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ISIS Claims Take Down of Russian Plan...
Nov 2, 2015 17:18:17   #
Don G. Dinsdale Loc: El Cajon, CA (San Diego County)
 
Unless Our People (As Usual) Have Their Heads In The Ass's This Should Be a Wake Up Call, I Never Did Believe That Flight That Went Down Right After Take-Off Out of New York Several Years Ago Was An Accident Either!!

Aaron Klein: ISIS Claims They Did It, Reveals Details Soon

Newsmax - By Greg Richter - Sunday, 01 Nov 2015


Islamic State (ISIS) militants say they are responsible for the crash of a Russian airliner in Egypt Saturday that k**led 224 people and claim they will soon reveal how they did it, writes Aaron Klein at WND.com.

According to Klein, an ISIS leader in Gaza speaking on condition of anonymity told him that "in the Russian plane operation our brothers used their brains more than their bullets or their explosives. It was part of a brains war."

Other ISIS members in Gaza say a video purporting to show the final minutes of the plane's flight are not authentic, WND reported.

Though Russia has denied the crash was part of a terror attack, Michael Clarke, director general of the Royal United Services Institute, said on British radio the way the play broke in two pieces mid-flight makes it appear the work of an accident on board or a bomb – with a bomb being far more likely.

[Several Pictures of Crashed Russian Plan]

Sinai Plane Crash:

Russian Airliner 'Broke Up In Mid-Air'

Map showing journey taken by flight KGL9268 before it crashed - 31 October 2015.

A Russian airliner carrying 224 passengers and crew crashes in Sinai.

The Russian Airline Kogalymavia Airbus A321 with a tail number of
EI-ETJ on an airstrip of Moscow's Domodedovo International Airport.

An "external force" is to blame for a deadly crash
that k**led 224 people.

REUTERS/Stringer Egypt's Prime Minister Sherif Ismail and Tourism Minister Hisham Zaazou look at the remains of a Russian airliner which crashed in Sinai...

(Don D. Note... :)
[Obama & Hitlary Wonder If ISIS Took This Action Over The Same Video As B******i Murders?]

"Early reports said it split into two and that suggests a catastrophic failure, not a mechanical failure, but perhaps an explosion on board, so I would be much more inclined to think, if we have to guess at this stage, it is much more likely to have been a bomb on board than a missile fired from the ground," Clarke said.

http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/wnd-klein-russian-plane/2015/11/01/id/700058/#ixzz3qN78XLHL



Russian Plane Broke up 'In the Air'

Newsmax - Sunday, 01 Nov 2015


A Russian airliner that crashed in Egypt broke up "in the air" strewing fragments across a wide area, an expert said Sunday as investigators probed the disaster that k**led 224 people.

President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi urged patience to determine the cause of Saturday's crash, after the Islamic State jihadist group (IS) claimed it brought down the A-321 in Egypt's restive Sinai Peninsula.

"The disintegration happened in the air and the fragments are strewn over a large area," said Viktor Sorochenko, a senior official with Russia's Interstate Aviation Committee, quoted by the Russian news agency RIA-Novosti from Cairo.

Sorochenko, who is heading an international panel of experts, said it was "too early to draw conclusions" about what caused the flight from Sharm el-Sheikh to Saint Petersburg to crash.

Investigators have recovered the "black box" flight recorder and the Egyptian government said its contents were being analysed.

"In such cases, leave it to specialists to determine the cause of the plane crash because it is a subject of an extensive and complicated technical study," Sisi said.

The crash site in the Wadi al-Zolomat area of North Sinai was littered with blackened aircraft parts as the smell of burnt metal lingered, an AFP correspondent said.

There were no bodies visible, but soldiers guarded dozen of bags and suitcases belonging to passengers from flight KGL 9268.

A tiny red jacket underlined the horror of the tragedy that also k**led 17 children.

Officers involved in the search efforts said rescue crews had recovered 168 bodies so far, including one of a girl found eight kilometres (five miles) from the main wreckage.

Army helicopters hovered above the site as the search for bodies continued.

