PeterS

The thing that has always bothered me about religion and god is the illogic. For example. God supposedly created the universe so that we would have a home from which we could prove ourselves worthy to either be accepted into heaven or to be deemed unworthy and be sent to hell. That's all well and good but why did he need to create a universe to do that? I mean, after all, all we need is a planet, a moon, and a sun--throw in some planets just to keep us entertained. All the rest is useless add ons that do nothing with respect to heaven or hell. Now I know god is suppose to be mysterious and all that crap but I don't think he is stupid so why create a universe where none was needed.

Like I say, my problem with god is the logic--there isn't any--and personally, I think if a god did exist he wouldn't be illogical. Cuz that just wouldn't make any sense would it...

reconreb Loc: America / Inglis Fla.

Your post proves you belive in God , otherwise you would not pose the question,, your real problem is with PeterS !!

Ve'hoe

Yeah,,,,, I read my bible pretty closely,,,, never saw where it commanded you to "prove" gods existence........ I am wondering whom he is trying to convince,,,,because in my educated mind,,, there isnt any illogic...

Theo Loc: Within 1000 miles of Tampa, Florida

You are simply applying the logic to the wrong end of the equation.

Consider. What is God? Scripture teaches us "God is love."
Consider: Who does God love? Scripture teaches us He loves us.
Consider: Who did He love prior to creation? Scripture teaches us there was no one upon whom God could spend His love.
Consider: So God being "Love" and there being no one upon whom He could expend Himself, and having no one to reciprocate, created being capable of great love, but with limited access to eternity until such time as our love can be sorted and categorized as "good," as opposed to "self."

Being made in God's image, Man is capable of comprehending love, and even participating in "Love" that is wholesome and right. But we can also involve ourselves in corrupted values resulting in "self" love, leading to all kinds of mischief.

This world is a teaching opportunity; it is a learning opportunity; and it is a testing opportunity. But it only works if we understand, the testing is not so God will know, it is so we will know where our shortcomings are. It is so we can have time to correct our errors, learn in order to eliminate ignorance, and interact in order to love, which make us more like our maker.

God gave us freewill because he did not want robots who cannot do anything other than follow the program. He wants reciprocal love, not commanded love. His love for us is the cause of our love for Him.



Well have you considered what eternity will consist of for Humans who make it? Some think we will spend eternity singing God's praises. I think differently.

Consider: When did God begin creating?
IN THE BEGINNING!

God is a God of industry, in a ratio of six to one; i.e., created six days, rested on the seventh. I think we will be given an enormous opportunity to emulate Him in whose image we are made; we will be given an opportunity to "create" our own version of reality, with living reacting beings, so we can share with them, who and what we are.

God has said "I have said YE ARE GODS unto whom the word of God came." And Jesus quoted this and added "And the scripture cannot be broken," thus assuring us of the t***h of the statement.

So in order to emulate our maker, we will make. In order to Emulate His love, we will love. And there is no better love than reciprocated Love. And "no greater love, than that a man will give his life for a friend."

This is simply telling us that living a life is good, but giving that life for another is better. It is the ultimate in selflessness; of which God is the ultimate selfless one who shared with His creation, all the potential in the Universe.

I want a part in that.

It is not a lack of logic that drives doubt, it is the lack of focus upon the purpose of that logic. And we are the ultimate result of that purpose that resides within the heart of God.

Zephaniah 3:17 "The LORD thy God in the midst of thee is mighty; he will save, he will rejoice over thee with joy; he will rest in his love, he will joy over thee with singing."

I am familiar with choir singing, and singing with voices without instruments of music. And some of it is almost unworldly in beauty - but still, I do so desperately want to hear God singing over my victory in Him.

And you wonder at the logic of our love for God? THAT is illogical.

Think about it! God spends the Old Testament introducing us to who and what He is. But in the New testament, He introduces us to who and what WE are. "Ye are Gods...and the scripture cannot be broken." And He then proceeds to tell us how to become Gods.

I think that is pretty logical, and very wondrous indeed.

Workinman Loc: Bayou Pigeon

Peter I looked it up and this is the best answer I can find.

Why Did God Create Humanity?

Why did God create humanity? To love Him? To serve Him? To glorify Him? The real answer to this question may surprise you.


by Greg Brezina

When the question “Why did God create humanity?” is asked, the same answers seem to surface. Some say, “God was motivated to create humanity so that they would love Him.” Their belief is based upon the greatest commandment, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart...”

Others say, “God created humanity to serve Him.” And they usually quote the great commission. Thus, we often hear the cliché “We are saved to serve.”

