The United States government will fail. What should it be replaced with?
Sep 20, 2013 12:33:25 #
alex
Loc: michigan now imperial beach californa
AuntiE wrote:
He has probably being doing flips in his grave over the Patriot Act, NDAA, and NSA.
"been" doing back flips
Sep 20, 2013 12:36:28 #
alex
Loc: michigan now imperial beach californa
Miss Brandi wrote:
So, how the hell do we motive the rest of "We the people" to do their duty and accept the responsibility of their poor choices?? How do we get the least common denominators of society to put down their crack pipes and weapons (v****g precincts are gun-free zones) long enough to go v**e?? Or learn something...anything about the people running for office. It's hard not to become disillusioned when you feel like you're fighting an uphill battle while standing in quicksand??
well one choice"not a good one" we could go back to only land owners can v**e
Sep 20, 2013 15:09:17 #
We have lost our republic and replaced it with mobocracy which will deteriorate to anarchy.
After the world completely rejects the Saviour, Jesus Christ and receives the false Christ, there will be seven terrible years followed by the return of Christ to rule for a thousand years with a rod of iron, followed by the final judgement of Christ rejectors and then eternity.
After the world completely rejects the Saviour, Jesus Christ and receives the false Christ, there will be seven terrible years followed by the return of Christ to rule for a thousand years with a rod of iron, followed by the final judgement of Christ rejectors and then eternity.
Sep 20, 2013 15:20:56 #
Remember back when Time declared Obama Christ like on their cover like many many others. Obama is the second coming for all liberals.
LAwrence wrote:
We have lost our republic and replaced it with mobocracy which will deteriorate to anarchy.
After the world completely rejects the Saviour, Jesus Christ and receives the false Christ, there will be seven terrible years followed by the return of Christ to rule for a thousand years with a rod of iron, followed by the final judgement of Christ rejectors and then eternity.
After the world completely rejects the Saviour, Jesus Christ and receives the false Christ, there will be seven terrible years followed by the return of Christ to rule for a thousand years with a rod of iron, followed by the final judgement of Christ rejectors and then eternity.
Sep 20, 2013 16:04:57 #
L.E. Liesner wrote:
What's wrong with going back to a Constitutional R... (show quote)
the one article i would change is the commerce clause ,it is the one that these politicans use to destroy our liberties and userp our states authority
Sep 20, 2013 16:09:48 #
alex wrote:
well one choice"not a good one" we could go back to only land owners can v**e
alex i think that is proper way to do it .why should wards of the state have a v**e
Sep 20, 2013 17:19:29 #
Flyinhoss
Loc: Texas
Ms. Brandi, it is my opinion, that our country's money will soon lose it's status as The World Reserve Currency and our bankruptcy will no longer be allowed to be "papered over", by printing more dollars. That, will then usher in hard times, that will dwarf todays joblessness, but it may present a window of opportunity to drastically cut back social programs, get rid of the Fed. and bring education back to the local level. Once, fiscal responsibility is restored, free markets can prosper and Socialism will be stiffled, we can get on with rebuilding our own nation, as the constitutional republic it was intended to be.
That, of course, is if the military will permit it... otherwise we will be embroiled in civil war, or worse, become s***es.
That, of course, is if the military will permit it... otherwise we will be embroiled in civil war, or worse, become s***es.
Sep 20, 2013 20:59:06 #
Voice of Reason
Loc: Earth
runzwsissors wrote:
What do all past government systems have in common... (show quote)
I started a topic similar to this several months ago. If your interested, check it out.
http://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-471-1.html
Sep 20, 2013 21:39:29 #
terrylm56
Loc: SW Missouri
L.E. Liesner wrote:
What's wrong with going back to a Constitutional R... (show quote)
I do not know how it could have been said any better than that!
Sep 20, 2013 21:53:27 #
terrylm56
Loc: SW Missouri
Voice of Reason wrote:
I started a topic similar to this several months ago. If your interested, check it out.
http://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-471-1.html
http://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-471-1.html
I think that there should TERM LIMITS on all elected officials the next go around if we do not correct it now. Also, the Lobbyists MUST GO, and CANNOT have any family members of elected officials. That is definitely a Conflict of Interest!
Sep 20, 2013 21:59:46 #
The average citizen can read and understand all of them. Just keeping lawyers out of the picture would be a big help. Anything they v**e for is to include them, no special nothing, they aren't special most just happened to have money before running.
L.E. Liesner wrote:
What's wrong with going back to a Constitutional R... (show quote)
Sep 20, 2013 22:40:31 #
L.E. Liesner wrote:
What's wrong with going back to a Constitutional R... (show quote)
My proposal above would be a constitutional republic. There would be an updated bill of rights and a constitution. There are problems with the system, however, that must be addressed. When I go to the poll, and I have a choice of a turd sandwich or a giant douche, it is really hard to not put someone into office that would disappoint. I believe south park hit it right on the head:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UthMHjoNyjA
By drafting our congress from the general populace, we can alleviate part of this problem. Will we still get some morons in our sampling? Yes, but it will better reflect the actual population than v****g in the better liar who is ambitious about getting into the position of power.
bmac32 wrote:
The average citizen can read and understand all of them. Just keeping lawyers out of the picture would be a big help. Anything they v**e for is to include them, no special nothing, they aren't special most just happened to have money before running.
terrylm56 wrote:
I think that there should TERM LIMITS on all elected officials the next go around if we do not correct it now. Also, the Lobbyists MUST GO, and CANNOT have any family members of elected officials. That is definitely a Conflict of Interest!
Please read my above post at the end of page one. I cover these issues. I believe it may have been overlooked, because I posted on the last of the page and someone immediately posted on the second page.
