AARRGG--Your narrow and pedestrian minds are killers
Oct 8, 2015 01:33:52 #
Oct 8, 2015 07:48:46 #
fiatlux wrote:
Not a single Christian can get outside the box, if just for a moment.
It's confirmation bias they suffer from. Constructing a mental picture of the world that one wants and confirming at church once a week is all they need.
Oct 8, 2015 08:23:55 #
fiatlux wrote:
Not a single Christian can get outside the box, if just for a moment.
If that means staying "in the box" of Elohim's grace vs. getting out, I'll choose to remain there.
Oct 9, 2015 01:33:51 #
fiatlux wrote:
Now, there's a statement full of mystery and intrigue.Not a single Christian can get outside the box, if just for a moment.
How do we measure the fact that this poster cannot possible know that every Christian is in some sort of undefined "box"? Always amusing when someone with a major cob up her ass makes such a sweeping statement and leaves it hanging in thin air.
Oct 9, 2015 01:55:02 #
Dummy Boy wrote:
It's confirmation bias they suffer from. Constructing a mental picture of the world that one wants and confirming at church once a week is all they need.
Exactly. I would wager that the vast majority are unaware many of their most cherished, and for them inviolable, beliefs are highly disputed. The Rapture, the Sabbath, the Law, the Trinity, and other questions are not settled and have good arguments against them. Truth should be of the utmost importance to them yet most have a knee-jerk reaction to anything they do not have in their limited belief system.
Oct 9, 2015 01:57:50 #
mwdegutis wrote:
If that means staying "in the box" of Elohim's grace vs. getting out, I'll choose to remain there.
Opening to grace and the Holy Spirit in examining everything is what I am talking about but instead your belief gets a little bump and you start looking for a vat to boil some oil.
Oct 9, 2015 02:03:56 #
Blade_Runner wrote:
Now, there's a statement full of mystery and intrigue.
How do we measure the fact that this poster cannot possible know that every Christian is in some sort of undefined "box"? Always amusing when someone with a major cob up her ass makes such a sweeping statement and leaves it hanging in thin air.
How do we measure the fact that this poster cannot possible know that every Christian is in some sort of undefined "box"? Always amusing when someone with a major cob up her ass makes such a sweeping statement and leaves it hanging in thin air.
Good point, ouch. Not all Christians; I should have narrowed the comment to most Christians here. I present an argument, with scripture, they answer back I am a false prophet, or something worse, and never argue point-by-point with scripture, against what I said. Saying "Na-na-nana-na" serves nothing.
Oct 9, 2015 03:40:00 #
fiatlux wrote:
I'm still waiting for a description of this "box" that we are supposed to be in.Good point, ouch. Not all Christians; I should have narrowed the comment to most Christians here. I present an argument, with scripture, they answer back I am a false prophet, or something worse, and never argue point-by-point with scripture, against what I said. Saying "Na-na-nana-na" serves nothing.
Oct 12, 2015 00:42:33 #
Blade_Runner wrote:
I'm still waiting for a description of this "box" that we are supposed to be in.
The "box" is belief, pure and simple. Belief, to most Christians, is everything. The problem? Belief is nothing.
Oct 15, 2015 00:57:06 #
fiatlux wrote:
OK, if you have some sort of supreme knowledge of what is truth, let's hear it. What are you some kind of Catholic prog, or some such thing? Talk about knee-jerk reactions.Exactly. I would wager that the vast majority are unaware many of their most cherished, and for them inviolable, beliefs are highly disputed. The Rapture, the Sabbath, the Law, the Trinity, and other questions are not settled and have good arguments against them. Truth should be of the utmost importance to them yet most have a knee-jerk reaction to anything they do not have in their limited belief system.
Oct 15, 2015 03:07:28 #
Blade_Runner wrote:
OK, if you have some sort of supreme knowledge of what is truth, let's hear it. What are you some kind of Catholic prog, or some such thing? Talk about knee-jerk reactions.
An example of Belief:
A fellow with a love of music and talent for instruments BELIEVES he can be a Rock Star. One day he is signed to a multi-million dollar contract, his album goes platinum, and he is standing on a stage center-field in Yankee Stadium in front of an approximate 100,000 adoring fans: of what use is his belief now?
Beliefs can only be servants to actuality of being and even then they are poor servants. What does it serve to believe in the tale of Noah? Because the Bible tells us so? Where in the Bible does it say we must believe in that tale? Is it the nature of God or the author we are learning about? Getting the eyes to see was central to the message of Jesus. What are we to see? "You have heard it said but..." should give us significant pause. Then he gives us seven mixed-metaphors of the kingdom of heaven. Metaphors? Why not be clear and set it in stone. "The kingdom of heaven IS..." But he does not do that. He says, "The kingdom of heaven is LIKE..." Why?
Oct 15, 2015 14:29:25 #
fiatlux wrote:
Because human language is finite, it has severe limitations in its ability to convey an understanding of infinite things. Try comprehending the infinity of space. How would you put into words an accurate description of something with no end? Describe, as best you can, a one-ended stick.An example of Belief: br br A fellow with a love ... (show quote)
Metaphors are very useful in providing a relative mind with a broader understanding of unfathomable things. Metaphors, among other such tools, are used quite often in literature and writing.
Within the limitations of human language, there is no way that Jesus could have provided clear picture of Heaven.
Oct 16, 2015 00:34:33 #
Blade_Runner wrote:
Because human language is finite, it has severe li... (show quote)
The kingdom of heaven is not heaven; it is life on earth. That was my point: Jesus did not set life here in stone but gave approximations, likenesses, to that life.
Oct 16, 2015 04:46:51 #
fiatlux wrote:
Ah yes, the old Heaven on Earth thingy. So, where is it? Here on earth, I mean? If you can find it somewhere, please, let us know.The kingdom of heaven is not heaven; it is life on earth. That was my point: Jesus did not set life here in stone but gave approximations, likenesses, to that life.
Oct 16, 2015 08:36:26 #
Blade_Runner wrote:
Because human language is finite, it has severe li... (show quote)
It is so great that you are making excuses for your faith.... so are you saying that the authors of the bible were not inspired by God? It is so amazing just how stupid you assume God is. Why would it be so hard to explain and if it is are you making it hard. Why isn't it sufficient to say that in heaven you won't have to worry about your health or fear worshiping God. Why do I have understand heaven doesn't include bowel movements or painful joints. Why does the bible need interpreting. The bible was written by men for men and women.
Pride is getting in the way. If believing was sufficient for Noah, then it's sufficient enough for me.
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