Along with God creating humanity to love and to serve Him, some add “God created man to obey Him.”

Still others say that God was motivated to create humanity to get glory. They quote I Corinthians 10:31b which says, “…wh**ever you do, do all to the glory of God.” Strong’s Concordance defines the word glory as “giving praise.” Thus, to glorify God is to tell Him how great He is. This leads some to incorrectly say that God has the world’s greatest ego.

It is important that we love God, because loving God is something humanity was designed to do, but that is not why He ultimately created us. To say that God created humanity to love Him is to insinuate that God has an unmet love need.

It is also important to serve God, but that also is not why He created us. Scripture specifically states that He is not “…served by human hands…”

Obedience to God is important, but that is not why He created us either. To say that God created man to obey Him is to assume that He has some sort of perverted need to hold power over people and boss them around.

Humanity has been designed to give God glory, but that again is not why He created us. God did not create humanity because He needed His ego built up.

God has no unmet need. He is sufficient within Himself. God is the giver. Man is the receiver. Scripture says that it is God who gives “life and breath and all things….” God does not need humanity, but humanity needs God, “…for in Him we live, and move, and have our being….”

God commands us to love, serve, obey and glorify God for our benefit. The only way we can experience health and wholeness is by spontaneously loving, serving, obeying, and glorifying Him.

Then why did God create humanity? The use of an analogy will assist us in answering this question. But please keep in mind that an analogy comparing God to man will be inadequate in some ways. So let’s focus on the aspects of the analogy that can assist us.

As a healthy couple is to birthing babies, so is God to creating humanity. It is an unhealthy couple who says, “Let’s have babies so we will have someone to love us.” “Let’s have children so they will serve us.” “Let’s have children so we can boss them around.” “Let’s have children so we can get praise from their success.”

On the other hand, it is the healthy couple who says, “Because we have an abundance of love in our marriage, let’s share it. Let’s have babies who will look like us, have our life within them, and love like us.

Then they can enjoy an intimate love relationship with us.” It is this couple’s pure love that motivates them to give children life.

In eternity, I imagine God having a holy huddle and saying, “We have such a great life together and an over abundance of love, let’s share it. Let Us make humanity in Our image so that they can love like Us. Then they can enjoy an intimate relationship with Us.”

In the great love chapter, the Apostle Paul says that true love “does not seek its own.” This means that love is not selfish or self-centered. God did not keep His life and love to Himself, but He shared it. He breathed into man the breath of life, and man became a living soul. God created humanity because “He is love,” not for what humanity could do for Him.

So what did humanity do with God’s life and love? Our first parents, Adam and Eve, rejected God’s love and forfeited life.

And what did the God who is love do with selfish humanity? He continued to love them because love “does not take into account a wrong suffered...” We see this love displayed in John 3:16 which says,“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have eternal life.”

Because God is love, He gave humanity life at creation. And after humanity rejected God’s love, He then offered humanity life again through Christ. God continues to offer humanity His life because He still is love - perfect love. He never changes.

When people are drawn to accept God’s offer of love and life in Christ, they are born again and called children of God. The Apostle John affirms this t***h when he writes, “See how great a love the Father has bestowed upon us, that we should be called children of God.” God loves us so much He intimately endears us to Himself by calling us His beloved. We are so completely loved by God that nothing will separate us from Him.

We see this clearly through the words of the Apostle Paul when he says, “Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? But in all these things we overwhelmingly conquer through Him who loved us. For I am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

God loves you completely in Christ! Go ahead drink deeply of this glorious t***h. Gorge yourself with these wonderful words. God loves you completely. Bathe yourself in His unconditional love. Immerse yourself in it. Rest in it. Experience His great love for you to the fullest, and remember God loves you for who you are in Christ not for what you do or have done. Why did God create humanity? He created us because of who He is. He is love.

Theo Loc: Within 1000 miles of Tampa, Florida

Well said!

PeterS

And here all I wanted to know is why god created an entire universe when there was no point to it. Silly me...

Workinman Loc: Bayou Pigeon

Sorry I misunderstood what you were asking for Peter Skeptic....certainly didn't mean to waste your time.

snowbear37 Loc: MA.

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Oliver Loc: Dayton, OH

Who in the world believes, "All the rest is useless add ons.."?

First it shows God's knowledge, His power, and His authority.

Secondly, it gives us the beauty of a starlight night.

Thirdly, "Of the increase of His government and peace there shall be no end...from henceforth even forever." Isaiah 9:7 When God's kingdom (where there is no death or sickness), arrives here on earth it will be forever increasing throughout eternity. So, just to where do you think it will expand?