jackbat638

I am just an older guy who is s**k of the gov bureaucrats trying to take our guns and steal money from our social security funds !!!

jackbat638

Sorry guys this is posted in wrong place, I am just learning the site .

mongo Loc: TEXAS

Welcome jackbat638. You're welcome to join in with like minded posters, being one of them myself.

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Dummy Boy Loc: Michigan

Good luck, making young people care about YOUR personal issues....LOL.

CowboyMilt

Well you raise an interesting point anyway & one most Americans are interested in. When Soc Sec started it was meant to be self sustaining & the Government "borrowed" from it & never paid back. Now they call it an entitlement which it shouldn't be it was funded from pay roll deductions & was our earned money...The taking away of our guns is a ploy by the Muslim socialist c*******t One Order i***t to make us subservient to the Tyrant & WE THE PEOPLE have got to fight to hold on to our 2nd Amendment. To keep us like our fore fathers intended, in the position of protection from Tyrany!

JMHO Loc: Utah

Okay, you'll probably won't like this response. First of all, I am on SS, and so is my wife. SS was never intended to be a stand alone retirement fund...it was intended to be used as a supplemental fund for one's later years. The fund grew quickly at first because only one out of 16 workers were retiring, and drawing out SS retirement funds. Now, we have about 2 workers per retiree paying into the system. If the average SS recipient draws SS benefits for 7-8 years, he/she has drawn out everything they ever paid in plus interest. People are living longer now, many well up in their 80s and 90s, drawing more in SS (and Medicare) benefits than they ever paid in. Currently $885B comes out of the budget for SS annually, and the program has something like $14.5T in unfunded liabilities...medicare is even worse. SS and Medicare needs reforming, the age needs to be raised for future retirees, some benefits need to be means tested, some benefits need to be reduced, and some privatization needs to be presented for future participants. Of course, any one currently in the system, or within ten years of eligibility should be exempt. So far, only the Republican candidates have had the guts to even mention SS/Medicare reform. I'm not trying to rain anyone's parade, I'm just sayin'.

no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun

Welcome to OPP. Since it is Halloween and everyone is pretending that they are scary why don't you go as the Ghost of Years Gone By when Christmas carols could be sung in school, children said the Pledge of Allegiance , Nativity scenes could be placed in the town square without requiring an homage to Satan be next to them, and God Bless America was a statement of love towards ones country not a curse My wife and I will go as a long time monogamous married heterosexual couple and scare everyone half to death. Sounds like fun doesn't it?.

Rufus Loc: Deep South

:thumbup: Welcome. There are many of us here who agree with you. The govt. is out of control, run by liars and thieves and corrupt through and through at every level. This is why we would not ratify the Constitution without adding the 2nd Amendment. For times just like these when the govt. is tyrannical and our enemy. This is a good time to stock up on ammo. It is cheap and plentiful right now. There is also a new type of ammo out that shreds tissue, which may seem like overk**l, but if the govt. or anyone else is coming after your family it may be necessary.

Dummy Boy Loc: Michigan

You know when this message comes from me, I am accused of being a c*******t...so thanks for your input.

JMHO Loc: Utah

Yeah, I know. You do get a bad rap at times, for telling the t***h.

Dummy Boy Loc: Michigan

...You and I have a far bigger clue about SSA than anyone on this site...it always meanders into the government and what they can't do. What people don't understand is:

1. To balance the current liabilities, benefits will be curbed to ensure solvency.

2. The government can take away the benefit any time, but it isn't up to the president. I'm tired of him threatening that the GOP is going to prevent the checks from coming. Congressional budget battles have nothing to do with whether recipients get their checks or not.

JMHO Loc: Utah

:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: We agree.

PZG1225 Loc: Florida

I also agree with Dummy....was beginning to wonder if he could respond without vitriol. Good job DB! And I'm not being sarcastic! :thumbup: :thumbup:

Dummy Boy Loc: Michigan

Well, just stick it out. He and I worked for the government, therefore we have some skin in the game.

S.S. benefits are not really a right (even if you have paid into the system), in that they CAN change the rules. Under Reagan, rules were changed to create solvency, since it was at incredible risk of insolvency. I think if no one had objected, it probably would have been dissolved. It was created during a time that we really needed to make sure that for those who couldn't save that they at least had a revenue stream. Really, if it had been up to Reagan he probably would have started weening people off of it and forced everyone into 401K or 403b plans instead SSA benefits. It was clear, which is ACCURATELY stated by many people on this site, that the money is borrowed. I couldn't tell you what amount or deficit is contributed by paying to service the debt for the SSA, but the borrowers (the various departments) pay 4% interest on the money.

If you look at municipal liabilities such as the entire state of Illinois,

-- City of Hillview, Ky.
-- City of Detroit, Mich.
-- City of San Bernardino, Calif.
-- City of Stockton, Calif.
-- Jefferson County, Ala.
-- City of Central Falls, R.I.

Who created unrealistic or fictitious investment returns, it is no wonder that the white house pumped tons of money into the stock market.

The picture becomes quite clear. I understand that public servants such as police and firefighters have a dangerous job, but making gobs of money upon retirement isn't fair to the taxpayer. I didn't make gobs of money when I was in the Navy, why should public servants hold cities hostage for better pay?

JMHO Loc: Utah

Good post...especially the part about Reagan. People forget the hard times people were going through in the time that SS was initiated...it was the depression, and coming out of it. The majority of the population had no money. Some of my fondest memories are of listening to the stories about the depression from both sets of my grandparents...they essentially had nothing, no savings, no retirement, etc. SS was enacted to give them something, but it was never intended to be a sole lone retirement system.