Sep 21, 2013 00:29:18 #
JQP
Loc: Earth To Heaven
"It is hard to read a newspaper, or watch a television newscast, without encountering someone who has come up with a new 'solution' to society's 'problems.' Sometimes it seems as if there are more solutions than there are problems. On closer scrutiny, it turns out that many of today's problems are a result of yesterday's solutions." --Economist Thomas Sowell
"It will be of little avail to the people, that the laws are made by men of their own choice, if the laws be so voluminous that they cannot be read, or so incoherent that they cannot be understood; if they be repealed or revised before they are promulgated, or undergo such incessant changes that no man, who knows what the law is to-day, can guess what it will be to-morrow." --James Madison
There is a higher law to which mankind must answer, a law that supersedes any laws of men. It is this higher law, supposedly recognized by this country's founders which guided the making of the original laws of this nation. Whenever the laws of men become so corrupted as have the laws of this nation, then the greatest moral duty is to choose the higher laws of right and reason, given to us by our Creator, over the corrupted laws of men. There is no treason when one acts according to the higher laws of our Creator. --Skip Stevens
We must obey God rather than men." Acts 5:29
"Where an excess of power prevails, property of no sort is duly respected. No man is safe in his opinions, his person, his faculties, or his possessions."--James Madison
"Honor, justice, and humanity, forbid us tamely to surrender that freedom which we received from our gallant ancestors, and which our innocent posterity have a right to receive from us. We cannot endure the infamy and guilt of resigning succeeding generations to that wretchedness which inevitably awaits them if we basely entail hereditary bondage on them." --Thomas Jefferson (1775)
"I hope we have once again reminded people that man is not free unless government is limited. There's a clear cause and effect here that is as neat and predictable as a law of physics: As government expands, liberty contracts."
--President Ronald Reagan (Farewell Address)
In 1976 "[The Labour Party] has made the biggest financial mess that any government's ever made in this country. ... Socialist governments traditionally do make a financial mess. They always run out of other people's money. ... Then they start to nationalize everything." --Margaret Thatcher
Every step we take towards making the State our Caretaker of our lives, by that much we move toward making the State our Master.--Dwight D. Eisenhower
"It is the duty of all Nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey his will, to be grateful for his benefits, and humbly to implore his protection and favors." --George Washington
"Certainly, one of the chief guarantees of freedom under any government, no matter how popular and respected, is the right of the citizen to keep and bear arms. ... The right of the citizen to bear arms is just one guarantee against arbitrary government, one more safeguard against the tyranny which now appears remote in America but which historically has proven to be always possible." --Vice President Hubert H. Humphrey
"No people will tamely surrender their Liberties, nor can any be easily subdued, when knowledge is diffusd and Virtue is preserved. On the Contrary, when People are universally ignorant, and debauchd in their Manners, they will sink under their own weight without the Aid of foreign Invaders."
--Samuel Adams (1775)
The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average v**er. --Winston Churchill
"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of gov't. It can only exist UNTIL the v**ers discover that they can v**e themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the MAJORITY always v**es for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a DICTATORSHIP. The average age of the world's greatest civilization has been 200 years."
--Alexis De Toqueville - 1835
If men are to be precluded from offering their sentiments on a matter which may involve the most serious and alarming consequences that can invite the consideration of mankind, reason is of no use; the freedom of speech may be taken away, and dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter."
--George Washington, 1793 message to the House of Representatives
"[N]either the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt."--Samuel Adams (1749)
"In selecting men for office, let principle be your guide. Regard not the particular sect or denomination of the candidate -- look to his character." --Noah Webster (1789)
"The right to freedom being the gift of God Almighty, it is not in the power of Man to alienate this gift, and voluntarily become a s***e." --John Adams
"We hold this prudent jealousy to be the first duty of Citizens, and one of the noblest characteristics of the late Revolution. The free men of America did not wait till usurped power had strengthened itself by exercise, and entangled the question in precedents. They saw all the consequences in the principle, and they avoided the consequences by denying the principle. We revere this lesson too much soon to forget it." --James Madison's Memorial and Remonstrance (1785) (Let it be so today)
"Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, Religion and morality are indespensible supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of Patriotism who should labor to subvert these great Pillars of human happiness -- these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens. The mere Politician, equally with the pious man ought to respect and to cherish them. A volume could not trace all their connections with private and public felicity. ... [L]et us with caution indulge the opposition, that morality can be maintained without religion. Wh**ever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect that National morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle." --George Washington (1796)
"It is natural to man to indulge in the illusions of hope. We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful t***h -- and listen to the song of that syren, till she t***sforms us into beasts. ... For my part, wh**ever anguish of spirit it might cost, I am willing to know the whole t***h; to know the worst, and to provide for it."
--Patrick Henry
"Peace is a goal which ... we particularly think of...when we commemorate the resurrection of the Prince of Peace...
One cannot but shrink from buying peace at the price of extending over human beings the rule of those who believe that men are in fact nothing more than animated bits of matter and that, to insure harmony and conformity, they should be deprived of the capacity for moral and intellectual judgment.
Man, we read in the Holy Scriptures, was made a little lower than the angels. Should man now be made little, if any, higher than domesticated animals which serve the purpose of their human masters?
So men face the great dilemma of when and whether to use force to resist aggression which imposes conditions which violate the moral law and the concept that man has his origins and his destiny in God..
The government of the United States has, I like to believe, a rather unique tradition in this respect. Our nation was founded as an experiment in human liberty.
Our institutions reflect the belief of our founders that all men were endowed by their Creator with inalienable rights and had duties prescribed by moral law.
They believed that human institutions ought primarily to help men develop their God-given possibilities and that our nation, by its conduct and example, could help men everywhere to find the way to a better and more abundant life.
Our nation realized that vision. There developed here an area of spiritual and economic vigor the like of which the world had never seen...