F**gs flew at half mast in Russia on Sunday and entertainment programmes on television were cancelled on a national day of mourning for the victims, most of them Russians ranging in age from 10 months to 77 years.

Cairo said there were 214 Russian and three Ukranian passengers on board, and seven crew members.

Both Cairo and Moscow have downplayed the claim from Egypt's IS branch that it brought down the aircraft flown by the airline Kogalymavia, operating under the name Metrojet.

Prime Minister Sharif Ismail said experts had confirmed the militants could not down a plane flying at 30,000 feet (9,000 metres), the aircraft's flight level, and Russian T***sport Minister Maxim Sokolov said the claim "cannot be considered accurate".

A Russian team including Sokolov and emergency minister Vladimir Puchkov visited the scene in a remote part of the Sinai.

Two air accident investigators from France -- Airbus's home country -- were also due in Egypt along with six experts from the aerospace giant.

Germany's Lufthansa, Emirates and Air France all said they would halt flights over Sinai until the reasons for the crash were known.

The plane lost contact with air traffic control 23 minutes after take-off early on Saturday.

Wreckage and dead bodies were found scattered over a large area south of the town of El-Arish.

"We found a three-year-old girl eight kilometres from the scene" of the main wreckage, an officer told AFP from a military base in El-Hassna, 60 kilometres from the crash site.

Many bodies were missing limbs, said the officer, who requested anonymity.

The IS affiliate waging an insurgency in the Sinai claimed it brought down the aircraft in revenge for Russian air strikes against the jihadist group in Syria.

But experts dismissed the idea.

To reach a plane at that altitude "you would need hard-to-use missiles, so it seems unlikely," said Jean-Paul Troadec, former director of France's BEA aviation investigation agency.

"This requires trained people and equipment that IS does not have, to my knowledge."

Experts said a surface-to-air missile could have struck the aircraft if it had been descending, and that a bomb on board could not yet be ruled out, but technical or human error was more likely.

An Egyptian air traffic control official said the pilot told him in their last exchange that he had radio trouble, but Civil Aviation Minister Mohamed Hossam Kamal said communications had been "normal".

"There was nothing a******l... and the pilot didn't ask to change the plane's route," he said.

Russia has a dismal air safety record, and while larger carriers have begun upgrading ageing fleets, the crash is likely to raise concerns about smaller airlines such as Kogalymavia.

Kogalymavia defended pilot Valery Nemov, saying he had more than 12,000 flying hours logged, including 3,860 hours on the A-321.

On Sunday, the Russian t***sportation watchdog, Rost***snadzor, ordered Kogalymavia to perform a full check on its A-321s.

Kogalymavia confirmed the instructions but denied this amounted to a de facto grounding of its remaining fleet of six A-321 airliners.

The last major air crash in Egypt was in 2004, when a Flash Airlines Boeing 737 plunged into the Red Sea after taking off from Sharm el-Sheikh, k*****g all 148 people on board.

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Egypt-aviation-accident-Russia/2015/11/01/id/700029/#ixzz3qN9CRiv2



Israeli Expert: Plane Could Have Been Sabotaged at Airport

Newsmax - Sunday, 01 Nov 2015


A Russian airliner that crashed in Egypt’s Sinai peninsula k*****g all 224 people on board appears to have broken up in midair, scattering debris over several kilometers of rugged terrain, according to senior aviation officials who visited the crash site.

Parts of the crashed jet fell over an area about 8 kilometers long and 4 kilometers wide (5 miles long by 2.5 miles wide), Alexander Neradko, the head of the Russian Federal Aviation Authority, said in an interview with Rossiya-24 state television. Evidence suggests the plane broke apart at high altitude, he said. Viktor Sorochenko, executive director of the Interstate Aviation Committee, which includes nearly a dozen ex- Soviet states including Russia, gave a similar appraisal while saying it was too early to say what had caused the disaster, according to Interfax.

