mwdegutis Loc: Illinois

I’ve been on this forum for a little over two years and although the “discussion” has not always been uplifting for me – shown by my recent minimal participation – please bear with me as even though this is quite lengthy, I believe that it is VERY important and I feel obliged to get this out to as many people as possible.

I feel that it is imperative that you PLEASE start or continue your personal relationship with Jesus Christ and accept/reiterate by faith that he is your savior. For those of you that may not have done this and have a sincere desire to accept and know Jesus, please follow the simple steps below. Shalom!

“When the Son of Man returns, it will be like it was in Noah’s day. In those days before the flood, the people were enjoying banquets and parties and weddings right up to the time Noah entered his boat. People didn’t realize what was going to happen until the flood came and swept them all away. That is the way it will be when the Son of Man comes…” Matthew 24:37-39

Five simple steps:
1. Admit you are a sinner – Romans 3:23 For everyone has sinned; we all fall short of God’s glorious standard.
2. Understand that as a sinner, you will die – Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life through Christ Jesus our Lord.
3. Believe that Jesus died on the cross and was raised from the dead to save you from sin and death – Romans 10:9-11; 13 If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is by believing in your heart that you are made right with God, and it is by confessing with your mouth that you are saved. As the Scriptures tell us, “Anyone who trusts in him will never be disgraced.”… For “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”
4. Receive, in faith through Jesus, his free gift of salvation – Romans 5:1 Therefore, since we have been made right in God’s sight by faith, we have peace with God because of what Jesus Christ our Lord has done for us.
Repent by turning from your old life of sin to a new life in Jesus.

6 Horrific Facts About Hell You’ve Never Been Told
by Jimmy Randolph
God didn’t want you to burn in Hell, that’s why He shed every drop of blood he had. I don’t want you to burn in Hell, that’s why I’m witnessing to you.

“Dear friends, don’t be afraid of those who want to kill your body; they cannot do any more to you after that. But I’ll tell you whom to fear. Fear God, who has the power to kill you and then throw you into hell. Yes, he’s the one to fear.” Luke 12:4-5 (NLT)

What is the purpose and goal of NTEB? One of the main purposes and goals of NTEB is to lead sinners to Christ, help prodigals come home, and to preach and stand for the truth of God’s word in last days of this age. Unfortunately however, there will be some readers of NTEB that will one day awake in a Devil’s Hell. I do not rejoice over this, but it is the sad reality. One of the reasons for this is that the vast majority of professing Christian churches in 2015 are no longer preaching on Hell. It upsets too many people, so most pastors just stopped talking about it. As a result, many people who mistakenly think they are saved because they are "good people will wind up in a place that God never intended for them to go.

Some readers have already predetermined within themselves that they are going to trust in whatever their religion says to the very end, no matter what God’s word has to say about it. Whether it’s commandment keeping for salvation, enduring to the end for salvation, tongue speaking, trusting in lying signs and wonders they’ve “seen”, water baptism regeneration for salvation, etc. Some readers will just simply not believe on the Lord Jesus Christ for salvation. Once again, I do not rejoice over this. Maybe it’s not a reader. Maybe this article gets passed along to a lost relative, friend, or co-worker. Maybe this article gets read right before a lost man or woman goes out to celebrate the Devil’s holiday on the 31st. I don’t know, but I pray that all will come to the Lord Jesus Christ as a broken sinner with no means of justification outside of the blood that Christ shed on Calvary’s cross for them; but this just won’t be the case for everyone. Before you mark me as simply being negative, notice that both Moses and Joshua had similar views about the nation of Israel regarding their eventual refusal to heed God’s word:

“The Lord said to Moses, “You are about to die and join your ancestors. After you are gone, these people will begin to worship foreign gods, the gods of the land where they are going. They will abandon me and break my covenant that I have made with them. Then my anger will blaze forth against them. I will abandon them, hiding my face from them, and they will be devoured. Terrible trouble will come down on them, and on that day they will say, ‘These disasters have come down on us because God is no longer among us!’ At that time I will hide my face from them on account of all the evil they commit by worshiping other gods.” Deuteronomy 31:16-18 (NLT)

“The people replied, ‘We would never abandon the Lord and serve other gods. For the Lord our God is the one who rescued us and our ancestors from slavery in the land of Egypt. He performed mighty miracles before our very eyes. As we traveled through the wilderness among our enemies, he preserved us. It was the Lord who drove out the Amorites and the other nations living here in the land. So we, too, will serve the Lord, for he alone is our God.’ Then Joshua warned the people, ‘You are not able to serve the Lord, for he is a holy and jealous God. He will not forgive your rebellion and your sins. If you abandon the Lord and serve other gods, he will turn against you and destroy you, even though he has been so good to you.’ But the people answered Joshua, ‘No, we will serve the Lord!’” Joshua 24:16-21 (NLT)

If you are saved and reading this, be sure to: a) thank God for your salvation! And, b) be encouraged to witness to those lost around you. Time is so very short.

