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Nov 27, 2015 03:18:01   #
fiatlux
 
RWNJ wrote:
Why should I bother debunking something that is not true?


Here is why. I was out to dinner with my extended family: my older brother, his wife and two children, my dad, and my younger brother and his wife and one child. It gradually became apparent to all that my daughter was not eating her vegetable, lima beans, and that I should say something. She had never seen a lima bean: the one veggie I did not like. Nonetheless, I felt forced to at least encourage the veggie I had not even touched. "Sweetie," I said, ""Why not try that vegetable?" She said, "I don't like it." In perfect logic, I responded, "How do you know you don't like if you have not tried it?"

And she replied in your nonsensical way but in her cute for a four year old way, "Why would I try something I don't like?" "Why should I bother debunking something that is not true?" Infantile or dopey?

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Nov 27, 2015 03:40:48   #
RWNJ
 
fiatlux wrote:
Here is why. I was out to dinner with my extended family: my older brother, his wife and two children, my dad, and my younger brother and his wife and one child. It gradually became apparent to all that my daughter was not eating her vegetable, lima beans, and that I should say something. She had never seen a lima bean: the one veggie I did not like. Nonetheless, I felt forced to at least encourage the veggie I had not even touched. "Sweetie," I said, ""Why not try that vegetable?" She said, "I don't like it." In perfect logic, I responded, "How do you know you don't like if you have not tried it?"

And she replied in your nonsensical way but in her cute for a four year old way, "Why would I try something I don't like?" "Why should I bother debunking something that is not true?" Infantile or dopey?
Here is why. I was out to dinner with my extended ... (show quote)

There is nothing to debunk. There is no scientific proof that it even happened. If you could show some evidence, I'd be more than happy to educate you as to how it is wrong.

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Nov 27, 2015 03:47:30   #
fiatlux
 
RWNJ wrote:
There is nothing to debunk. There is no scientific proof that it even happened. If you could show some evidence, I'd be more than happy to educate you as to how it is wrong.


The point is, you do not have any way of knowing this unless you attempt to debunk it. This is pure and unadulterated COMMON SENSE. Is not/Is too is childish playground immaturity, which you seem to embrace.

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Nov 27, 2015 04:28:28   #
RWNJ
 
fiatlux wrote:
The point is, you do not have any way of knowing this unless you attempt to debunk it. This is pure and unadulterated COMMON SENSE. Is not/Is too is childish playground immaturity, which you seem to embrace.


I asked you for evidence of evolution happening. Do you have any?

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Nov 27, 2015 04:54:56   #
fiatlux
 
RWNJ wrote:
I asked you for evidence of evolution happening. Do you have any?


Yes, my argument is better than yours. Thus, I descended from a primate and you from an order of armadillo.

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Nov 27, 2015 04:59:06   #
RWNJ
 
fiatlux wrote:
Yes, my argument is better than yours. Thus, I descended from a primate and you from an order of armadillo.


So you have no evidence.

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Nov 27, 2015 05:23:48   #
karpenter Loc: Headin' Fer Da Hills !!
 
fiatlux wrote:
And you have personally proven Evolutionary Theory is wrong, all its observation erroneous?
DNA Does
It Can't Evolve Itself Into Existence

Here's Some Questions From Another Thread, In Case You Missed It
http://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/tpr?p=1284156&t=56991

Quote:
Would you care to expand?
In The Beginning There Was A Molten Ball Of Rock
(No Organic Life Can Live In Molten Rock, BTW...)
Then 'PRESTO' !!
DNA Just 'POPPED' Itself Into Existence In It's Complete Perfect Form !!
It Magically Turned Cold Lifeless Rock Into Organic Life
...And Here We All Are !!

Plausible....Perfectly Plausible...

Actually, The Current Theory Is Life Blew In From Outer Space
But That Still Doesn't Explain The Origin Of Life

Does It ??

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Nov 27, 2015 08:14:20   #
Lumpy
 
If bats' i****e s****m is so much better than mine, why is Geomyces k*****g them, but not us? Any theories on that, Einstein?

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Nov 27, 2015 08:25:30   #
reconreb Loc: America / Inglis Fla.
 
SamDawkins wrote:
At least you admit you cannot answer the question. Thank you for your honesty.

If it can be asserted without evidence,it can be dismissed without evidence.


Well Sam, belive what you will , and may God bless you .. Hows that for evidence ?

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Nov 27, 2015 09:47:55   #
Tyster
 
SamDawkins wrote:
At least you admit you cannot answer the question. Thank you for your honesty.

If it can be asserted without evidence,it can be dismissed without evidence.


I didn't say there was no evidence...just not the type that you are demanding. You seek to prove something based on evidence of a type that is foreign to the entity. The fact that whales (mammals) are not found on land does not equate that they don't exist. The fact that you won't find a lion in the middle of the Pacific Ocean does not equal that lions do not exist. This is what you are doing... because we cannot demonstrate physical proof of God, you assume He doesn't exist. And you do know what happens when you assume.

