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“Muslims Have the Right to Lie in a Good Cause”—Paki President to Reagan
By Raymond Ibrahim on October 7, 2015 in Islam, Study Corner
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Ronald Reagan and Zia ul-Haq

Ben Carson recently created controversy by warning against the Muslim doctrine of taqiyya, which allows Muslims to deceive non-Muslims. I already addressed the accuracy of Carson’s statements here, and the media’s attempts to discredit him here.

Soon thereafter, Daniel Pipes, the president of the Middle East Forum, brought an interesting anecdote to my attention.

Back in the 1980s, Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq, the president of Pakistan, explained to Ronald Reagan how it was no problem for the Pakistanis to sign the Geneva agreements and yet continue supplying weapons to the Afghan jihadis (“freedom fighters”) combating the Soviet Union.

Why wasn’t it a problem? According to Zia, “We’ll just lie about it. That’s what we’ve been doing for eight years.” He added, “Muslims have the right to lie in a good cause.” (From the Cold War to a New Era: The United States and the Soviet Union, 1983-1991, p.280. Image below)

Compare this casual statement from the president of a Muslim nation with the claims of UCLA’s Abou El Fadl, whom the Washington Post’s Glenn Kessler quoted at length in an effort to prove Carson wrong about taqiyya. According to the Muslim professor, “there is no concept that would encourage a Muslim to lie to pursue a goal. That is a complete invention.”

So which Muslim do you believe? The strong and secure Muslim who said that “Muslims have the right to lie in a good cause” — in this case, jihad against “infidels.” Or the Muslim minority surrounded by American “infidels” who claims that there is “no concept that would encourage a Muslim to lie to pursue a goal”?

Apparently it never occurred to the WaPo’s Kessler that El Fadl himself may have been exercising, in Zia’s words, his Muslim “right to lie in a good cause” — in this case, to prevent Americans from ever being suspicious of Muslim individuals and organizations in the U.S.


It is well known that the Koran tells Muslims to lie for the advancement of Islam and the glory of Allah. To deny that is being foolish, gullible, or more likely, it is to be a co-conspiritor in the current Jihad

Ronald Hatt Loc: Lansing, Mich

[quote=no propaganda please]“Muslims Have the Right to Lie in a Good Cause”—Paki President to Reagan
By Raymond Ibrahim on October 7, 2015 in Islam, Study Corner
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Ronald Reagan and Zia ul-Haq

Ben Carson recently created controversy by warning against the Muslim doctrine of taqiyya, which allows Muslims to deceive non-Muslims. I already addressed the accuracy of Carson’s statements here, and the media’s attempts to discredit him here.

Soon thereafter, Daniel Pipes, the president of the Middle East Forum, brought an interesting anecdote to my attention.

Back in the 1980s, Muhammad Zia-ul-Haq, the president of Pakistan, explained to Ronald Reagan how it was no problem for the Pakistanis to sign the Geneva agreements and yet continue supplying weapons to the Afghan jihadis (“freedom fighters”) combating the Soviet Union.

Why wasn’t it a problem? According to Zia, “We’ll just lie about it. That’s what we’ve been doing for eight years.” He added, “Muslims have the right to lie in a good cause.” (From the Cold War to a New Era: The United States and the Soviet Union, 1983-1991, p.280. Image below)

Compare this casual statement from the president of a Muslim nation with the claims of UCLA’s Abou El Fadl, whom the Washington Post’s Glenn Kessler quoted at length in an effort to prove Carson wrong about taqiyya. According to the Muslim professor, “there is no concept that would encourage a Muslim to lie to pursue a goal. That is a complete invention.”

So which Muslim do you believe? The strong and secure Muslim who said that “Muslims have the right to lie in a good cause” — in this case, jihad against “infidels.” Or the Muslim minority surrounded by American “infidels” who claims that there is “no concept that would encourage a Muslim to lie to pursue a goal”?

Apparently it never occurred to the WaPo’s Kessler that El Fadl himself may have been exercising, in Zia’s words, his Muslim “right to lie in a good cause” — in this case, to prevent Americans from ever being suspicious of Muslim individuals and organizations in the U.S.


[b] It is well known that the Koran tells Muslims to lie for the advancement of Islam and the glory of Allah. To deny that is being foolish, gullible, or more likely, it is to be a co-conspiritor in the current Jihad[/quote]

Muslim's, can "lie" anywhere they 'want to", but "not in America"!

Let them "lie" somewhere else!

Let them immigrate "anywhere else but America"! We don't need even "one" Muslim, here that won't obey our Constitution, & our laws.....!...........{ GOT THAT.....BATH HOUSE BARRY?}......................................... :hunf:

Ronald Hatt Loc: Lansing, Mich

Won't be long now.......It's 'going to happen"!

They forced our hand, & now, they can;t stop it! The "Ruskies", will pave the way, & we'll finish the job, "without" the help of radical Libturds!

This will definitely take a man of courage, not cowardice........A man of International courage, & integrity, not "shame & degradation".....earned by groveling at the feet of our enemies!

America......if you "ever" elect another "gutless, foreign agent", bent on our destruction........{ BATH HOUSE BARRY}........"you" deserve what you get!.............................................

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