Here are 6 horrific facts about Hell that you might want to take note of:

Horrific Fact #1 – You didn’t have to go to Hell
I believe that one of the many reasons why God refers to atheists as fools – Psalms 14:1 – is because only a fool would choose to burn in Hell when they didn’t have too. I mean seriously, what the heck are you doing down there?!? Did you not read where the Lord Jesus Christ specifically stated the Hell was prepared for the devil and his angels?

“Then the King will turn to those on the left and say, ‘Away with you, you cursed ones, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his demons.’” Matthew 25:41 (NLT)

Are you the Devil? No. Are you one of the Devil’s angels? No. Then WHAT ARE YOU DOING DOWN THERE?? God didn’t want you to burn in Hell, that’s why He shed every drop of blood he had. I don’t want you to burn in Hell that’s why I’m witnessing to you. The Devil wanted you to burn in Hell, but he couldn’t FORCE YOU to go. Why did you choose to go?? Talk about a mind-boggling question that will hunt you throughout eternity.

Horrific Fact #2 – In Hell, you’ll be a misfit
What do Jacob Taylor Roberts, Elliot Rodger, and Asa Coon all have in common? Well on top of being Atheist active-shooters, all three of them decided to take the cowards’ way out after their mini-murder spree by committing suicide. Many ask why they would commit suicide. That answer is simple in my opinion. In the atheist worldview, after death there’s nothingness. Nothingness is a thousand times better than being a young white or Asian adolescent male in prison these days! You talk about being a misfit! How is a middle-class young male that had just about all the privileges and opportunities in life going to “fit in” with some of the world’s most hardened rapist, career criminals, gang members, serial murderers, habitual abusers, and sadist that are doing life in prison? You think that’s going to be some sort of walk in the park??

In eternity, you’re down in Hell with the Devil and his angels after you were given several chances throughout your life to receive the Lord Jesus Christ as your personal savior. You think you’re going to get along with the devil and his angels down there?? You think you’ll have something in common with them? They were damned since the book of Genesis with no plan of redemption like you had; what will they think of you whom God choose to manifest in the flesh for, paid your price for sins you committed and you refused it?? You’ll be an eternal misfit.

Horrific Fact #3 – You’ll be burning in Hell AT LEAST 1000 years before God judges you
Once again, Rightly Dividing the word of truth shows up – Work hard so you can present yourself to God and receive his approval. Be a good worker, one who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly explains the word of truth (2 Timothy 2:15 NLT). The Great White Throne Judgement does not occur until AFTER the Lord Jesus Christ 1000 year Millennial Reign on earth meaning that you’ll be burning in Hell for AT LEAST 1,000 years before God officially judges you face to face at the White Throne Judgement. Think about a lost sinner going to Hell at the age of 17, 27, 37, 49, 62, 99, or 100. What’s 100 years on this earth compared to at least 1,000 years in Hell! That alone should make to want to repent and come to Christ!

Horrific Fact #4 – Hell is currently located right below your feet; in the heart of the earth
As a lost sinner, do you know what will drop your soul to Hell after you die? It’s called gravity. Your sins have a weight to it – Therefore since we are surrounded by such a huge crowd of witnesses to the life of faith let us strip off every weight that slows us down, especially the sin that so easily trips us up. And let us run with endurance the race God has set before us (Hebrews 12:1 NLT). Your sins burden you down. When you breathe your last breath, that weight of sin is manifested upon your soul – The person who sins is the one who will die. The child will not be punished for the parent’s sins, and the parent will not be punished for the child’s sins. Righteous people will be rewarded for their own righteous behavior, and wicked people will be punished for their own wickedness. (Ezekiel 18:20 NLT) – and your soul plunges down into Hell. You see, death for the lost is not like what the world’s movies show you on television. There are no demons that come up and have to fight with your soul to take you to Hell, it’s not like that. When a lost man dies, gravity continues to do what is always does. There is nothing inside that lost man to bring it up. He’s dead in trespasses and sins. The saved man however DOES have something inside him to bring him up to Heaven!