The Metrojet Airbus A321 crashed on Saturday just 23 minutes after taking off from the Red Sea resort of Sharm El- Sheikh, bound for St. Petersburg. Egyptian officials have indicated technical issues were the cause, and have dismissed a claim of responsibility issued by the Islamic State’s Sinai affiliate. The flight’s “black box” recorders have been recovered and are being studied.

Egypt’s President Abdel-Fattah El-Sisi said the investigation must be allowed to run its course. “Let’s not jump to conclusions,” El-Sisi said in televised comments. Egypt doesn’t “have a problem cooperating with the different sides to find out the t***h,” he said.

His call for patience came amid conflicting reports about the plane’s condition, and questions about preliminary indications it was wildly fluctuating in altitude in the final seconds of the flight. Amid the uncertainty, several airlines diverted their aircraft from the area, at least temporarily.

Islamic State (ISIS)

Egyptian and Russian officials have largely discounted the possibility that the Islamic State was able to shoot down the jetliner, which had reached its cruising altitude of 31,000 feet, given the group’s limited capability and access to the weaponry that would require. Former Israeli national security adviser Yaakov Amidror, an army reserves general, however, said “other scenarios also have to be considered, especially the possibility that the plane was sabotaged at the airport before taking off.”

Debris was scattered over a wide arc in central Sinai’s remote Al-Hassana area, about 60 kilometers south of the city of Al-Arish, where security forces have been waging a concerted fight against militants. Authorities have recovered at least 173 bodies, according to Egypt’s state-run Al-Akhbar newspaper, with most already t***sferred to Cairo’s main morgue. A flight carrying the bodies of 100 of those who died is expected to leave for Russia this evening, Interfax reported.

Midair breakups are very unusual on large airliners and have almost always been linked to some extreme event, such as a terrorist bomb or a significant structural failure, according to accident investigation experts.

“It’s very rare with a modern airplane,” said Steve Wallace, former chief of the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration’s crash investigation division.

Flight Protections

Airbus builds its planes with computerized flight protections designed to prevent pilots from accidentally losing control, making it even more unlikely, said John Cox, chief executive officer of aviation consultant Safety Operating Systems.

Previous airliner midair breakups include Pan Am Flight 103, which fell from the sky over Scotland on Dec. 21, 1988, after a terrorist bomb exploded in a cargo hold; and TWA Flight 800, which blew apart over the ocean when its fuel tank exploded on July 17, 1996, soon after departing from New York.

An Airbus team, along with the Russian officials, arrived in Egypt. The country’s Civil Aviation Ministry issued a statement saying Egypt had the necessary equipment and expertise to carry out the investigation and the analysis of the black box data.

Information gleaned from the devices -- one of which records cockpit conversations while the other tracks the route and monitors equipment aboard the flight -- could prove pivotal in determining the cause of the crash of an aircraft that had been in service for about 18 years.

Investigation Committee

Russian authorities set up an investigation committee that’s studying all possible reasons for the crash, Interfax reported, citing the body’s spokesman Vladimir Markin. Investigators have taken possession of all documentation regarding the downed plane from the airline. Authorities also banned Metrojet A321 flights.

The co-pilot’s former wife told Russia’s NTV channel that her husband had been worried about the aircraft’s technical condition. While Egyptian Civil Aviation Minister Hossam Kamal said the pilot hadn’t made an SOS call, the Dubai-based Al- Arabiya satellite channel reported he had sought permission to land at a nearby airport.

Air France, the French unit of Air France-KLM Group, Deutsche Lufthansa AG, Emirates Airlines and Fly Dubai said they would avoid flying over the Sinai area until the cause of the crash is known.

Flight paths came under public scrutiny following the downing of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 in July 2014 over eastern Ukraine, an area some airlines skirted because of fighting between government troops and pro-Russian separatists. Investigators said that crash, which k**led 298 people, was caused by a missile.

In its final seconds Saturday, the Metrojet plane appeared to be bucking wildly, abruptly climbing and descending before communication was lost, according to unverified data from FlightRadar24.com, which tracks flight routes. At times it dropped as fast as 6,000 feet per minute, only to reverse and climb even faster, repeating that pattern several times. It also slowed dangerously. In the final 24 seconds before losing contact, it dropped to 71 miles per hour from 470 mph, according to the data. Jetliners such as the Airbus 321 can’t stay aloft at such a speed.

