare , it will be the fault of the Democrats. And if the government has to shut down, it will also be the fault of the Democrats. So pray tell me if it is more important for the Democrats to save face for the president and to defend a failed law, rather than see our government continue to operate? How can any elected American leader put more value on the president saving face than keeping the government running? Or even defending a failed bill that he c***ted and helped to ram through before anyone had a chance to read it?

Can anyone, in any degree of intelligence, defend this man's honesty to the nation?

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Sep 26, 2013 23:00:12   #
bahmer
 
carolyn wrote:
Last week, House Republicans passed legislation that defunds Obamacare while keeping the government open and running. And although Republicans want to keep the government open and running, and Democrats say they want the same, They sure aren't acting like it because by denouncing the House bill, Harry Reid has already said that he is willing to shut down the government to save face for the president and to defend a failed law.

So if the Senate fails to defund Obamacare , it will be the fault of the Democrats. And if the government has to shut down, it will also be the fault of the Democrats. So pray tell me if it is more important for the Democrats to save face for the president and to defend a failed law, rather than see our government continue to operate? How can any elected American leader put more value on the president saving face than keeping the government running? Or even defending a failed bill that he c***ted and helped to ram through before anyone had a chance to read it?

Can anyone, in any degree of intelligence, defend this man's honesty to the nation?
Last week, House Republicans passed legislation th... (show quote)


The answer is an emphatic NO!!!

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Sep 26, 2013 23:10:26   #
bmac32 Loc: West Florida
 
Democrats are banking on the Republicans will be blamed as I'm sure you know. Democrats are also banking on the American citizen isn't paying attention but with Cruz on every channel that probably won't be the case. Even the NYT had the republicans didn't want government shut down just ObamaCare cut off from funding. Harry will go down this his ship afire rather than give.


carolyn wrote:
Last week, House Republicans passed legislation that defunds Obamacare while keeping the government open and running. And although Republicans want to keep the government open and running, and Democrats say they want the same, They sure aren't acting like it because by denouncing the House bill, Harry Reid has already said that he is willing to shut down the government to save face for the president and to defend a failed law.

So if the Senate fails to defund Obamacare , it will be the fault of the Democrats. And if the government has to shut down, it will also be the fault of the Democrats. So pray tell me if it is more important for the Democrats to save face for the president and to defend a failed law, rather than see our government continue to operate? How can any elected American leader put more value on the president saving face than keeping the government running? Or even defending a failed bill that he c***ted and helped to ram through before anyone had a chance to read it?

Can anyone, in any degree of intelligence, defend this man's honesty to the nation?
Last week, House Republicans passed legislation th... (show quote)

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Sep 26, 2013 23:25:09   #
carolyn
 
bmac32 wrote:
Democrats are banking on the Republicans will be blamed as I'm sure you know. Democrats are also banking on the American citizen isn't paying attention but with Cruz on every channel that probably won't be the case. Even the NYT had the republicans didn't want government shut down just ObamaCare cut off from funding. Harry will go down this his ship afire rather than give.


I also believe that open-minded American people will never be fooled by lying Democrats who are already trying to blame Republicans for trying to shut down the government. These slum-bags have gotten away with this type of "dirty pool" for so long that it is all they know how to play. And they have not been smart enough to realize that after awhile everything they say will be cause for doubt. I know that everyone in our circle, both Democrats and Republican alike, check anything they hear Obummer say before they discuss it. And after Pelosi and Reid pushed Obamacare through, as they did, there are few that will even discuss them without first calling them "liars and crooks."

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Sep 26, 2013 23:30:43   #
bmac32 Loc: West Florida
 
Believe the Republicans learn last time, the media will twist it always in favor of the democrats. FOX was the new kid on the block and didn't carry much weight but now that FOX leads all networks at least the true t***h will be out there.


carolyn wrote:
I also believe that open-minded American people will never be fooled by lying Democrats who are already trying to blame Republicans for trying to shut down the government. These slum-bags have gotten away with this type of "dirty pool" for so long that it is all they know how to play. And they have not been smart enough to realize that after awhile everything they say will be cause for doubt. I know that everyone in our circle, both Democrats and Republican alike, check anything they hear Obummer say before they discuss it. And after Pelosi and Reid pushed Obamacare through, as they did, there are few that will even discuss them without first calling them "liars and crooks."
I also believe that open-minded American people wi... (show quote)

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Sep 26, 2013 23:33:04   #
UncleJesse Loc: Hazzard Co, GA
 
carolyn wrote:

Can anyone, in any degree of intelligence, defend this man's honesty to the nation?