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Nov 27, 2015 10:34:18   #
Artemis
 
Tyster wrote:
I didn't say there was no evidence...just not the type that you are demanding. You seek to prove something based on evidence of a type that is foreign to the entity. The fact that whales (mammals) are not found on land does not equate that they don't exist. The fact that you won't find a lion in the middle of the Pacific Ocean does not equal that lions do not exist. This is what you are doing... because we cannot demonstrate physical proof of God, you assume He doesn't exist. And you do know what happens when you assume.
I didn't say there was no evidence...just not the ... (show quote)


I believe it is the perception of God that is at the core of the issue, but wh**ever one believes it is his own and should not feel he needs to defend it to anyone.

A better question might be what is God? I don't believe it is any entity that simulates a singular all powerful one waving his magic wand to any changes he sees fit according to his judgments.

Science is fact along with theories, while faith is intuitive and unseen yet unexplainable fact. Maybe we can work on those together and not be so d******e in thought.

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Nov 27, 2015 10:43:41   #
DamnYANKEE
 
SamDawkins wrote:
http://rosarubicondior.blogspot.com/



FRIDAY, 27 NOVEMBER 2015

Does God Like Bats But H**e The Rest of Us?
The evolution of bat nucleic acid-sensing Toll-like receptors - Escalera-Zamudio - 2015 - Molecular Ecology - Wiley Online Library

Here is today's embarrassing question for creationists. Does your hypothetical intelligent designer favour bats and h**e the rest of us?

The reason you need to answer this is because a paper published today shows that bats have a better i****e s****m than other mammals. I'm assuming that creationists only believe in one intelligent designer and not millions of competing intelligent designers all closely guarding their designs and refusing to share.

So, if this supposed intelligent designer can design a better i****e s****m for bats, why did it design a lesser one for the rest of us? Of course, this ignores considerations about why an i****e s****m is needed at all and why a benevolent god would have designed parasites from which an i****e s****m tries to protect us but that's a different issue. I have never managed to find a creationist with the honesty, integrity and courage to tackle the question of there parasites fit in a perfect world designed by a perfect and maximally benevolent designer so I doubt I'll get one now.

So, let's just concentrate on why this supposed designer gave bats a better i****e s****m.

The paper was published in Molecular Ecology by an international team lead by Marina Escalera-Zamudio from the Department of Wildlife Diseases, Leibniz Institute for Zoo and Wildlife Research, Berlin, Germany. It shows that bats have a much more efficient system of Toll-like Receptors (TLRs). TLRs are considered to be the first-line defense against pathogens and recognise a wide range of pathogenic molecular signatures.

Bats exhibit traits unique amongst mammals, such as flight, and across different species they have an exceptional breadth in diet, a result of their long-term adaptation to a wide variety of environments and ecological niches. These niches also have specific pathogen profiles which are likely to have shaped the evolution of the bat TLRs in an order-specific manner.

Marina Escalera-Zamudio
Regrettably, the paper published by John Wiley & Sons, Inc. is copyright protected and, although the abstract is available online, permission to reprint it is closely guarded. If I obtain this permission I will reprint it here. Meanwhile one can only hope for the day when all scientific research is freely available and accessible to all.

What this finding suggests is an answer to the problem of why bats seem to act as a reservoir species for some pathogens like rabies which can be t***smitted by a bat bite but from which bats appear to be immune. Bats have also recently been implicated as a reservoir species for ebola.

So, from an intelligent design perspective, it's hard not to conclude that such an intelligent designer is not favouring bats by designing a superior i****e s****m for them but deliberately withholding this new, improved design from other mammals, including its supposed favourite species, and what it created all the others for, humans.

Would any creationist like to deal with this question, or is it to be the usual avoidance of these difficult questions yet again whilst pretending the intelligent design notion is the best available explanation of the way things are?

Reference:
Escalera-Zamudio, M., Zepeda-Mendoza, M. L., Loza-Rubio, E., Rojas-Anaya, E., Méndez-Ojeda, M. L., Arias, C. F. and Greenwood, A. D. (2015), The evolution of bat nucleic acid-sensing Toll-like receptors. Mol Ecol, 24: 5899–5909. doi:10.1111/mec.13431
http://rosarubicondior.blogspot.com/ br br br b... (show quote)


I***TIC QUESTION FROM AN I***TIC LEBTURD TROLL :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

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Nov 27, 2015 10:47:00   #
DamnYANKEE
 
SamDawkins wrote:
You are currently communicating with me thanks to science.


heres one for ya , brain child ... splain to all of us , the eye . scientists do that too .. i***t maggot

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Nov 27, 2015 10:55:41   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
Bats may fly but they can't go supersonic, fly to the moon or Mars like the brain of man, given by God, has enabled him to do. And before the fall man was immortal and would not have experienced death. What need had he then of a bats i****e s****m? Mankind is still immortal but death must now be experienced before rebirth. So, Sam, like it or not, you, too, will continue into eternity, eternal bliss or eternal hell. Isn't it lovely to be able to choose? Let us return to mankind before the fall, a time when man had d******n over the earth.

Jesus was fully Man and fully God. However, His humanity was perfect humanity as was Adam's prior to the fall.
The bat possessed nothing superior to man before the fall. When Jesus walked on water and calmed the storm it is probable He was able to do this in His perfect humanity, having d******n over the earth. The apostle Peter (Petros, the Rock in Greek) was also able (one brief time) to walk on water but only as long as he kept his sight and full attention on Jesus. As soon as he took his eyes off Him, had doubts, got scared, he did exactly what science and gravity says happens to a rock tossed into water.

That superior brain God gave man was given to us so that we could understand and know His existence. But He also gave us that choice.

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Nov 27, 2015 10:57:04   #
Theo Loc: Within 1000 miles of Tampa, Florida
 
SamDawkins wrote:
http://rosarubicondior.blogspot.com/

FRIDAY, 27 NOVEMBER 2015

Does God Like Bats But H**e The Rest of Us?
The evolution of bat nucleic acid-sensing Toll-like receptors - Escalera-Zamudio - 2015 - Molecular Ecology - Wiley Online Library

Here is today's embarrassing question for creationists. Does your hypothetical intelligent designer favour bats and h**e the rest of us?

The reason you need to answer this is because a paper published today shows that bats have a better i****e s****m than other mammals. I'm assuming that creationists only believe in one intelligent designer and not millions of competing intelligent designers all closely guarding their designs and refusing to share.

So, if this supposed intelligent designer can design a better i****e s****m for bats, why did it design a lesser one for the rest of us? Of course, this ignores considerations about why an i****e s****m is needed at all and why a benevolent god would have designed parasites from which an i****e s****m tries to protect us but that's a different issue. I have never managed to find a creationist with the honesty, integrity and courage to tackle the question of there parasites fit in a perfect world designed by a perfect and maximally benevolent designer so I doubt I'll get one now.

So, let's just concentrate on why this supposed designer gave bats a better i****e s****m.

The paper was published in Molecular Ecology by an international team lead by Marina Escalera-Zamudio from the Department of Wildlife Diseases, Leibniz Institute for Zoo and Wildlife Research, Berlin, Germany. It shows that bats have a much more efficient system of Toll-like Receptors (TLRs). TLRs are considered to be the first-line defense against pathogens and recognise a wide range of pathogenic molecular signatures.

Bats exhibit traits unique amongst mammals, such as flight, and across different species they have an exceptional breadth in diet, a result of their long-term adaptation to a wide variety of environments and ecological niches. These niches also have specific pathogen profiles which are likely to have shaped the evolution of the bat TLRs in an order-specific manner.

Marina Escalera-Zamudio
Regrettably, the paper published by John Wiley & Sons, Inc. is copyright protected and, although the abstract is available online, permission to reprint it is closely guarded. If I obtain this permission I will reprint it here. Meanwhile one can only hope for the day when all scientific research is freely available and accessible to all.

What this finding suggests is an answer to the problem of why bats seem to act as a reservoir species for some pathogens like rabies which can be t***smitted by a bat bite but from which bats appear to be immune. Bats have also recently been implicated as a reservoir species for ebola.

So, from an intelligent design perspective, it's hard not to conclude that such an intelligent designer is not favouring bats by designing a superior i****e s****m for them but deliberately withholding this new, improved design from other mammals, including its supposed favourite species, and what it created all the others for, humans.

Would any creationist like to deal with this question, or is it to be the usual avoidance of these difficult questions yet again whilst pretending the intelligent design notion is the best available explanation of the way things are?

Reference:
Escalera-Zamudio, M., Zepeda-Mendoza, M. L., Loza-Rubio, E., Rojas-Anaya, E., Méndez-Ojeda, M. L., Arias, C. F. and Greenwood, A. D. (2015), The evolution of bat nucleic acid-sensing Toll-like receptors. Mol Ecol, 24: 5899–5909. doi:10.1111/mec.13431
http://rosarubicondior.blogspot.com/ br br FRIDAY... (show quote)


You are 100% correct. It IS an embarrassing question. Are you blushing yet? YOU are the one who should be embarrassed, for even considering such an attempt to belittle the Creator of all.

Have you ever read the bible?

Don't you know, God created , looked at his creation and concluded it was all "very good?"

Don't you know Man sinned?

Bats didn't!

Don't you know God cursed the earth because of Man's sins, not "Bat's" sins?

Did you know base cattle have sharper horns than Men?

Tigers have sharper claws?

Mosquitoes have sharper proboscis?

Dogs have sharper teeth?

Octopi have more arms?

Eagles have better eyesight?

Mice have better Hearing?

And Bats have better i****e s****ms?

And when all is said and done, "The spirit of the beast returns to the earth, and the spirit of Man returns to God who gave it."


Ecclesiastes 3:21 Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?
Ecclesiastes 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

WoW!
someone hasn't done their homework.

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