Speed Loss

Two other accidents occurred with Airbus aircraft climbing sharply before losing speed and falling. In June 2009, an A330 operated by Air France went down in the Atlantic Ocean and in December 2014, an A320 operated by Air Asia Bhd. crashed in the Java Sea.

The A320 family is Airbus’s most popular plane, a single- aisle, twin-engine type that allowed the company to create a global duopoly with Boeing Co. for large passenger aircraft. The A321 is the longest variant.

The plane, operated by Metrojet since 2012 and produced in 1997, had logged about 56,000 flight hours over the course of nearly 21,000 flights, according to a statement from Blagnac, France-based Airbus.

Metrojet isn’t attributing the crash to human error, Interfax reported, citing Oksana Golovina from Tourism Holding & Consulting, which owns Kogalymavia, as the carrier is known in Russia.

http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/russian-jet-sabotage-airport/2015/11/01/id/700056/#ixzz3qNDultjX

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Nov 2, 2015 18:49:16   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
I can understand why ISIS might take credit if a U.S. Airliner went down. All Obama would do is draw a line in the sand turn tail and run but Putin will kick ass.
Don G. Dinsdale wrote:
Unless Our People (As Usual) Have Their Heads In The Ass's This Should Be a Wake Up Call, I Never Did Believe That Flight That Went Down Right After Take-Off Out of New York Several Years Ago Was An Accident Either!!

Aaron Klein: ISIS Claims They Did It, Reveals Details Soon

Newsmax - By Greg Richter - Sunday, 01 Nov 2015


Islamic State (ISIS) militants say they are responsible for the crash of a Russian airliner in Egypt Saturday that k**led 224 people and claim they will soon reveal how they did it, writes Aaron Klein at WND.com.

According to Klein, an ISIS leader in Gaza speaking on condition of anonymity told him that "in the Russian plane operation our brothers used their brains more than their bullets or their explosives. It was part of a brains war."

Other ISIS members in Gaza say a video purporting to show the final minutes of the plane's flight are not authentic, WND reported.

Though Russia has denied the crash was part of a terror attack, Michael Clarke, director general of the Royal United Services Institute, said on British radio the way the play broke in two pieces mid-flight makes it appear the work of an accident on board or a bomb – with a bomb being far more likely.

[Several Pictures of Crashed Russian Plan]

Sinai Plane Crash:

Russian Airliner 'Broke Up In Mid-Air'

Map showing journey taken by flight KGL9268 before it crashed - 31 October 2015.

A Russian airliner carrying 224 passengers and crew crashes in Sinai.

The Russian Airline Kogalymavia Airbus A321 with a tail number of
EI-ETJ on an airstrip of Moscow's Domodedovo International Airport.

An "external force" is to blame for a deadly crash
that k**led 224 people.

REUTERS/Stringer Egypt's Prime Minister Sherif Ismail and Tourism Minister Hisham Zaazou look at the remains of a Russian airliner which crashed in Sinai...

(Don D. Note... :)
[Obama & Hitlary Wonder If ISIS Took This Action Over The Same Video As B******i Murders?]

"Early reports said it split into two and that suggests a catastrophic failure, not a mechanical failure, but perhaps an explosion on board, so I would be much more inclined to think, if we have to guess at this stage, it is much more likely to have been a bomb on board than a missile fired from the ground," Clarke said.

http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/wnd-klein-russian-plane/2015/11/01/id/700058/#ixzz3qN78XLHL



Russian Plane Broke up 'In the Air'

Newsmax - Sunday, 01 Nov 2015


A Russian airliner that crashed in Egypt broke up "in the air" strewing fragments across a wide area, an expert said Sunday as investigators probed the disaster that k**led 224 people.

President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi urged patience to determine the cause of Saturday's crash, after the Islamic State jihadist group (IS) claimed it brought down the A-321 in Egypt's restive Sinai Peninsula.