Our greatest need is to regain confidence in our spiritual heritage."
--John Foster Dulles, (1888-1959)
"Whether Americas independence will prove a Blessing or a Curse, will depend on the use our people make of the Blessings which a gracious God hath bestowed on us. If they are wise, they will be great and happy. If they are of a contrary character, they will be miserable. Righteousness alone can exalt them as a Nation. Reader! whoever thou art, remember this, and in thy Sphere, practice Virtue thyself, and encourage it in others. -- PATRICK HENRY
"There are two ways to conquer and ens***e a nation. One is by the sword. The other is by debt." --John Adams 1826
"Change the domestic habits of Americans, their religious devotion, and their high respect for morality, and it will not be necessary to change a single letter of the Constitution in order to vary the whole form of their government."--Francis Grund
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt
"The Commander in Chief directs that divine Service be performed every Sunday at 11 O'Clock in those Brigades to which there are Chaplains; those which have none to attend the places of worship nearest to them. It is expected that Officers of all Ranks will by their attendence set an Example to their men. While we are zealously performing the duties of good Citizens and soldiers we certainly ought not to be inattentive to the higher duties of Religion. To the distinguished Character of Patriot, it should be our highest Glory to add the more distinguished Character of Christian. The signal Instances of providential Goodness which we have experienced and which have now almost crowned our labours with complete Success, demand from us in a peculiar manner the warmest returns of Gratitude and Piety to the Supreme Author of all Good."
--George Washington, General Orders, (May 2nd, 1778)
The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were the general principles of Christianity. I will avow that I then believed, and now believe, that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God. ... The Christian religion is, above all the religions that ever prevailed or existed in ancient or modern times, the religion of wisdom, virtue, equity and humanity.
--John Adams
"To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves is sinful and tyrannical." --Thomas Jefferson
It doesn't take a majority to win, just a tireless minority that
will keep starting brush fires in the mind and hearts of their
fellow men. --Samuel Adams
"If men of wisdom and knowledge, of moderation and temperance, of patience, fortitude and perseverance, of sobriety and true republican simplicity of manners, of zeal for the honour of the Supreme Being and the welfare of the commonwealth; if men possessed of these other excellent qualities are chosen to fill the seats of government, we may expect that our affairs will rest on a solid and permanent foundation." --Samuel Adams
"Future Freedom Foundation President Jacob Hornberger wrote, "There is no difference in principle, between the economic philosophy of N**ism, socialism, c*******m, and f*****m and that of the American welfare state and regulated economy."
--Noted economist and philosopher F.A. Hayek,
"I place economy among the first and most important virtues and public debt as the greatest dangers to be feared."
--Thomas Jefferson
You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich.
You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.
You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift.
You cannot lift the wage earner up by pulling the wage payer down.
You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred.
You cannot build character and courage by taking away people's initiative and
independence.
You cannot help people permanently by doing for them, what they could and
should do for themselves.
--Abraham Lincoln
"I have lived, Sir, a long time; and the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this T***h, that God governs in the Affairs of Men." --Benjamin Franklin
"In questions of power, then, let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution." --Thomas Jefferson
"Giving Congress a distinct and independent power to do any act they please which may be good for the Union, would render all the preceding and subsequent enumerations of power completely useless. It would reduce the whole [Constitution] to a single phrase, that of instituting a Congress with power to do wh**ever would be for the good of the United States; and as sole judges of the good or evil, it would be also a power to do wh**ever evil they please. Certainly, no such universal power was meant to be given them. [The Constitution] was intended to lace them up straightly within the enumerated powers and those without which, as means, these powers could not be carried into effect." --Thomas Jefferson
"If Congress can do wh**ever in their discretion can be done by money, and will promote the General Welfare, the Government is no longer a limited one, possessing enumerated powers, but an indefinite one, subject to particular exceptions." --James Madison
"The sacred rights of mankind are not to be rummaged for, among old parchments, or musty records. They are written, as with a sun beam, in the whole volume of human nature, by the hand of the divinity itself; and can never be erased or obscured by mortal power." --Alexander Hamilton
"The God who gave us life, gave us liberty at the same time. ... Can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with his wrath? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just: that his justice cannot sleep for ever." --Thomas Jefferson
"It will be of little avail to the people, that the laws are made by men of their own choice, if the laws be so voluminous that they cannot be read, or so incoherent that they cannot be understood; if they be repealed or revised before they are promulgated, or undergo such incessant changes that no man, who knows what the law is to-day, can guess what it will be to-morrow." --James Madison
There is a higher law to which mankind must answer, a law that supersedes any laws of men. It is this higher law, supposedly recognized by this country's founders which guided the making of the original laws of this nation. Whenever the laws of men become so corrupted as have the laws of this nation, then the greatest moral duty is to choose the higher laws of right and reason, given to us by our Creator, over the corrupted laws of men. There is no treason when one acts according to the higher laws of our Creator. --Skip Stevens
We must obey God rather than men." Acts 5:29
"Where an excess of power prevails, property of no sort is duly respected. No man is safe in his opinions, his person, his faculties, or his possessions."--James Madison
"Honor, justice, and humanity, forbid us tamely to surrender that freedom which we received from our gallant ancestors, and which our innocent posterity have a right to receive from us. We cannot endure the infamy and guilt of resigning succeeding generations to that wretchedness which inevitably awaits them if we basely entail hereditary bondage on them." --Thomas Jefferson (1775)
"I hope we have once again reminded people that man is not free unless government is limited. There's a clear cause and effect here that is as neat and predictable as a law of physics: As government expands, liberty contracts."
