The United States government will fail. What should it be replaced with? (Page 6): And so now the thread is hijacked and it comes down to a brawl. Is this how all intelligent...

runzwsissors Loc: Calhoun, GA

And so now the thread is hijacked and it comes down to a brawl. Is this how all intelligent conversation is k**led on this site?

Flyinhoss Loc: Texas

Another JFK quote? How 'bout a Jimmy Carter, or a "pass me a Blue Ribbon", Billy quote. If your going to quote crappy liberals, at least change them up and try to stay with those that didn't c***t on their wives.

Floyd Brown wrote:

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Raylan Wolfe Loc: earth

Flyinhoss wrote:

Another JFK quote? How 'bout a Jimmy Carter, or a "pass me a Blue Ribbon", Billy quote. If your going to quote crappy liberals, at least change them up and try to stay with those that didn't c***t on their wives.

"There is no such thing as a bad beer. It's that some just taste better than others." Guess Who!

Flyinhoss Loc: Texas

Uhhh, Billy Carter? SWAG, of course!

Raylan Wolfe wrote:

"There is no such thing as a bad beer. It's that some just taste better than others." Guess Who!

Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI

runzwsissors wrote:

And how do you propose we change them when you have bad and worse to v**e for?

AS long as people like us sit & run down one party & the other
There will be no progress. Government is bought & paid for by big money Things will only changed when the average persons on the street can agree on the problem & point to the real problem.

I am a conservative by nature but liberal in my views on how to make life better for the most of us. I am not looking for the government for any special favors.

What seems to be at the core of most of our disagreements is what one party or the other does for special interests.

All I ask for is a cut back & an end to all special favors for special interests. Some that you may like & some you would be for.

runzwsissors Loc: Calhoun, GA

Floyd Brown wrote:

AS long as people like us sit & run down one p... (show quote)

This is precisely why we should abandon the two party system. That could be done if we draft our congressmen.

Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI

runzwsissors wrote:

This is precisely why we should abandon the two party system. That could be done if we draft our congressmen.

I believe that most of us on this site are middle class.

Have a little more that some & a lot less than others

As more money flows to the few & there is less with the poor. With the money flow going to the top increasing more & more is coming from the middle.

I am willing to pay my share, but as my share keeps increasing I will have less to give.

I would say that applies to most of us.

While the poor get from us we must look around & note
where the money is really ending up.

I say if the poor have more to start with we will not lose as much & perhaps have some left over.

Just maybe raising the minimum wage would ease a lot of problems.

bmac32 Loc: West Florida

More wages is a nice idea but there's problems with that. As wages go up so does everything else and those who didn't get that raise are now even further behind. The government's 2% inflation is a joke on everyone, that 2% won't even cover food let alone anything else.

When people receive without working they don't appericate it and they demand more. Work, why work they receive more to stay home and now their free to do wh**ever they want.

Floyd Brown wrote:

I believe that most of us on this site are middle ... (show quote)

claytonln Loc: Kansas

L.E. Liesner wrote:

What's wrong with going back to a Constitutional R... (show quote)

rolling back the the government we have would be my first choice. I think most Americans would have a hard time dealing with anything else. At heart I think even the liberal Democrats have bit of republican in them.
what needs to be done is for the states to call a constitutional convention. It would take 36 states to make this happen at that time the constitution could be amended to it original form. This would include term limits for congress. That would be a good start.

Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI

bmac32 wrote:

More wages is a nice idea but there's problems with that. As wages go up so does everything else and those who didn't get that raise are now even further behind. The government's 2% inflation is a joke on everyone, that 2% won't even cover food let alone anything else.

When people receive without working they don't appericate it and they demand more. Work, why work they receive more to stay home and now their free to do wh**ever they want.

The means of production have been taken away from the masses in the miss guided idea that progress is good.

To see what that means take a look at history. First off is look at what s***ery & colonization as done to the world. Also look at the reason for the American Revolution.

If you think the revolution was a good idea then are there any of the same things like that happening now.
Perhaps the money class here bares some likeness to England in the 17 hundreds.

claytonln Loc: Kansas

L.E. Liesner wrote:

There are term limits on our government officials,... (show quote)

one term in the house, one term in the senate your done. that is the way it was in the beginning and they didn't get paid for it either, there was no healthcare or retirement. Now I think you get 2 terms in both, that would be 12 years in the senate and 8 more in the house.
that is not good for the people. That is how we ended up where we are today.

bmac32 Loc: West Florida

Agree. No one needs to be making a carrer out of being in DC.

claytonln wrote:

one term in the house, one term in the senate your done. that is the way it was in the beginning and they didn't get paid for it either, there was no healthcare or retirement. Now I think you get 2 terms in both, that would be 12 years in the senate and 8 more in the house.
that is not good for the people. That is how we ended up where we are today.

Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI

claytonln wrote:

one term in the house, one term in the senate your done. that is the way it was in the beginning and they didn't get paid for it either, there was no healthcare or retirement. Now I think you get 2 terms in both, that would be 12 years in the senate and 8 more in the house.
that is not good for the people. That is how we ended up where we are today.

I think that the best thing that could be done is to make each bill include only that which is pertinent to the context of the bill.
No more loading the bills with extra issues.

I would say if one was to look back at what has happened to us is not so much the original issues but all of the adding on to issues. The so called pork.

Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI

bmac32 wrote:

More wages is a nice idea but there's problems with that. As wages go up so does everything else and those who didn't get that raise are now even further behind. The government's 2% inflation is a joke on everyone, that 2% won't even cover food let alone anything else.

When people receive without working they don't appericate it and they demand more. Work, why work they receive more to stay home and now their free to do wh**ever they want.

I think you should look back at your mention of receiving money for not working.

Would that also apply to those that just chip there c**pons (Investment income) & at least pay tax on it at a fair rate.
Some bonds don't get taxed.

claytonln Loc: Kansas

Floyd Brown wrote:

I think that the best thing that could be done is to make each bill include only that which is pertinent to the context of the bill.
No more loading the bills with extra issues.

I would say if one was to look back at what has happened to us is not so much the original issues but all of the adding on to issues. The so called pork.

your right the smaller the bill the better they are easier to understand and read them.