"The disintegration happened in the air and the fragments are strewn over a large area," said Viktor Sorochenko, a senior official with Russia's Interstate Aviation Committee, quoted by the Russian news agency RIA-Novosti from Cairo.

Sorochenko, who is heading an international panel of experts, said it was "too early to draw conclusions" about what caused the flight from Sharm el-Sheikh to Saint Petersburg to crash.

Investigators have recovered the "black box" flight recorder and the Egyptian government said its contents were being analysed.

"In such cases, leave it to specialists to determine the cause of the plane crash because it is a subject of an extensive and complicated technical study," Sisi said.

The crash site in the Wadi al-Zolomat area of North Sinai was littered with blackened aircraft parts as the smell of burnt metal lingered, an AFP correspondent said.

There were no bodies visible, but soldiers guarded dozen of bags and suitcases belonging to passengers from flight KGL 9268.

A tiny red jacket underlined the horror of the tragedy that also k**led 17 children.

Officers involved in the search efforts said rescue crews had recovered 168 bodies so far, including one of a girl found eight kilometres (five miles) from the main wreckage.

Army helicopters hovered above the site as the search for bodies continued.

F**gs flew at half mast in Russia on Sunday and entertainment programmes on television were cancelled on a national day of mourning for the victims, most of them Russians ranging in age from 10 months to 77 years.

Cairo said there were 214 Russian and three Ukranian passengers on board, and seven crew members.

Both Cairo and Moscow have downplayed the claim from Egypt's IS branch that it brought down the aircraft flown by the airline Kogalymavia, operating under the name Metrojet.

Prime Minister Sharif Ismail said experts had confirmed the militants could not down a plane flying at 30,000 feet (9,000 metres), the aircraft's flight level, and Russian T***sport Minister Maxim Sokolov said the claim "cannot be considered accurate".

A Russian team including Sokolov and emergency minister Vladimir Puchkov visited the scene in a remote part of the Sinai.

Two air accident investigators from France -- Airbus's home country -- were also due in Egypt along with six experts from the aerospace giant.

Germany's Lufthansa, Emirates and Air France all said they would halt flights over Sinai until the reasons for the crash were known.

The plane lost contact with air traffic control 23 minutes after take-off early on Saturday.

Wreckage and dead bodies were found scattered over a large area south of the town of El-Arish.

"We found a three-year-old girl eight kilometres from the scene" of the main wreckage, an officer told AFP from a military base in El-Hassna, 60 kilometres from the crash site.

Many bodies were missing limbs, said the officer, who requested anonymity.

The IS affiliate waging an insurgency in the Sinai claimed it brought down the aircraft in revenge for Russian air strikes against the jihadist group in Syria.

But experts dismissed the idea.

To reach a plane at that altitude "you would need hard-to-use missiles, so it seems unlikely," said Jean-Paul Troadec, former director of France's BEA aviation investigation agency.

"This requires trained people and equipment that IS does not have, to my knowledge."

Experts said a surface-to-air missile could have struck the aircraft if it had been descending, and that a bomb on board could not yet be ruled out, but technical or human error was more likely.

An Egyptian air traffic control official said the pilot told him in their last exchange that he had radio trouble, but Civil Aviation Minister Mohamed Hossam Kamal said communications had been "normal".

"There was nothing a******l... and the pilot didn't ask to change the plane's route," he said.

Russia has a dismal air safety record, and while larger carriers have begun upgrading ageing fleets, the crash is likely to raise concerns about smaller airlines such as Kogalymavia.

Kogalymavia defended pilot Valery Nemov, saying he had more than 12,000 flying hours logged, including 3,860 hours on the A-321.

On Sunday, the Russian t***sportation watchdog, Rost***snadzor, ordered Kogalymavia to perform a full check on its A-321s.

Kogalymavia confirmed the instructions but denied this amounted to a de facto grounding of its remaining fleet of six A-321 airliners.

The last major air crash in Egypt was in 2004, when a Flash Airlines Boeing 737 plunged into the Red Sea after taking off from Sharm el-Sheikh, k*****g all 148 people on board.