--President Ronald Reagan (Farewell Address)
In 1976 "[The Labour Party] has made the biggest financial mess that any government's ever made in this country. ... Socialist governments traditionally do make a financial mess. They always run out of other people's money. ... Then they start to nationalize everything." --Margaret Thatcher
Every step we take towards making the State our Caretaker of our lives, by that much we move toward making the State our Master.--Dwight D. Eisenhower
"It is the duty of all Nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey his will, to be grateful for his benefits, and humbly to implore his protection and favors." --George Washington
"Certainly, one of the chief guarantees of freedom under any government, no matter how popular and respected, is the right of the citizen to keep and bear arms. ... The right of the citizen to bear arms is just one guarantee against arbitrary government, one more safeguard against the tyranny which now appears remote in America but which historically has proven to be always possible." --Vice President Hubert H. Humphrey
"No people will tamely surrender their Liberties, nor can any be easily subdued, when knowledge is diffusd and Virtue is preserved. On the Contrary, when People are universally ignorant, and debauchd in their Manners, they will sink under their own weight without the Aid of foreign Invaders."
--Samuel Adams (1775)
The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average v**er. --Winston Churchill
"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of gov't. It can only exist UNTIL the v**ers discover that they can v**e themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the MAJORITY always v**es for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a DICTATORSHIP. The average age of the world's greatest civilization has been 200 years."
--Alexis De Toqueville - 1835
If men are to be precluded from offering their sentiments on a matter which may involve the most serious and alarming consequences that can invite the consideration of mankind, reason is of no use; the freedom of speech may be taken away, and dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter."
--George Washington, 1793 message to the House of Representatives
"[N]either the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt."--Samuel Adams (1749)
"In selecting men for office, let principle be your guide. Regard not the particular sect or denomination of the candidate -- look to his character." --Noah Webster (1789)
"The right to freedom being the gift of God Almighty, it is not in the power of Man to alienate this gift, and voluntarily become a s***e." --John Adams
"We hold this prudent jealousy to be the first duty of Citizens, and one of the noblest characteristics of the late Revolution. The free men of America did not wait till usurped power had strengthened itself by exercise, and entangled the question in precedents. They saw all the consequences in the principle, and they avoided the consequences by denying the principle. We revere this lesson too much soon to forget it." --James Madison's Memorial and Remonstrance (1785) (Let it be so today)
"Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, Religion and morality are indespensible supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of Patriotism who should labor to subvert these great Pillars of human happiness -- these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens. The mere Politician, equally with the pious man ought to respect and to cherish them. A volume could not trace all their connections with private and public felicity. ... [L]et us with caution indulge the opposition, that morality can be maintained without religion. Wh**ever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect that National morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle." --George Washington (1796)
"It is natural to man to indulge in the illusions of hope. We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful t***h -- and listen to the song of that syren, till she t***sforms us into beasts. ... For my part, wh**ever anguish of spirit it might cost, I am willing to know the whole t***h; to know the worst, and to provide for it."
--Patrick Henry
"Peace is a goal which ... we particularly think of...when we commemorate the resurrection of the Prince of Peace...
One cannot but shrink from buying peace at the price of extending over human beings the rule of those who believe that men are in fact nothing more than animated bits of matter and that, to insure harmony and conformity, they should be deprived of the capacity for moral and intellectual judgment.
Man, we read in the Holy Scriptures, was made a little lower than the angels. Should man now be made little, if any, higher than domesticated animals which serve the purpose of their human masters?
So men face the great dilemma of when and whether to use force to resist aggression which imposes conditions which violate the moral law and the concept that man has his origins and his destiny in God..
The government of the United States has, I like to believe, a rather unique tradition in this respect. Our nation was founded as an experiment in human liberty.
Our institutions reflect the belief of our founders that all men were endowed by their Creator with inalienable rights and had duties prescribed by moral law.
They believed that human institutions ought primarily to help men develop their God-given possibilities and that our nation, by its conduct and example, could help men everywhere to find the way to a better and more abundant life.
Our nation realized that vision. There developed here an area of spiritual and economic vigor the like of which the world had never seen...
Our greatest need is to regain confidence in our spiritual heritage."
--John Foster Dulles, (1888-1959)
"Whether Americas independence will prove a Blessing or a Curse, will depend on the use our people make of the Blessings which a gracious God hath bestowed on us. If they are wise, they will be great and happy. If they are of a contrary character, they will be miserable. Righteousness alone can exalt them as a Nation. Reader! whoever thou art, remember this, and in thy Sphere, practice Virtue thyself, and encourage it in others. -- PATRICK HENRY
"There are two ways to conquer and ens***e a nation. One is by the sword. The other is by debt." --John Adams 1826
"Change the domestic habits of Americans, their religious devotion, and their high respect for morality, and it will not be necessary to change a single letter of the Constitution in order to vary the whole form of their government."--Francis Grund
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt
"The Commander in Chief directs that divine Service be performed every Sunday at 11 O'Clock in those Brigades to which there are Chaplains; those which have none to attend the places of worship nearest to them. It is expected that Officers of all Ranks will by their attendence set an Example to their men. While we are zealously performing the duties of good Citizens and soldiers we certainly ought not to be inattentive to the higher duties of Religion. To the distinguished Character of Patriot, it should be our highest Glory to add the more distinguished Character of Christian. The signal Instances of providential Goodness which we have experienced and which have now almost crowned our labours with complete Success, demand from us in a peculiar manner the warmest returns of Gratitude and Piety to the Supreme Author of all Good."
--George Washington, General Orders, (May 2nd, 1778)
The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were the general principles of Christianity. I will avow that I then believed, and now believe, that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God. ... The Christian religion is, above all the religions that ever prevailed or existed in ancient or modern times, the religion of wisdom, virtue, equity and humanity.