“But you are not controlled by your sinful nature. You are controlled by the Spirit if you have the Spirit of God living in you. (And remember that those who do not have the Spirit of Christ living in them do not belong to him at all.) And Christ lives within you, so even though your body will die because of sin, the Spirit gives you life because you have been made right with God. The Spirit of God, who raised Jesus from the dead, lives in you. And just as God raised Christ Jesus from the dead, he will give life to your mortal bodies by this same Spirit living within you.” Romans 8:9-11 (NLT)

Horrific Fact #5 – No such thing as annihilation
Contrary to what science, religion, or worldly education has taught you, there is no “nothingness” after death. There is also no such thing as “nothingness” in Hell. Don’t believe the religious heresies that come from Jehovah’s Witness or Seventh day Adventist that teaches you there is no literal fire in Hell and no eternal torment. They are both VERY REAL:

“If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It’s better to enter eternal life with only one hand than to go into the unquenchable fires of hell with two hands. If your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It’s better to enter eternal life with only one foot than to be thrown into hell with two feet. And if your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out. It’s better to enter the Kingdom of God with only one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell, ‘where the maggots never die and the fire never goes out.’” Mark 9:43-48 (NLT)

“Finally, the poor man died and was carried by the angels to be with Abraham. The rich man also died and was buried, and his soul went to the place of the dead. There, in torment, he saw Abraham in the far distance with Lazarus at his side. “The rich man shouted, ‘Father Abraham, have some pity! Send Lazarus over here to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue. I am in anguish in these flames.’ But Abraham said to him, ‘Son, remember that during your lifetime you had everything you wanted, and Lazarus had nothing. So now he is here being comforted, and you are in anguish. And besides, there is a great chasm separating us. No one can cross over to you from here, and no one can cross over to us from there.’ Then the rich man said, ‘Please, Father Abraham, at least send him to my father’s home. For I have five brothers, and I want him to warn them so they don’t end up in this place of torment.’ But Abraham said, ‘Moses and the prophets have warned them. Your brothers can read what they wrote.’ The rich man replied, ‘No, Father Abraham! But if someone is sent to them from the dead, then they will repent of their sins and turn to God.’ But Abraham said, ‘If they won’t listen to Moses and the prophets, they won’t be persuaded even if someone rises from the dead.’” Luke 16:22-31 (NLT)

“Then a third angel followed them, shouting, ‘Anyone who worships the beast and his statue or who accepts his mark on the forehead or on the hand must drink the wine of God’s anger. It has been poured full strength into God’s cup of wrath. And they will be tormented with fire and burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and the Lamb. The smoke of their torment will rise forever and ever, and they will have no relief day or night, for they have worshiped the beast and his statue and have accepted the mark of his name.’ This means that God’s holy people must endure persecution patiently, obeying his commands and maintaining their faith in Jesus.” Revelation 14:9-12 (NLT)

Don’t believe the lie when they say the rich man in Hell was a parable. The Lord Jesus Christ never referred to that as a parable. In Hell you will burn. You will burn good and you will burn forever!

Horrific Fact #6 – God specifically reserves the greater damnation in Hell for false teachers and preachers
“What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you shut the door of the Kingdom of Heaven in people’s faces. You won’t go in yourselves, and you don’t let others enter either. What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you cross land and sea to make one convert, and then you turn that person into twice the child of hell you yourselves are!” Matthew 23:13-15 (NLT)

The greater damnation in Hell doesn’t go to the murderers, pedophiles, sadists, homosexuals, no. God specifically reserves the greater damnation to the unsaved false teachers and preachers. What exactly that is I don’t know, but it’s a greater damnation then just burning in Hell. That is precisely why having the right doctrine is CRITICALLY important. People ask me all the time why the Pre-Time of Jacob’s Trouble catching away vs the Post-trib rapture is such a big deal. It’s a big deal because the Post-trib doctrine teaches that the sinner must “endure to the end” to be saved. This consists of not worshipping the beast or his image, nor getting his name, number, or mark in your forehead or hand. If a sinner trust that as the “plan of salvation” for today, he’ll bust Hell wide open when dies. WORSE YET, if he teaches or preaches that as the plan of salvation to others, he shall receive the Greater Damnation in Hell. The same goes with other false doctrines such as baptismal regeneration, sacraments, commandment keeping for salvation, etc. When it comes to false doctrine, God has ZERO tolerance:

“You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you, for he wrote, ‘These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. Their worship is a farce, for they teach man-made ideas as commands from God.’” Matthew 15:7-9 (NLT)

“Watch out!” Jesus warned them. “Beware of the yeast of the Pharisees and Sadducees.” At this they began to argue with each other because they hadn’t brought any bread. Jesus knew what they were saying, so he said, “You have so little faith! Why are you arguing with each other about having no bread? Don’t you understand even yet? Don’t you remember the 5,000 I fed with five loaves, and the baskets of leftovers you picked up? Or the 4,000 I fed with seven loaves and the large baskets of leftovers you picked up? Why can’t you understand that I’m not talking about bread? So again I say, ‘Beware of the yeast of the Pharisees and Sadducees.’” Then at last they understood that he wasn’t speaking about the yeast in bread, but about the deceptive teaching of the Pharisees and Sadducees.” Matthew 16:6-12 (NLT)

“So Jesus told them, ‘My message is not my own; it comes from God who sent me. Anyone who wants to do the will of God will know whether my teaching is from God or is merely my own. Those who speak for themselves want glory only for themselves, but a person who seeks to honor the one who sent him speaks truth, not lies.’” John 7:16-18 (NLT)

“And now I make one more appeal, my dear brothers and sisters. Watch out for people who cause divisions and upset people’s faith by teaching things contrary to what you have been taught. Stay away from them. Such people are not serving Christ our Lord; they are serving their own personal interests. By smooth talk and glowing words they deceive innocent people.” Romans 16:17-18 (NLT)

“Then we will no longer be immature like children. We won’t be tossed and blown about by every wind of new teaching. We will not be influenced when people try to trick us with lies so clever they sound like the truth. Instead, we will speak the truth in love, growing in every way more and more like Christ, who is the head of his body, the church. He makes the whole body fit together perfectly. As each part does its own special work, it helps the other parts grow, so that the whole body is healthy and growing and full of love.” Ephesians 4:14-16 (NLT)

In the end, it all comes down to this. In our dispensation of the Church Age, God has ordained the word to go out by good, old-fashioned, Bible preaching. It's not about "7 Steps to A Better Marriage", or "The 12 Traits of Successful People". It's about JESUS CHRIST, and Him lifted up to draw all men unto Him.

“Preach the word of God. Be prepared, whether the time is favorable or not. Patiently correct, rebuke, and encourage your people with good teaching. For a time is coming when people will no longer listen to sound and wholesome teaching. They will follow their own desires and will look for teachers who will tell them whatever their itching ears want to hear. They will reject the truth and chase after myths.” 2 Timothy 4:2-4 (NLT)

Rufus Loc: Deep South

:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: Good post. What is NTEB?

mwdegutis Loc: Illinois

It is a website called, "Now The End Begins."

Rufus Loc: Deep South

Thank you.

iFrank Loc: San Antonio

Great post on the Word, the time is here for those who don't want to listen, just run distractions and post contradiction. I'm glad you got it down pact.

fiatlux

The notion of hell is a highly disputable matter. You should look into it.

mwdegutis Loc: Illinois

You have claimed to be a Christian but some of your comments lead me to believe that you’re a CINO because so many things you say contradict the bible. Case in point…

Question: "Is hell real? Is hell eternal?" – gotQuestions.org
Answer: It is interesting that a much higher percentage of people believe in the existence of heaven than believe in the existence of hell. According to the Bible, though, hell is just as real as heaven. The Bible clearly and explicitly teaches that hell is a real place to which the wicked/unbelieving are sent after death. We have all sinned against God (Romans 3:23). The just punishment for that sin is death (Romans 6:23). Since all of our sin is ultimately against God (Psalm 51:4), and since God is an infinite and eternal Being, the punishment for sin, death, must also be infinite and eternal. Hell is this infinite and eternal death which we have earned because of our sin.

The punishment of the wicked dead in hell is described throughout Scripture as “eternal fire” (Matthew 25:41), “unquenchable fire” (Matthew 3:12), “shame and everlasting contempt” (Daniel 12:2), a place where “the fire is not quenched” (Mark 9:44-49), a place of “torment” and “fire” (Luke 16:23-24), “everlasting destruction” (2 Thessalonians 1:9), a place where “the smoke of torment rises forever and ever” (Revelation 14:10-11), and a “lake of burning sulfur” where the wicked are “tormented day and night forever and ever” (Revelation 20:10).