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/Egypt-aviation-accident-Russia/2015/11/01/id/700029/#ixzz3qN9CRiv2



Israeli Expert: Plane Could Have Been Sabotaged at Airport

Newsmax - Sunday, 01 Nov 2015


A Russian airliner that crashed in Egypt’s Sinai peninsula k*****g all 224 people on board appears to have broken up in midair, scattering debris over several kilometers of rugged terrain, according to senior aviation officials who visited the crash site.

Parts of the crashed jet fell over an area about 8 kilometers long and 4 kilometers wide (5 miles long by 2.5 miles wide), Alexander Neradko, the head of the Russian Federal Aviation Authority, said in an interview with Rossiya-24 state television. Evidence suggests the plane broke apart at high altitude, he said. Viktor Sorochenko, executive director of the Interstate Aviation Committee, which includes nearly a dozen ex- Soviet states including Russia, gave a similar appraisal while saying it was too early to say what had caused the disaster, according to Interfax.

The Metrojet Airbus A321 crashed on Saturday just 23 minutes after taking off from the Red Sea resort of Sharm El- Sheikh, bound for St. Petersburg. Egyptian officials have indicated technical issues were the cause, and have dismissed a claim of responsibility issued by the Islamic State’s Sinai affiliate. The flight’s “black box” recorders have been recovered and are being studied.

Egypt’s President Abdel-Fattah El-Sisi said the investigation must be allowed to run its course. “Let’s not jump to conclusions,” El-Sisi said in televised comments. Egypt doesn’t “have a problem cooperating with the different sides to find out the t***h,” he said.

His call for patience came amid conflicting reports about the plane’s condition, and questions about preliminary indications it was wildly fluctuating in altitude in the final seconds of the flight. Amid the uncertainty, several airlines diverted their aircraft from the area, at least temporarily.

Islamic State (ISIS)

Egyptian and Russian officials have largely discounted the possibility that the Islamic State was able to shoot down the jetliner, which had reached its cruising altitude of 31,000 feet, given the group’s limited capability and access to the weaponry that would require. Former Israeli national security adviser Yaakov Amidror, an army reserves general, however, said “other scenarios also have to be considered, especially the possibility that the plane was sabotaged at the airport before taking off.”

Debris was scattered over a wide arc in central Sinai’s remote Al-Hassana area, about 60 kilometers south of the city of Al-Arish, where security forces have been waging a concerted fight against militants. Authorities have recovered at least 173 bodies, according to Egypt’s state-run Al-Akhbar newspaper, with most already t***sferred to Cairo’s main morgue. A flight carrying the bodies of 100 of those who died is expected to leave for Russia this evening, Interfax reported.

Midair breakups are very unusual on large airliners and have almost always been linked to some extreme event, such as a terrorist bomb or a significant structural failure, according to accident investigation experts.

“It’s very rare with a modern airplane,” said Steve Wallace, former chief of the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration’s crash investigation division.

Flight Protections

Airbus builds its planes with computerized flight protections designed to prevent pilots from accidentally losing control, making it even more unlikely, said John Cox, chief executive officer of aviation consultant Safety Operating Systems.

Previous airliner midair breakups include Pan Am Flight 103, which fell from the sky over Scotland on Dec. 21, 1988, after a terrorist bomb exploded in a cargo hold; and TWA Flight 800, which blew apart over the ocean when its fuel tank exploded on July 17, 1996, soon after departing from New York.

An Airbus team, along with the Russian officials, arrived in Egypt. The country’s Civil Aviation Ministry issued a statement saying Egypt had the necessary equipment and expertise to carry out the investigation and the analysis of the black box data.

Information gleaned from the devices -- one of which records cockpit conversations while the other tracks the route and monitors equipment aboard the flight -- could prove pivotal in determining the cause of the crash of an aircraft that had been in service for about 18 years.

Investigation Committee

Russian authorities set up an investigation committee that’s studying all possible reasons for the crash, Interfax reported, citing the body’s spokesman Vladimir Markin. Investigators have taken possession of all documentation regarding the downed plane from the airline. Authorities also banned Metrojet A321 flights.

