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Sep 18, 2013 14:57:18   #
loyds1000
 
mmccarty12 wrote:
I do not think anyone will dispute the fact that c*****e c****e occurs. It is evidenced by the changes we anecdotally observe in our own lifetimes and what science has observed and measured. There was observational and measurable evidence in the early 1970s that g****l c*****g was occurring. Did the greenhouse gases in the atmosphere suddenly decline and then eventually start accumulating again.

What is in dispute in man's hand in the whole global c*****e c****e debate. There are too many people out there who believe man is at fault for everything, but do not take into consideration the number of active volcanoes pumping those same gases into the atmosphere above the surface of the oceans and below. Is man the cause of the volcanoes? Or do volcanoes exist where there is a separation between the tectonic plates.

Oh, wait, all the mining that man does throughout the world destabilizes the earth's crust and is causing the problems of volcanoes. Yep, man is so powerful he can effect the tectonic plates themselves. Nice try, but I think not. Remember, volcanoes existed long before man came into the picture and will exist until such time as the core of the Earth cools completely.

So, there are other natural forces out there, much more powerful than man will probably ever be, that effect the atmosphere of this planet, including that big yellow ball in the daytime sky.

Anyone foolish enough to believe man is the sum total cause of global c*****e c****e is so arrogant and self important they cannot see the t***h regardless how simplistic you make it for them.
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G****l c*****g was never accepted scientific hypothesis. Take a look in the library databases (University level), you'll find nothing. It was only something that Time or Newsweek picked up on that was found to be incorrect. Do a little research (just a little) and you will easily confirm what I just said. That is why you stick with peer review publications.

Greenhouse gases have been rising steadily and that is a fact. Global mean temperatures have been rising steadily and that is a fact. I have heard nothing about mining causing shifts in tectonic plates and earth quakes. I know they think small-scale local tremors may be associated with fracking in some cases, but have not yet found proof of it. You are right that volcanoes can result in massive injections of greenhouse gases and aerosols into the atmosphere. The super-volcanoes (like the one in Yellowstone) would have a huge impact.

But, right now, human activity emits a little less than100 times the CO2 into the atmosphere than volcanic activity does. http://www.usgs.gov/newsroom/article.asp?ID=2827&from=rss_home


That big yellow ball in the sky in the daytime. It is called the sun and it is the source of almost all energy on the planet. The output has changed very little since the 1978. The increase in solar activity accounts for less than 10% in the enhanced greenhouse effect. Sunspots occur that change the output a little in fairly regular cycles that are well known - SCIENTISTS actually discovered this quite a while ago. These are know and accounted for, along with volcanic activity, but they do not explain the increase in mean global temperature we have experienced to date. Human emissions do.

Anyone foolish enough to believe we can alter our atmosphere without consequences is arrogant and self-important, and is willfully ignorant preferring to stick their head in the sand rather so that they cannot see the t***h regardless how simplistic you make it for them. Pull your head out of the sand and actually read some science to try to understand rather than have the BS fed to you by political blog sites. Don't be so lazy!

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Sep 18, 2013 18:39:54   #
AnnMarie Loc: Madison, Wi
 
carolyn wrote:
The ice caps in the Artic has grown by 60% instead of almost completely melting during the year 2013, which was predicted by the fear mongers led by the great Al Gore. And the cyclical trend is supposed to continue cooling for the next several years. So it is doubtful that Mr. Gore and his crooked buddies will get rich from dealing in carbon credits as they had planned, eh?


Ok..Even in your short (in a geologic sense) lifetime, have you not noticed that winters are warmer than when you were a kid? That forest fires are more common, storms are worse, that pictures of Memorial Day ceremonies from right after the civil war show budding trees, and today the trees are totally leafed out on Memorial Day. Animal habitats are changing, Glaciers are mostly retreating, although some are advancing, on average they are losing ice at an incredible pace. You need to listen to scientists on this subject, NOT talk show hosts or oil company executives. This is very serious. This month's National Geographic is on this subject, and is an interesting (if very sobering) read. The gulf of Mexico at the end of the next century is going to be near Fayetteville, AK. Florida, which is mostly built on limestone and very porous, is pretty much a lost cause. The Miami professor who was consulted for the article said he was looking for a g****l w*****g denier to buy his house. You are being used as a tool by the energy companies to spread doubt so they do not need to mitigate the damage caused by burning f****l f**ls. Please read more about this subject, you children, if not you, will be affected.