They see attaching obamacare defunding to the spending bill as a desperate trick that has never been done in the history of the nation. With other republicans in the senate agreeing with them, that is their intelligent defense. What will the Tea Party do next? The hot potato will be dropped in their lap at the 11th hour to either pass a senate bill without the obamacare defunding provision or shut down government. Then the blame will go along with the Tea Party decision in the house.

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Sep 26, 2013 23:43:39   #
carolyn
 
UncleJesse wrote:
They see attaching obamacare defunding to the spending bill as a desperate trick that has never been done in the history of the nation. With other republicans in the senate agreeing with them, that is their intelligent defense. What will the Tea Party do next? The hot potato will be dropped in their lap at the 11th hour to either pass a senate bill without the obamacare defunding provision or shut down government. Then the blame will go along with the Tea Party decision in the house.


I really don't think the majority will blame anyone but the Democrat Party if the government is shut down. And if it is shut down, I don't believe it will be for long because as soon the Democrats realize the nation isn't listening to their lies anymore, they will agree to defund Obamacare, with or without the blessing of their Master Muslim.

That's just my opinion, of course. But it is also the opinion of many that were fooled by Democratic lies in the past.

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Sep 26, 2013 23:47:48   #
katz Loc: washington
 
bmac32 wrote:
Democrats are banking on the Republicans will be blamed as I'm sure you know. Democrats are also banking on the American citizen isn't paying attention but with Cruz on every channel that probably won't be the case. Even the NYT had the republicans didn't want government shut down just ObamaCare cut off from funding. Harry will go down this his ship afire rather than give.

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Sep 27, 2013 01:05:21   #
badmikiev
 
bmac32 wrote:
Democrats are banking on the Republicans will be blamed as I'm sure you know. Democrats are also banking on the American citizen isn't paying attention but with Cruz on every channel that probably won't be the case. Even the NYT had the republicans didn't want government shut down just ObamaCare cut off from funding. Harry will go down this his ship afire rather than give.


I'll one up you on that. The Democrats or the Republicans cannot 'blame' either side. This did not just 'happen'. It has SLOWLY been forming over the entire 200 years we have been a nation. You cannot blame the last puppet in the white house, or any of them. The only ones who pushed against this 'grain' that has become the way things are, got assassinated. Or in Reagen's case, just mimed up. I guess that was a warning, I guess. Although I don't remember what he did to warrant it.

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Sep 27, 2013 03:26:01   #
octive9
 
If the Republicans want to repeal something, they should repeal the Controlled Substance Act. It costs billions of dollars, ruins millions of lives and has corrupted government at all levels.

Reality check: Obamacare is a law and it will not be repealed or delayed. If the Republicans want to do some good over it, here is something they could do:

Part of Obamacare says that insurance companies must spend at least 80% of the funds they collect on actual health care. They should draft a bill that would force all government entitlement programs to do the same. The last I heard entitlement programs typicality spend less than 30% in actual benefits. That would save billions and billions of dollars and get rid of a lot of corruption.

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Sep 27, 2013 03:59:11   #
Voice of Reason Loc: Earth
 
bmac32 wrote:
Believe the Republicans learn last time, the media will twist it always in favor of the democrats. FOX was the new kid on the block and didn't carry much weight but now that FOX leads all networks at least the true t***h will be out there.


While I agree with what the Republicans are trying to do, I don't believe for a minute that the American public won't blame them for a shutdown. Yes, Fox News will tell the t***h, but even the most popular show on Fox, O'Reilly, only has about 3 million viewers. That's less than 1% of the population.

The majority of the population gets their news from l*****t newspapers and the l*****t broadcast networks, ABC, NBC, CBS and PBS. You know all of those sources will be blaming the Republicans and most people, as usual, will believe them.

What can be done? Take a lesson from the l*****ts. Write to every company that advertises in those newspapers and on those networks and tell them you will not buy their products while they support those networks. Don't watch those networks (yes, that means football, too) and don't buy those papers. Stop going to theaters showing Hollywood movies and stop renting them.

Write to the networks and your local carriers, telling them you will refuse to watch until they stop being the propaganda wing of the DNC. In the case of PBS, write them and tell them you will stop donating. When their bottom lines are affected, they will change but not until then.

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Sep 27, 2013 04:02:09   #
Miss Brandi
 
carolyn wrote:
Last week, House Republicans passed legislation that defunds Obamacare while keeping the government open and running. And although Republicans want to keep the government open and running, and Democrats say they want the same, They sure aren't acting like it because by denouncing the House bill, Harry Reid has already said that he is willing to shut down the government to save face for the president and to defend a failed law.