--John Adams
"To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves is sinful and tyrannical." --Thomas Jefferson
It doesn't take a majority to win, just a tireless minority that
will keep starting brush fires in the mind and hearts of their
fellow men. --Samuel Adams
"If men of wisdom and knowledge, of moderation and temperance, of patience, fortitude and perseverance, of sobriety and true republican simplicity of manners, of zeal for the honour of the Supreme Being and the welfare of the commonwealth; if men possessed of these other excellent qualities are chosen to fill the seats of government, we may expect that our affairs will rest on a solid and permanent foundation." --Samuel Adams
"Future Freedom Foundation President Jacob Hornberger wrote, "There is no difference in principle, between the economic philosophy of N**ism, socialism, c*******m, and f*****m and that of the American welfare state and regulated economy."
--Noted economist and philosopher F.A. Hayek,
"I place economy among the first and most important virtues and public debt as the greatest dangers to be feared."
--Thomas Jefferson
You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich.
You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.
You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift.
You cannot lift the wage earner up by pulling the wage payer down.
You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred.
You cannot build character and courage by taking away people's initiative and
independence.
You cannot help people permanently by doing for them, what they could and
should do for themselves.
--Abraham Lincoln
"I have lived, Sir, a long time; and the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this T***h, that God governs in the Affairs of Men." --Benjamin Franklin
"In questions of power, then, let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution." --Thomas Jefferson
"Giving Congress a distinct and independent power to do any act they please which may be good for the Union, would render all the preceding and subsequent enumerations of power completely useless. It would reduce the whole [Constitution] to a single phrase, that of instituting a Congress with power to do wh**ever would be for the good of the United States; and as sole judges of the good or evil, it would be also a power to do wh**ever evil they please. Certainly, no such universal power was meant to be given them. [The Constitution] was intended to lace them up straightly within the enumerated powers and those without which, as means, these powers could not be carried into effect." --Thomas Jefferson
"If Congress can do wh**ever in their discretion can be done by money, and will promote the General Welfare, the Government is no longer a limited one, possessing enumerated powers, but an indefinite one, subject to particular exceptions." --James Madison
"The sacred rights of mankind are not to be rummaged for, among old parchments, or musty records. They are written, as with a sun beam, in the whole volume of human nature, by the hand of the divinity itself; and can never be erased or obscured by mortal power." --Alexander Hamilton
"The God who gave us life, gave us liberty at the same time. ... Can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with his wrath? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just: that his justice cannot sleep for ever." --Thomas Jefferson
Sep 21, 2013 22:57:01 #
Flyinhoss
Loc: Texas
I have copied several of the quotes found here, which I will place on my personal bulletin board until they are commited to memory. Thank you!
quote=JQP]"It is hard to read a newspaper, or watch a television newscast, without encountering someone who has come up with a new 'solution' to society's 'problems.' Sometimes it seems as if there are more solutions than there are problems. On closer scrutiny, it turns out that many of today's problems are a result of yesterday's solutions." --Economist Thomas Sowell
"It will be of little avail to the people, that the laws are made by men of their own choice, if the laws be so voluminous that they cannot be read, or so incoherent that they cannot be understood; if they be repealed or revised before they are promulgated, or undergo such incessant changes that no man, who knows what the law is to-day, can guess what it will be to-morrow." --James Madison
There is a higher law to which mankind must answer, a law that supersedes any laws of men. It is this higher law, supposedly recognized by this country's founders which guided the making of the original laws of this nation. Whenever the laws of men become so corrupted as have the laws of this nation, then the greatest moral duty is to choose the higher laws of right and reason, given to us by our Creator, over the corrupted laws of men. There is no treason when one acts according to the higher laws of our Creator. --Skip Stevens
We must obey God rather than men." Acts 5:29
"Where an excess of power prevails, property of no sort is duly respected. No man is safe in his opinions, his person, his faculties, or his possessions."--James Madison
"Honor, justice, and humanity, forbid us tamely to surrender that freedom which we received from our gallant ancestors, and which our innocent posterity have a right to receive from us. We cannot endure the infamy and guilt of resigning succeeding generations to that wretchedness which inevitably awaits them if we basely entail hereditary bondage on them." --Thomas Jefferson (1775)
"I hope we have once again reminded people that man is not free unless government is limited. There's a clear cause and effect here that is as neat and predictable as a law of physics: As government expands, liberty contracts."
--President Ronald Reagan (Farewell Address)
In 1976 "[The Labour Party] has made the biggest financial mess that any government's ever made in this country. ... Socialist governments traditionally do make a financial mess. They always run out of other people's money. ... Then they start to nationalize everything." --Margaret Thatcher
Every step we take towards making the State our Caretaker of our lives, by that much we move toward making the State our Master.--Dwight D. Eisenhower
"It is the duty of all Nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey his will, to be grateful for his benefits, and humbly to implore his protection and favors." --George Washington
"Certainly, one of the chief guarantees of freedom under any government, no matter how popular and respected, is the right of the citizen to keep and bear arms. ... The right of the citizen to bear arms is just one guarantee against arbitrary government, one more safeguard against the tyranny which now appears remote in America but which historically has proven to be always possible." --Vice President Hubert H. Humphrey
"No people will tamely surrender their Liberties, nor can any be easily subdued, when knowledge is diffusd and Virtue is preserved. On the Contrary, when People are universally ignorant, and debauchd in their Manners, they will sink under their own weight without the Aid of foreign Invaders."
--Samuel Adams (1775)
The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average v**er. --Winston Churchill
"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of gov't. It can only exist UNTIL the v**ers discover that they can v**e themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the MAJORITY always v**es for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a DICTATORSHIP. The average age of the world's greatest civilization has been 200 years."
--Alexis De Toqueville - 1835
If men are to be precluded from offering their sentiments on a matter which may involve the most serious and alarming consequences that can invite the consideration of mankind, reason is of no use; the freedom of speech may be taken away, and dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter."
