crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island

The Coming Federal-State Confrontation



Numerous state governors are stating that they will not accept Syrian refugees. President Barack H. Obama is threatening to withhold federal funds. The question that should immediately be asked is how many federal funds? Will it be just the funds related to the immediate program or all federal funds, including highway, Medicaid, etc?

The next question that will likely never be asked is why does the federal government have such an immense reservoir of funds? No progressive will even ask it nor answer it nor for that matter will most Republicans. They are all addicted the same way.

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

More states should refuse federal funds and stand on their own. When you take funds from someone you owe them. Unless of course you are a welfare rat.

crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island

OK but my concern is that the feds even have the money in the first place.
The states should be pointing out and the people should know that this is a case of the tail wagging the dog. The federal government should be less important in our day to day lives than the state governments.

bmac32 Loc: West Florida

The way the system is set up it's very hard for a state to stand on their own. Taxes would need to be raised across the board or a great many services would need to be cut. Some of those funds were paid by people in PA, NY, FL, UT and should go back to those people.

Gener

The argument over states rights versus Federal unity has gone on since the inception of this country. The rule is that Fed law trumps state law. But that should be true only up to a point. I am old and have forgotten a lot of the things I have learned over the years about this issue. Those who know constitutional law well, I would like to hear about the arguments that have been made over the centuries. The problem with centralization of power is that the citizens lose more and more say.

But there is even a bigger issue looming. That is, who has the power, the country, or the U.N. President Obama has argued in a few cases that congress is irrelevant, the U.N. makes the rules. It has also been argued that treaties with the U.N. overrule our constitution. You can see here that there is an even greater centralization of power and it is quite concerning. Power should remain with the people, and the more local the better. However, there is a need for unity as well. But unity that is forced?

As was stated above, he who pays the Piper calls the tune. We were asleep when we allowed the Feds to usurp all the power and pay the states for everything because now they are calling the tune, and if we don't do what they say, no more sugar daddy.

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

Preaching to the quire. I agree wholeheartedly.

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

There would definitely be some pain. Wouldn't it be nice if all entities really had to live within their means?

crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island

Hey Jflorio, Gener & bmac32,
This is thedebate that should be going on and I just achieved my goal. I think I know some answers but am not sure but maybe if we start we can find some.

okie don

The only State that might be able to succeed from the Union is Texas.
They asked for their Gold back but to my knowledge were turned down.
Someone told me years ago that their Constitution is such that they could seceede.?

Gener

As I understand it, after the civil war, the feds did not want to continue to tangle with Texas as that would be a longer and more dangerous war to deal with. So they gave Texas in theory at least the right to secede. However, I am not sure that that is exactly the way it happened. Many history lessons I have forgotten over the years.

okie don

Gener,
We lived in San Antonio 10 years but I didn't attend school there so really don't know the history either.
As you say, there is something in they're Constitution I've heard...
There's oil( energy)there. Plenty of cattle, farmland. Good climate etc. They are in ideal shape to make it from what I've read...

bmac32 Loc: West Florida

We would have no pain living within our means but many would right in this area. Ever seen someone have a pool installed and then they refused to make payment, the pool installed got a court order and removed the guys pool, nice large hole in the back yard.

2bltap Loc: Move to the Mainland

if thats the case then obama should provide the exact amount of
money AND OR PERCENTIDGE that these states have given to the fed through the taxes ethey pay. the money belongs to the people in these states so and supposedly spent for the benefit of the american population. once this is done let the ahole in chief cut what he wants like all the liberal progressive programs they love so much. i dont think those who recieve those benefits will like obama and his temper tantrums after thaT SO MUCH WHEN THEY START LOSING ALL THAT FREE STUFF

sorry my keyboard is having a coniption fit these days

SEMPER FI

rebob14

Jefferson said the States were a "confederation of sovereign entities" and that the fed gov't existed for the purpose of protecting the smaller states from the larger and all the states from foreign aggression.

fedupfucker

All a state has to do is tell people in the state is to pay any tax owed to the feds to the state.And that Muslim piece of s**t is screwed