So if the Senate fails to defund Obamacare , it will be the fault of the Democrats. And if the government has to shut down, it will also be the fault of the Democrats. So pray tell me if it is more important for the Democrats to save face for the president and to defend a failed law, rather than see our government continue to operate? How can any elected American leader put more value on the president saving face than keeping the government running? Or even defending a failed bill that he c***ted and helped to ram through before anyone had a chance to read it?

Can anyone, in any degree of intelligence, defend this man's honesty to the nation?
Last week, House Republicans passed legislation th... (show quote)


A resounding....NOPE!

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Sep 27, 2013 04:24:42   #
carolyn
 
octive9 wrote:
If the Republicans want to repeal something, they should repeal the Controlled Substance Act. It costs billions of dollars, ruins millions of lives and has corrupted government at all levels.

Reality check: Obamacare is a law and it will not be repealed or delayed. If the Republicans want to do some good over it, here is something they could do:

Part of Obamacare says that insurance companies must spend at least 80% of the funds they collect on actual health care. They should draft a bill that would force all government entitlement programs to do the same. The last I heard entitlement programs typicality spend less than 30% in actual benefits. That would save billions and billions of dollars and get rid of a lot of corruption.
If the Republicans want to repeal something, they ... (show quote)


Reality check says it can be overcome, and if the one's responsible for this illegal bill would be brought to task for it, it can certainly be defunded. All we need is for the v**ers to start paying a little more attention to who they v**e for to change this country by next year. But when you have people who take everything that the Democrat controlled media reports as gospel, we will have a screwed up country.

I cannot understand why some people can tell you who is running in what position in the sports circle, but cannot tell you a thing about any candidate that is running for e******n to run our country. And the internet has everything on each and every candidate to show them why some candidates should not be elected for garbage collector. If they has checked Obama's very limited political resume', they would have seen that the only thing he had going for him is the fact that he was black and so many wanted to be politically correct in v****g for the first black man for president.

And that was all the man had going for him. Check and see for yourselves.

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Sep 27, 2013 07:11:40   #
AnnMarie Loc: Madison, Wi
 
carolyn wrote:
Last week, House Republicans passed legislation that defunds Obamacare while keeping the government open and running. And although Republicans want to keep the government open and running, and Democrats say they want the same, They sure aren't acting like it because by denouncing the House bill, Harry Reid has already said that he is willing to shut down the government to save face for the president and to defend a failed law.

So if the Senate fails to defund Obamacare , it will be the fault of the Democrats. And if the government has to shut down, it will also be the fault of the Democrats. So pray tell me if it is more important for the Democrats to save face for the president and to defend a failed law, rather than see our government continue to operate? How can any elected American leader put more value on the president saving face than keeping the government running? Or even defending a failed bill that he c***ted and helped to ram through before anyone had a chance to read it?

Can anyone, in any degree of intelligence, defend this man's honesty to the nation?
Last week, House Republicans passed legislation th... (show quote)


OK, let me get this straight-if the Democrats do not agree to 100% of the Republican's (and remember the repugs LOST the e******n) demands to defund Obamacare, which Obama RAN on and WON, it will be the fault of the democrats, the party that did win.

I don't think anyone but the tea party would agree with that assessment, and currently the tea party is polling at 22%. It would be political suicide for the repugs to shut down the government. The last time they did it, they suffered at the polls.

When someone won't compromise at all, it is all the fault of the side that refuses to give them 100% of what they want? Don't think so.

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Sep 27, 2013 07:15:43   #
AnnMarie Loc: Madison, Wi
 
octive9 wrote:
If the Republicans want to repeal something, they should repeal the Controlled Substance Act. It costs billions of dollars, ruins millions of lives and has corrupted government at all levels.

Reality check: Obamacare is a law and it will not be repealed or delayed. If the Republicans want to do some good over it, here is something they could do:

Part of Obamacare says that insurance companies must spend at least 80% of the funds they collect on actual health care. They should draft a bill that would force all government entitlement programs to do the same. The last I heard entitlement programs typicality spend less than 30% in actual benefits. That would save billions and billions of dollars and get rid of a lot of corruption.
If the Republicans want to repeal something, they ... (show quote)


Medicare spends only 5% on admistrative costs, and 95% on benefits. We should have had single payer-it would have saved us 15% on every healthcare dollar spent.

Sorry, Medicare is MORE effective than Obamacare.

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