The punishment of the wicked in hell is as never ending as the bliss of the righteous in heaven. Jesus Himself indicates that punishment in hell is just as everlasting as life in heaven (Matthew 25:46). The wicked are forever subject to the fury and the wrath of God. Those in hell will acknowledge the perfect justice of God (Psalm 76:10). Those who are in hell will know that their punishment is just and that they alone are to blame (Deuteronomy 32:3-5). Yes, hell is real. Yes, hell is a place of torment and punishment that lasts forever and ever, with no end. Praise God that, through Jesus, we can escape this eternal fate (John 3:16, 18, 36).

iFrank Loc: San Antonio

Hell is the place of the dead as in not living spiritually, often translated the grave. Hell is quoted more than heaven in the Bible-KJV, and is hades, #7585= the world of the dead, as if a subterranean retreat, its accessories and inmates, The grave, pit. In Matt 11:23 it's the word #86 and has a negative particle= unseen, the place of departed souls, grave, hell. In 2 Peter 2:4 states, "For if God spared not the Angels that sinned, but cast them down to "tartares", and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgement." This hell translated Tartares is #5020 and is the deepest abyss of hades, to incarcerate in external torment, cast down to hell, and is the prison of the fallen angels who rebelled against God. In Rev. 20:13 is #86, and that everyone is accountable for their own sins. The Bible in the KJV is not disputable if you Rightly Divide the Word of Truth.

fiatlux

To make what you said in any way relevant would be to first prove the existence of hell. No such proof exists. It is a highly disputable question. As striking terror in the hearts of Conservatives is their basic energy drink, from which spews hate for all not in the tribe of the particular sect, a caution seems necessary. Do not condemn.

Rufus Loc: Deep South

We know hell exists because Jesus has told us so. God cannot lie. Once you truly know the Father then you will know truth. The Bible says, " If you abide in my word, then you shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free." Abiding in His Word means following Him. Those of us who are truly saved are indwelt by the Holy Spirit. Those who are not indwelt by the Holy Spirit are not saved and are at a great disadvantage knowing or discerning truth. They are blind to truth. They think and say things they do not know or understand. To us who believe, we know beyond any shadow of a doubt that hell exists.

iFrank Loc: San Antonio

To make it relevant in your mind to prove the existence of hell? You must be reading a bible transliterated from the devil himself, because he would tone down any reason to believe in hell. That strategy is working. No proof exist in your eyes, so in your opinion, you have no proof that it doesn't exist. You should abandon your version of your bible and get on the straight path to knowledge. You need a fresh and different angle into the "Word of God". You error here on this post and on many others, people try to steer you to the right side of the boat.
Isa 24:18 paraphrasing, The noise of the fear is what you don't want to hear - hell. The pit is what happens when you deny Gods Word. When you come out of the midst of the pit, ye shall be taken in the snare. The windows #699 is an ambush, to make good for nothing, bad, bring evil doer, punish, vex, do worse. The bible studying persons here on OPP are not part of a sect, that's what you are in, since most of your posts are proof of your sect. A division by choice on your part. A caution belongs to you as a warning from people who don't want to see you fall into that pit, evil will snare you. Matt 15:14 is about the blind leading the blind, Blind #5185 = is opaque, physically or mentally blind.

fiatlux

If you are open, I will show you how none of the passages you mentioned relate to an actual hell. Game?

fiatlux

Truth demands an open mind. When I get this knee-jerk response that I am wrong and then get heaps of judgment, I get the sense I am right.

Rufus Loc: Deep South

Truth does not demand an open mind. Truth is truth regardless of whether you believe it or not. Maybe you responded to the wrong person because there was nothing knee jerk about my response. I took my time and tried to be thoughtful about my response to you. I quoted some scripture because it is truth. I have noticed though that you expend an awful lot of energy to not believe in God's truth. I wonder if maybe you are on drugs. I have also noticed most of the time the things you say are against God and God's people. I wish you would actually spend some of that energy seeking truth and seeking God. Your own personal ideas of what truth are seem to always miss the mark of reality. Just because you think something should be a certain way has nothing to do with truth or reality. God's truth is eternal. God's ways are higher than your ways. God's wisdom is higher than your wisdom. I realize you refuse to accept Him but do you ever wonder what the real truth is? I would think you would at least be curious to know the truth rather than trying to create your own flawed sense of truth or reality. Maybe not.

mwdegutis Loc: Illinois

:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: