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Nov 14, 2015 21:20:09   #
jelun
 
What a shame that so many who tweet in response to the ugliness of the Paris attack, the murder of 29 people and injury of so many more think that means that our freedom of speech and our ability to feel secure in our immediate environment should be curtailed.

Many claim that part of the reason for the home grown terrorism in Europe is due to those who are Muslim being disenfranchised and marginalized so why would we think that doing that to young people here would be a sensible tack? Inclusion and respect is what is needed not reverting to some false separate but equal stance.

Not all of the conservative tweeters concluded that US college students must restrict their freedoms due to the violence in France but too many did.

http://www.salon.com/2015/11/13/as_paris_carnage_unfolds_conservatives_lash_out_at_obama_immigrants_and_college_students/

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Nov 16, 2015 16:03:38   #
Dummy Boy Loc: Michigan
 
jelun wrote:
What a shame that so many who tweet in response to the ugliness of the Paris attack, the murder of 29 people and injury of so many more think that means that our freedom of speech and our ability to feel secure in our immediate environment should be curtailed.

Many claim that part of the reason for the home grown terrorism in Europe is due to those who are Muslim being disenfranchised and marginalized so why would we think that doing that to young people here would be a sensible tack? Inclusion and respect is what is needed not reverting to some false separate but equal stance.

Not all of the conservative tweeters concluded that US college students must restrict their freedoms due to the violence in France but too many did.

http://www.salon.com/2015/11/13/as_paris_carnage_unfolds_conservatives_lash_out_at_obama_immigrants_and_college_students/
What a shame that so many who tweet in response to... (show quote)


I have strong willed child, I don't center my life around his needs...he centers them around my needs or he doesn't get to eat, or have nice place to sleep.

Why in the world would any group that doesn't feel included resort to killing people to shout, "I'm here, include me, or I'll kill you."

I don't like the French, but I don't go around killing them, I IGNORE them.

That's like robbing a bank and blaming the bank for having money in the vault, I wouldn't have robbed you if you wouldn't have had the money.

Just how far does any society have to bend over to make someone feel inclusive: oh, that's right, Europe must become a caliphate for them to feel comfortable. I'm sure the American Indian appreciates that view as well.

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Nov 16, 2015 16:34:23   #
jelun
 
When I talk about being disenfranchised and marginalized I am not really concerned with someone feeling liked or included. It is about impotence and inability to provide those meals and/or a place to sleep.

Your comparison between the Muslims in France and your family might be borne out if one figures that your attitude is about one member having to act in subservience to "the master". There are, I hear, many in France who consider Muslims as less than Europeans. Sounds a bit like your family, doesn't it?
Teens in a family may stop short of murder,they surely do rebel even though they love the people making them comply to get a meal.

Dummy Boy wrote:
I have strong willed child, I don't center my life around his needs...he centers them around my needs or he doesn't get to eat, or have nice place to sleep.

Why in the world would any group that doesn't feel included resort to killing people to shout, "I'm here, include me, or I'll kill you."

I don't like the French, but I don't go around killing them, I IGNORE
them.


It is a bit easier to ignore someone if they are not living on your streets.

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That's like robbing a bank and blaming the bank for having money in the vault, I wouldn't have robbed you if you wouldn't have had the money.

Just how far does any society have to bend over to make someone feel inclusive: oh, that's right, Europe must become a caliphate for them to feel comfortable. I'm sure the American Indian appreciates that view as well.


People need to have options, people need to have opportunities, it doesn't really matter whether it is young people of color in the US or in Europe.
By any means necessary.

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