The co-pilot’s former wife told Russia’s NTV channel that her husband had been worried about the aircraft’s technical condition. While Egyptian Civil Aviation Minister Hossam Kamal said the pilot hadn’t made an SOS call, the Dubai-based Al- Arabiya satellite channel reported he had sought permission to land at a nearby airport.

Air France, the French unit of Air France-KLM Group, Deutsche Lufthansa AG, Emirates Airlines and Fly Dubai said they would avoid flying over the Sinai area until the cause of the crash is known.

Flight paths came under public scrutiny following the downing of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 in July 2014 over eastern Ukraine, an area some airlines skirted because of fighting between government troops and pro-Russian separatists. Investigators said that crash, which k**led 298 people, was caused by a missile.

In its final seconds Saturday, the Metrojet plane appeared to be bucking wildly, abruptly climbing and descending before communication was lost, according to unverified data from FlightRadar24.com, which tracks flight routes. At times it dropped as fast as 6,000 feet per minute, only to reverse and climb even faster, repeating that pattern several times. It also slowed dangerously. In the final 24 seconds before losing contact, it dropped to 71 miles per hour from 470 mph, according to the data. Jetliners such as the Airbus 321 can’t stay aloft at such a speed.

Speed Loss

Two other accidents occurred with Airbus aircraft climbing sharply before losing speed and falling. In June 2009, an A330 operated by Air France went down in the Atlantic Ocean and in December 2014, an A320 operated by Air Asia Bhd. crashed in the Java Sea.

The A320 family is Airbus’s most popular plane, a single- aisle, twin-engine type that allowed the company to create a global duopoly with Boeing Co. for large passenger aircraft. The A321 is the longest variant.

The plane, operated by Metrojet since 2012 and produced in 1997, had logged about 56,000 flight hours over the course of nearly 21,000 flights, according to a statement from Blagnac, France-based Airbus.

Metrojet isn’t attributing the crash to human error, Interfax reported, citing Oksana Golovina from Tourism Holding & Consulting, which owns Kogalymavia, as the carrier is known in Russia.

http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/russian-jet-sabotage-airport/2015/11/01/id/700056/#ixzz3qNDultjX
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Nov 2, 2015 19:51:03   #
Don G. Dinsdale Loc: El Cajon, CA (San Diego County)
 
There you go...
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JFlorio wrote:
I can understand why ISIS might take credit if a U.S. Airliner went down. All Obama would do is draw a line in the sand turn tail and run but Putin will kick ass.

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Nov 3, 2015 02:51:38   #
Scoop Henderson Loc: The Rez, (I am from Egypt)
 
JFlorio wrote:
I can understand why ISIS might take credit if a U.S. Airliner went down. All Obama would do is draw a line in the sand turn tail and run but Putin will kick ass.


Party line of State run American media is that a heat flash was detected by a USA satellite indicating an explosion on board...Hell Yes..
No way could it have been a Hawk missle. Lying, four flushing sacks.

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Nov 3, 2015 09:36:11   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
ISIS has no missile that would reach 30,000 feet. Looks like they planted something on board.
Scoop Henderson wrote:
Party line of State run American media is that a heat flash was detected by a USA satellite indicating an explosion on board...Hell Yes..
No way could it have been a Hawk missle. Lying, four flushing sacks.

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Nov 3, 2015 09:45:45   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
JFlorio wrote:
I can understand why ISIS might take credit if a U.S. Airliner went down. All Obama would do is draw a line in the sand turn tail and run but Putin will kick ass.


I'm beginning to think that Obama abandoned his line in the sand because he actually has information that it was the rebels who actually gasses those civilians in Syria. As to Putin, we are still waiting to see him "kick ass" as so many have claimed he would.