--George Washington, 1793 message to the House of Representatives
"[N]either the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt."--Samuel Adams (1749)
"In selecting men for office, let principle be your guide. Regard not the particular sect or denomination of the candidate -- look to his character." --Noah Webster (1789)
"The right to freedom being the gift of God Almighty, it is not in the power of Man to alienate this gift, and voluntarily become a s***e." --John Adams
"We hold this prudent jealousy to be the first duty of Citizens, and one of the noblest characteristics of the late Revolution. The free men of America did not wait till usurped power had strengthened itself by exercise, and entangled the question in precedents. They saw all the consequences in the principle, and they avoided the consequences by denying the principle. We revere this lesson too much soon to forget it." --James Madison's Memorial and Remonstrance (1785) (Let it be so today)
"Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, Religion and morality are indespensible supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of Patriotism who should labor to subvert these great Pillars of human happiness -- these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens. The mere Politician, equally with the pious man ought to respect and to cherish them. A volume could not trace all their connections with private and public felicity. ... [L]et us with caution indulge the opposition, that morality can be maintained without religion. Wh**ever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect that National morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle." --George Washington (1796)
"It is natural to man to indulge in the illusions of hope. We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful t***h -- and listen to the song of that syren, till she t***sforms us into beasts. ... For my part, wh**ever anguish of spirit it might cost, I am willing to know the whole t***h; to know the worst, and to provide for it."
--Patrick Henry
"Peace is a goal which ... we particularly think of...when we commemorate the resurrection of the Prince of Peace...
One cannot but shrink from buying peace at the price of extending over human beings the rule of those who believe that men are in fact nothing more than animated bits of matter and that, to insure harmony and conformity, they should be deprived of the capacity for moral and intellectual judgment.
Man, we read in the Holy Scriptures, was made a little lower than the angels. Should man now be made little, if any, higher than domesticated animals which serve the purpose of their human masters?
So men face the great dilemma of when and whether to use force to resist aggression which imposes conditions which violate the moral law and the concept that man has his origins and his destiny in God..
The government of the United States has, I like to believe, a rather unique tradition in this respect. Our nation was founded as an experiment in human liberty.
Our institutions reflect the belief of our founders that all men were endowed by their Creator with inalienable rights and had duties prescribed by moral law.
They believed that human institutions ought primarily to help men develop their God-given possibilities and that our nation, by its conduct and example, could help men everywhere to find the way to a better and more abundant life.
Our nation realized that vision. There developed here an area of spiritual and economic vigor the like of which the world had never seen...
Our greatest need is to regain confidence in our spiritual heritage."
--John Foster Dulles, (1888-1959)
"Whether Americas independence will prove a Blessing or a Curse, will depend on the use our people make of the Blessings which a gracious God hath bestowed on us. If they are wise, they will be great and happy. If they are of a contrary character, they will be miserable. Righteousness alone can exalt them as a Nation. Reader! whoever thou art, remember this, and in thy Sphere, practice Virtue thyself, and encourage it in others. -- PATRICK HENRY
"There are two ways to conquer and ens***e a nation. One is by the sword. The other is by debt." --John Adams 1826
"Change the domestic habits of Americans, their religious devotion, and their high respect for morality, and it will not be necessary to change a single letter of the Constitution in order to vary the whole form of their government."--Francis Grund
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt
"The Commander in Chief directs that divine Service be performed every Sunday at 11 O'Clock in those Brigades to which there are Chaplains; those which have none to attend the places of worship nearest to them. It is expected that Officers of all Ranks will by their attendence set an Example to their men. While we are zealously performing the duties of good Citizens and soldiers we certainly ought not to be inattentive to the higher duties of Religion. To the distinguished Character of Patriot, it should be our highest Glory to add the more distinguished Character of Christian. The signal Instances of providential Goodness which we have experienced and which have now almost crowned our labours with complete Success, demand from us in a peculiar manner the warmest returns of Gratitude and Piety to the Supreme Author of all Good."
--George Washington, General Orders, (May 2nd, 1778)
The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were the general principles of Christianity. I will avow that I then believed, and now believe, that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God. ... The Christian religion is, above all the religions that ever prevailed or existed in ancient or modern times, the religion of wisdom, virtue, equity and humanity.
--John Adams
"To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves is sinful and tyrannical." --Thomas Jefferson
It doesn't take a majority to win, just a tireless minority that
will keep starting brush fires in the mind and hearts of their
fellow men. --Samuel Adams
"If men of wisdom and knowledge, of moderation and temperance, of patience, fortitude and perseverance, of sobriety and true republican simplicity of manners, of zeal for the honour of the Supreme Being and the welfare of the commonwealth; if men possessed of these other excellent qualities are chosen to fill the seats of government, we may expect that our affairs will rest on a solid and permanent foundation." --Samuel Adams
"Future Freedom Foundation President Jacob Hornberger wrote, "There is no difference in principle, between the economic philosophy of N**ism, socialism, c*******m, and f*****m and that of the American welfare state and regulated economy."
--Noted economist and philosopher F.A. Hayek,
"I place economy among the first and most important virtues and public debt as the greatest dangers to be feared."
--Thomas Jefferson
You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich.
You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.
You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift.
You cannot lift the wage earner up by pulling the wage payer down.
You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred.
You cannot build character and courage by taking away people's initiative and
independence.
You cannot help people permanently by doing for them, what they could and
should do for themselves.