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Sep 18, 2013 18:41:10   #
AnnMarie Loc: Madison, Wi
 
AnnMarie wrote:
Ok..Even in your short (in a geologic sense) lifetime, have you not noticed that winters are warmer than when you were a kid? That forest fires are more common, storms are worse, that pictures of Memorial Day ceremonies from right after the civil war show budding trees, and today the trees are totally leafed out on Memorial Day. Animal habitats are changing, Glaciers are mostly retreating, although some are advancing, on average they are losing ice at an incredible pace. You need to listen to scientists on this subject, NOT talk show hosts or oil company executives. This is very serious. This month's National Geographic is on this subject, and is an interesting (if very sobering) read. The gulf of Mexico at the end of the next century is going to be near Fayetteville, AK. Florida, which is mostly built on limestone and very porous, is pretty much a lost cause. The Miami professor who was consulted for the article said he was looking for a g****l w*****g denier to buy his house. You are being used as a tool by the energy companies to spread doubt so they do not need to mitigate the damage caused by burning f****l f**ls. Please read more about this subject, your children, if not you, will be affected.
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Sep 18, 2013 18:46:45   #
AnnMarie Loc: Madison, Wi
 
carolyn wrote:
The ice caps in the Artic has grown by 60% instead of almost completely melting during the year 2013, which was predicted by the fear mongers led by the great Al Gore. And the cyclical trend is supposed to continue cooling for the next several years. So it is doubtful that Mr. Gore and his crooked buddies will get rich from dealing in carbon credits as they had planned, eh?


NOPE, Untrue, g****l w*****g is real, and her is the true story.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2013/09/10/climate_change_sea_ice_global_cooling_and_other_nonsense.html

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Sep 18, 2013 18:49:34   #
AnnMarie Loc: Madison, Wi
 
loyds1000 wrote:
G****l c*****g was never accepted scientific hypothesis. Take a look in the library databases (University level), you'll find nothing. It was only something that Time or Newsweek picked up on that was found to be incorrect. Do a little research (just a little) and you will easily confirm what I just said. That is why you stick with peer review publications.

Greenhouse gases have been rising steadily and that is a fact. Global mean temperatures have been rising steadily and that is a fact. I have heard nothing about mining causing shifts in tectonic plates and earth quakes. I know they think small-scale local tremors may be associated with fracking in some cases, but have not yet found proof of it. You are right that volcanoes can result in massive injections of greenhouse gases and aerosols into the atmosphere. The super-volcanoes (like the one in Yellowstone) would have a huge impact.

But, right now, human activity emits a little less than100 times the CO2 into the atmosphere than volcanic activity does. http://www.usgs.gov/newsroom/article.asp?ID=2827&from=rss_home


That big yellow ball in the sky in the daytime. It is called the sun and it is the source of almost all energy on the planet. The output has changed very little since the 1978. The increase in solar activity accounts for less than 10% in the enhanced greenhouse effect. Sunspots occur that change the output a little in fairly regular cycles that are well known - SCIENTISTS actually discovered this quite a while ago. These are know and accounted for, along with volcanic activity, but they do not explain the increase in mean global temperature we have experienced to date. Human emissions do.

Anyone foolish enough to believe we can alter our atmosphere without consequences is arrogant and self-important, and is willfully ignorant preferring to stick their head in the sand rather so that they cannot see the t***h regardless how simplistic you make it for them. Pull your head out of the sand and actually read some science to try to understand rather than have the BS fed to you by political blog sites. Don't be so lazy!
G****l c*****g was never accepted scientific hypot... (show quote)


Thanks so much for that post. We all need to be concerned about c*****e c****e

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Sep 18, 2013 19:21:48   #
Oldguy Loc: Deep east Texas Big Thicket country
 
AnnMarie wrote:
True story?? From a liberal rag?? You've got to be kidding me.

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Sep 18, 2013 19:44:35   #
bmac32 Loc: West Florida
 
Yeah but I needed a good laugh. Northwest Passage is completely blocked.



Oldguy wrote:
True story?? From a liberal rag?? You've got to be kidding me.

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Sep 18, 2013 20:11:29   #
Doug Rodrigues
 
Oldguy wrote:
True story?? From a liberal rag?? You've got to be kidding me.


Lets refer to the "expert" on Man Caused G****l W*****g:" Al Gore. 20 years ago Al Gore said that if we didn't do something about the CO2 levels, in 10 years the oceans would be 20 feet higher. What happened? The oceans didn't rise, but the believers still believe? That belief defines stupidity.

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Sep 18, 2013 23:04:44   #
Voice of Reason Loc: Earth
 
Doug Rodrigues wrote:
Lets refer to the "expert" on Man Caused G****l W*****g:" Al Gore. 20 years ago Al Gore said that if we didn't do something about the CO2 levels, in 10 years the oceans would be 20 feet higher. What happened? The oceans didn't rise, but the believers still believe? That belief defines stupidity.


Even the UN IPCC has had to admit there's been no warming for the last 15 years. None of the models predicted that and none of the alarmists can explain it. To any normal person, that would indicate the models are wrong.

AGW is not science, it is religion. Those who stubbornly cling to it do so despite all the facts, not because of them.

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Sep 18, 2013 23:06:47   #
loyds1000
 
Doug Rodrigues wrote:
Lets refer to the "expert" on Man Caused G****l W*****g:" Al Gore. 20 years ago Al Gore said that if we didn't do something about the CO2 levels, in 10 years the oceans would be 20 feet higher. What happened? The oceans didn't rise, but the believers still believe? That belief defines stupidity.


Al Gore is not a scientist. e is not an "expert" on the subject of g****l w*****g relative to climatologists who are educated in the field and have researched the subject. He is a politician and a spokesman to increase awareness of the subject. If your panties are in a wad because Al Gore has drawn attention to the subject, ignore him and look at NASA, the USGS, NOAA the National Academy of Sciences, or any other scientific organization. The all say the same thing. i know believing in conspiracy theories is 'in vogue' in the conservative part of the GOP, but common, this is stupid even for the ultra-conservatives!

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Sep 18, 2013 23:13:53   #
Tasine Loc: Southwest US
 
AnnMarie wrote:
Thanks so much for that post. We all need to be concerned about c*****e c****e

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Given that climates have been changing, warming,cooling, warming, cooling etc since time began I'm not sure what you expect man to be so great as to do about it. Do you people never read anything except fairytales?

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Sep 18, 2013 23:27:12   #
carolyn
 
AnnMarie wrote:
Ok..Even in your short (in a geologic sense) lifetime, have you not noticed that winters are warmer than when you were a kid? That forest fires are more common, storms are worse, that pictures of Memorial Day ceremonies from right after the civil war show budding trees, and today the trees are totally leafed out on Memorial Day. Animal habitats are changing, Glaciers are mostly retreating, although some are advancing, on average they are losing ice at an incredible pace. You need to listen to scientists on this subject, NOT talk show hosts or oil company executives. This is very serious. This month's National Geographic is on this subject, and is an interesting (if very sobering) read. The gulf of Mexico at the end of the next century is going to be near Fayetteville, AK. Florida, which is mostly built on limestone and very porous, is pretty much a lost cause. The Miami professor who was consulted for the article said he was looking for a g****l w*****g denier to buy his house. You are being used as a tool by the energy companies to spread doubt so they do not need to mitigate the damage caused by burning f****l f**ls. Please read more about this subject, you children, if not you, will be affected.
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I do not notice that winters are warmer now than they were when I was a kid. I can remember cycles when they were, but I can also remember cycles when they weren't. I can remember when the river that flowed through my home town would freeze solid for a couple of winters, then would not freeze at all for several more winters. The first time I can remember it freezing solid was around 1947 or 1948. Then it froze solid again around 1956, and the following year. I was gone from there until 1984, and it froze that winter of 1984-1985. Other years it was rather warm and we had relatively little snow. So I cannot say that there is any set pattern as far as the weather being warmer now than it was many years ago when I was a child. But weren't record cold temps recorded for the Eastern part of the U.S. the last 3 or 4 years? Wasn't that when Mr. Gore and his cohorts decided they had better start calling it" c*****e c****e" instead of "g****l w*****g?"

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Sep 18, 2013 23:48:52   #
carolyn
 
AnnMarie wrote:


How can you say, without any doubt, that this is true? How can anyone say for a certainty that earth is warming to a danger level when we are still having near record cold temperatures scattered over the world. And if one would only remember the 1940's- 50's and early 60's when every American city was nothing but a smoke-hole of pollution so bad that when one drove through them at mid-day, they had to operate their windshield wipers to see to drive. Check and see how many times the Cuyahoga River in Cleveland, Ohio actually caught fire and burned. And how lake Erie was considered a dead lake because only Carp and other rough fish could live in it's polluted waters. Check and see how many years all the major rivers on the East Coast were so polluted that they were thought to be lost as anything but a waterway for riverboats and barges.

No, I do not believe in g****l w*****g as some would have us believe to line their pockets with the almighty dollar. Just check and see how much money your great liar Al Gore has made by using this scare tactic and anyone should see the purpose behind this charade.

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Sep 19, 2013 00:16:58   #
Doug Rodrigues
 
loyds1000 wrote:
Al Gore is not a scientist. e is not an "expert" on the subject of g****l w*****g relative to climatologists who are educated in the field and have researched the subject. He is a politician and a spokesman to increase awareness of the subject. If your panties are in a wad because Al Gore has drawn attention to the subject, ignore him and look at NASA, the USGS, NOAA the National Academy of Sciences, or any other scientific organization. The all say the same thing. i know believing in conspiracy theories is 'in vogue' in the conservative part of the GOP, but common, this is stupid even for the ultra-conservatives!
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Al Gore has also increased his financial worth from 2 million to now over 100 million dollars with his Carbon Credets Company pushing this G****l W*****g S**m. See my post above about the "believers."

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Sep 19, 2013 00:37:08   #
Tasine Loc: Southwest US
 
carolyn wrote:
How can you say, without any doubt, that this is true? How can anyone say for a certainty that earth is warming to a danger level when we are still having near record cold temperatures scattered over the world. And if one would only remember the 1940's- 50's and early 60's when every American city was nothing but a smoke-hole of pollution so bad that when one drove through them at mid-day, they had to operate their windshield wipers to see to drive. Check and see how many times the Cuyahoga River in Cleveland, Ohio actually caught fire and burned. And how lake Erie was considered a dead lake because only Carp and other rough fish could live in it's polluted waters. Check and see how many years all the major rivers on the East Coast were so polluted that they were thought to be lost as anything but a waterway for riverboats and barges.

No, I do not believe in g****l w*****g as some would have us believe to line their pockets with the almighty dollar. Just check and see how much money your great liar Al Gore has made by using this scare tactic and anyone should see the purpose behind this charade.
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