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Nov 3, 2015 10:01:18   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
You act like you have some insight into the National Security structure of the government. I've noticed from Hillary's lies to Obamas blunders you speculate some wild reason they were right . You are nothing but a sycophant or troll.
nwtk2007 wrote:
I'm beginning to think that Obama abandoned his line in the sand because he actually has information that it was the rebels who actually gasses those civilians in Syria. As to Putin, we are still waiting to see him "kick ass" as so many have claimed he would.

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Nov 3, 2015 10:15:01   #
Scoop Henderson Loc: The Rez, (I am from Egypt)
 
JFlorio wrote:
ISIS has no missile that would reach 30,000 feet. Looks like they planted something on board.


Their Saudi financiers do.
Oh yippee, Egyptian news says that Russian dudes have snagged 2 Americans in Yemen concerning this. Is your back yard bomb shelter at the ready?

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Nov 3, 2015 11:04:34   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
JFlorio wrote:
You act like you have some insight into the National Security structure of the government. I've noticed from Hillary's lies to Obamas blunders you speculate some wild reason they were right . You are nothing but a sycophant or troll.


Just disagree and give a reason for your disagreement. Keep the name calling to yourself.

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Nov 3, 2015 11:13:31   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Not long ago you made some outlandish reason Hillary lied about the video, admitting she lied but made an excuse for her. Now you are doing the same for Obama's foreign policy failures. You think that maybe the rebels gassed the people. Wouldn't we have confirmed that? If the name fits. You know the rest. I am amused that you Obama administration supporters are having to make up stories now to defend you're leaders. Good luck with that.
nwtk2007 wrote:
Just disagree and give a reason for your disagreement. Keep the name calling to yourself.

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Nov 3, 2015 12:36:03   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
JFlorio wrote:
Not long ago you made some outlandish reason Hillary lied about the video, admitting she lied but made an excuse for her. Now you are doing the same for Obama's foreign policy failures. You think that maybe the rebels gassed the people. Wouldn't we have confirmed that? If the name fits. You know the rest. I am amused that you Obama administration supporters are having to make up stories now to defend you're leaders. Good luck with that.


Putin obviously thinks they or ISIS did. You hard right wingers always claim others are drinking the Koo-laid, believing everything they hear. Now here you are believing everything the Obama administration says about this. Right.

The rockets which carried the nerve gas don't have the range to have come from where it was claimed they did. Experts estimate that the greatest distance these rockets could have carried that payload was 2 km. The nearest Syrian controlled base is a much greater distance than that.

Just how stupid would we look if that was done by the US backed rebels trying to get us more involved? And Obama abandoned his red line in the sand. You see, Obama is even more stupid than you right wing, anti-Obamites realize.

There are folks who have come forward as witness to it but it just doesn't get any press. Hmm.

The only thing I have said about Clinton is that in her email to her daughter she said the B******i attack was by an Al Qaeda-like group. There are many, all heavily armed. Don't be so blind in your belief of what yarn is being spun by the press or this administration.

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Nov 3, 2015 21:04:40   #
JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida
 
Somewhere you got very confused if you think I believe much this administration puts out.
nwtk2007 wrote:
Putin obviously thinks they or ISIS did. You hard right wingers always claim others are drinking the Koo-laid, believing everything they hear. Now here you are believing everything the Obama administration says about this. Right.

The rockets which carried the nerve gas don't have the range to have come from where it was claimed they did. Experts estimate that the greatest distance these rockets could have carried that payload was 2 km. The nearest Syrian controlled base is a much greater distance than that.

Just how stupid would we look if that was done by the US backed rebels trying to get us more involved? And Obama abandoned his red line in the sand. You see, Obama is even more stupid than you right wing, anti-Obamites realize.

There are folks who have come forward as witness to it but it just doesn't get any press. Hmm.

The only thing I have said about Clinton is that in her email to her daughter she said the B******i attack was by an Al Qaeda-like group. There are many, all heavily armed. Don't be so blind in your belief of what yarn is being spun by the press or this administration.
Putin obviously thinks they or ISIS did. You hard... (show quote)

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Nov 3, 2015 21:43:51   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
JFlorio wrote:
Somewhere you got very confused if you think I believe much this administration puts out.


Just checking.

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