--Abraham Lincoln
"I have lived, Sir, a long time; and the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this T***h, that God governs in the Affairs of Men." --Benjamin Franklin
"In questions of power, then, let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution." --Thomas Jefferson
"Giving Congress a distinct and independent power to do any act they please which may be good for the Union, would render all the preceding and subsequent enumerations of power completely useless. It would reduce the whole [Constitution] to a single phrase, that of instituting a Congress with power to do wh**ever would be for the good of the United States; and as sole judges of the good or evil, it would be also a power to do wh**ever evil they please. Certainly, no such universal power was meant to be given them. [The Constitution] was intended to lace them up straightly within the enumerated powers and those without which, as means, these powers could not be carried into effect." --Thomas Jefferson
"If Congress can do wh**ever in their discretion can be done by money, and will promote the General Welfare, the Government is no longer a limited one, possessing enumerated powers, but an indefinite one, subject to particular exceptions." --James Madison
"The sacred rights of mankind are not to be rummaged for, among old parchments, or musty records. They are written, as with a sun beam, in the whole volume of human nature, by the hand of the divinity itself; and can never be erased or obscured by mortal power." --Alexander Hamilton
"The God who gave us life, gave us liberty at the same time. ... Can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with his wrath? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just: that his justice cannot sleep for ever." --Thomas Jefferson[/quote]
quote=JQP]"It is hard to read a newspaper, or watch a television newscast, without encountering someone who has come up with a new 'solution' to society's 'problems.' Sometimes it seems as if there are more solutions than there are problems. On closer scrutiny, it turns out that many of today's problems are a result of yesterday's solutions." --Economist Thomas Sowell
"It will be of little avail to the people, that the laws are made by men of their own choice, if the laws be so voluminous that they cannot be read, or so incoherent that they cannot be understood; if they be repealed or revised before they are promulgated, or undergo such incessant changes that no man, who knows what the law is to-day, can guess what it will be to-morrow." --James Madison
There is a higher law to which mankind must answer, a law that supersedes any laws of men. It is this higher law, supposedly recognized by this country's founders which guided the making of the original laws of this nation. Whenever the laws of men become so corrupted as have the laws of this nation, then the greatest moral duty is to choose the higher laws of right and reason, given to us by our Creator, over the corrupted laws of men. There is no treason when one acts according to the higher laws of our Creator. --Skip Stevens
We must obey God rather than men." Acts 5:29
"Where an excess of power prevails, property of no sort is duly respected. No man is safe in his opinions, his person, his faculties, or his possessions."--James Madison
"Honor, justice, and humanity, forbid us tamely to surrender that freedom which we received from our gallant ancestors, and which our innocent posterity have a right to receive from us. We cannot endure the infamy and guilt of resigning succeeding generations to that wretchedness which inevitably awaits them if we basely entail hereditary bondage on them." --Thomas Jefferson (1775)
"I hope we have once again reminded people that man is not free unless government is limited. There's a clear cause and effect here that is as neat and predictable as a law of physics: As government expands, liberty contracts."
--President Ronald Reagan (Farewell Address)
In 1976 "[The Labour Party] has made the biggest financial mess that any government's ever made in this country. ... Socialist governments traditionally do make a financial mess. They always run out of other people's money. ... Then they start to nationalize everything." --Margaret Thatcher
Every step we take towards making the State our Caretaker of our lives, by that much we move toward making the State our Master.--Dwight D. Eisenhower
"It is the duty of all Nations to acknowledge the providence of Almighty God, to obey his will, to be grateful for his benefits, and humbly to implore his protection and favors." --George Washington
"Certainly, one of the chief guarantees of freedom under any government, no matter how popular and respected, is the right of the citizen to keep and bear arms. ... The right of the citizen to bear arms is just one guarantee against arbitrary government, one more safeguard against the tyranny which now appears remote in America but which historically has proven to be always possible." --Vice President Hubert H. Humphrey
"No people will tamely surrender their Liberties, nor can any be easily subdued, when knowledge is diffusd and Virtue is preserved. On the Contrary, when People are universally ignorant, and debauchd in their Manners, they will sink under their own weight without the Aid of foreign Invaders."
--Samuel Adams (1775)
The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average v**er. --Winston Churchill
"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of gov't. It can only exist UNTIL the v**ers discover that they can v**e themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the MAJORITY always v**es for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a DICTATORSHIP. The average age of the world's greatest civilization has been 200 years."
--Alexis De Toqueville - 1835
If men are to be precluded from offering their sentiments on a matter which may involve the most serious and alarming consequences that can invite the consideration of mankind, reason is of no use; the freedom of speech may be taken away, and dumb and silent we may be led, like sheep to the slaughter."
--George Washington, 1793 message to the House of Representatives
"[N]either the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt."--Samuel Adams (1749)
"In selecting men for office, let principle be your guide. Regard not the particular sect or denomination of the candidate -- look to his character." --Noah Webster (1789)
"The right to freedom being the gift of God Almighty, it is not in the power of Man to alienate this gift, and voluntarily become a s***e." --John Adams
"We hold this prudent jealousy to be the first duty of Citizens, and one of the noblest characteristics of the late Revolution. The free men of America did not wait till usurped power had strengthened itself by exercise, and entangled the question in precedents. They saw all the consequences in the principle, and they avoided the consequences by denying the principle. We revere this lesson too much soon to forget it." --James Madison's Memorial and Remonstrance (1785) (Let it be so today)
"Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, Religion and morality are indespensible supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of Patriotism who should labor to subvert these great Pillars of human happiness -- these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens. The mere Politician, equally with the pious man ought to respect and to cherish them. A volume could not trace all their connections with private and public felicity. ... [L]et us with caution indulge the opposition, that morality can be maintained without religion. Wh**ever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect that National morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle." --George Washington (1796)
"It is natural to man to indulge in the illusions of hope. We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful t***h -- and listen to the song of that syren, till she t***sforms us into beasts. ... For my part, wh**ever anguish of spirit it might cost, I am willing to know the whole t***h; to know the worst, and to provide for it."
--Patrick Henry
"Peace is a goal which ... we particularly think of...when we commemorate the resurrection of the Prince of Peace...
One cannot but shrink from buying peace at the price of extending over human beings the rule of those who believe that men are in fact nothing more than animated bits of matter and that, to insure harmony and conformity, they should be deprived of the capacity for moral and intellectual judgment.
Man, we read in the Holy Scriptures, was made a little lower than the angels. Should man now be made little, if any, higher than domesticated animals which serve the purpose of their human masters?
So men face the great dilemma of when and whether to use force to resist aggression which imposes conditions which violate the moral law and the concept that man has his origins and his destiny in God..
The government of the United States has, I like to believe, a rather unique tradition in this respect. Our nation was founded as an experiment in human liberty.
Our institutions reflect the belief of our founders that all men were endowed by their Creator with inalienable rights and had duties prescribed by moral law.
They believed that human institutions ought primarily to help men develop their God-given possibilities and that our nation, by its conduct and example, could help men everywhere to find the way to a better and more abundant life.
Our nation realized that vision. There developed here an area of spiritual and economic vigor the like of which the world had never seen...
Our greatest need is to regain confidence in our spiritual heritage."
--John Foster Dulles, (1888-1959)
"Whether Americas independence will prove a Blessing or a Curse, will depend on the use our people make of the Blessings which a gracious God hath bestowed on us. If they are wise, they will be great and happy. If they are of a contrary character, they will be miserable. Righteousness alone can exalt them as a Nation. Reader! whoever thou art, remember this, and in thy Sphere, practice Virtue thyself, and encourage it in others. -- PATRICK HENRY
"There are two ways to conquer and ens***e a nation. One is by the sword. The other is by debt." --John Adams 1826
"Change the domestic habits of Americans, their religious devotion, and their high respect for morality, and it will not be necessary to change a single letter of the Constitution in order to vary the whole form of their government."--Francis Grund
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt
"The Commander in Chief directs that divine Service be performed every Sunday at 11 O'Clock in those Brigades to which there are Chaplains; those which have none to attend the places of worship nearest to them. It is expected that Officers of all Ranks will by their attendence set an Example to their men. While we are zealously performing the duties of good Citizens and soldiers we certainly ought not to be inattentive to the higher duties of Religion. To the distinguished Character of Patriot, it should be our highest Glory to add the more distinguished Character of Christian. The signal Instances of providential Goodness which we have experienced and which have now almost crowned our labours with complete Success, demand from us in a peculiar manner the warmest returns of Gratitude and Piety to the Supreme Author of all Good."
--George Washington, General Orders, (May 2nd, 1778)
The general principles on which the fathers achieved independence were the general principles of Christianity. I will avow that I then believed, and now believe, that those general principles of Christianity are as eternal and immutable as the existence and attributes of God. ... The Christian religion is, above all the religions that ever prevailed or existed in ancient or modern times, the religion of wisdom, virtue, equity and humanity.
--John Adams
"To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves is sinful and tyrannical." --Thomas Jefferson
It doesn't take a majority to win, just a tireless minority that
will keep starting brush fires in the mind and hearts of their
fellow men. --Samuel Adams
"If men of wisdom and knowledge, of moderation and temperance, of patience, fortitude and perseverance, of sobriety and true republican simplicity of manners, of zeal for the honour of the Supreme Being and the welfare of the commonwealth; if men possessed of these other excellent qualities are chosen to fill the seats of government, we may expect that our affairs will rest on a solid and permanent foundation." --Samuel Adams
"Future Freedom Foundation President Jacob Hornberger wrote, "There is no difference in principle, between the economic philosophy of N**ism, socialism, c*******m, and f*****m and that of the American welfare state and regulated economy."
--Noted economist and philosopher F.A. Hayek,
"I place economy among the first and most important virtues and public debt as the greatest dangers to be feared."
--Thomas Jefferson
You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich.
You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.
You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift.
You cannot lift the wage earner up by pulling the wage payer down.
You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred.
You cannot build character and courage by taking away people's initiative and
independence.
You cannot help people permanently by doing for them, what they could and
should do for themselves.
--Abraham Lincoln
"I have lived, Sir, a long time; and the longer I live, the more convincing proofs I see of this T***h, that God governs in the Affairs of Men." --Benjamin Franklin
"In questions of power, then, let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution." --Thomas Jefferson
"Giving Congress a distinct and independent power to do any act they please which may be good for the Union, would render all the preceding and subsequent enumerations of power completely useless. It would reduce the whole [Constitution] to a single phrase, that of instituting a Congress with power to do wh**ever would be for the good of the United States; and as sole judges of the good or evil, it would be also a power to do wh**ever evil they please. Certainly, no such universal power was meant to be given them. [The Constitution] was intended to lace them up straightly within the enumerated powers and those without which, as means, these powers could not be carried into effect." --Thomas Jefferson
"If Congress can do wh**ever in their discretion can be done by money, and will promote the General Welfare, the Government is no longer a limited one, possessing enumerated powers, but an indefinite one, subject to particular exceptions." --James Madison
"The sacred rights of mankind are not to be rummaged for, among old parchments, or musty records. They are written, as with a sun beam, in the whole volume of human nature, by the hand of the divinity itself; and can never be erased or obscured by mortal power." --Alexander Hamilton
"The God who gave us life, gave us liberty at the same time. ... Can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with his wrath? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just: that his justice cannot sleep for ever." --Thomas Jefferson[/quote]
Sep 22, 2013 00:32:58 #
thejeepdoctor
Loc: Pea Ridge, Ar.
I think this would be a great idea. Its just getting it implemented. Speak up people.....how can we do it???????
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