bmac32 Loc: West Florida

Any slam dunks last night?

For me Carly Fiorina clearly won with two others waking up, with Marco Rubio and Chris Christie coming alive. Donald Trump looked like a 'me man', watch and listen to his adjectives. Ben Carson didn't have that slam dunk moment but I really don't debating is his strong suit.

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

In the first debate which was actually much better due to the smaller size I thought Jindal won. Second debate was Fiorina, Rubio and Christie. We agree.

bmac32 Loc: West Florida

I have a hard time calling this a debate, more like 'ask and answer' with others chiming in with their two cents worth.

Loki Loc: Georgia

I agree. I think that Fiorina and Rubio came across best. Perhaps Christie, but since I dislike him, I really shouldn't judge him, as my opinion would be colored by my personal dislike.
There are simply too damn many of them. Maybe if the debates were broken up into a couple more smaller ones, to give people more of a chance to get to know the candidates. I think that would be damaging to Bush and Kasich. Maybe to Trump. He says what people want to hear, especially about the wetback invasion. Cruz actually has a track record. Carson did better, I thought, than a lot of people gave him credit for. He comes across as kind of imperturbable.

bmac32 Loc: West Florida

The whole group need to be broke into two, two hour sessions back to back. I really expect some to drop out here soon.

SamDawkins

Trump showed his weakness with regards to foreign policy. He also struggles whenever asked adout specifics. Though he made a good point about the 22nd amendment in regards to birthright citizenship (sadly). I actually liked John Kasich, and was pleasantly surprised by Rand Paul. Ben Carson is out of his league. Carly Fiorina would have at war with Russia and Iran within weeks of being in the White House. She is scary, but I really loved the way she crushed "the Donald " LOL! . Marco Rubio is really slick and polished. Thankfully Scott Walker didn't get talk much. I really don't like him.

There really are just to many of them. While on the Democratic side there are way to few .

That's my two cents worth.

Hope everyone is having a good day.

Loki Loc: Georgia

I would like to revise my opinion. I just became aware of Carly Fiorina's support for birthright citizenship for the children of i******s. As far as I am concerned, that finishes her as a candidate I will consider.

jetson

What I see is the media, after seeing Bush sink, are now pushing Carly. I see they have jumped on Carly's band wagon now. Another dumb move in my book . When I look at the latest top 10 pollsters, on the Huffington Post Pollister, she is running around 2% to 3%. ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX and the rest of the bias media, keep telling all of us, she is really coming up fast. Why don't they just report the news and stop trying to force their views and opinions on us.

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

Loki you are one of the more astute posters on OPP. I listened to Carly and didn't think she was for birthright citizenship as much as she explained how complicated changing the ammendmant would be. However; if she is for it that would be a disqualifier for me. I believe she was trying to point out Trump doesn't understand the process.

Loki Loc: Georgia

There is no need to change the Amendment. The Amendment does NOT grant automatic citizenship to the children of wetbacks.
The author of the citizenship clause was Senator Jacob Howard of Michigan. He specifically stated in his comments that the Amendment was to guarantee full citizenship rights to former s***es only. He specifically said it was not intended to grant citizenship to Indians, to children of diplomatic personnel, and children of those in the country illegally. Go to the key phrase, "subject to the jurisdiction thereof." The author of the damn thing said that the people I mentioned, which includes wetbacks and their brats are not considered "subject to the jurisdiction thereof,"because they are citizens of a foreign nation. This is why Indians were not allowed citizenship until 1924. They were considered citizens of their Indian nations, and not citizens "subject to the jurisdiction thereof. While the Supreme Court has never ruled, per se, on this issue, in two of it's cases, Elk v Wilkins 1884, and US v Wong Kim Ark 1898, it did skirt the subject.
One of the findings of Elk v Wilkins was that John Elk, an Indian, was not a citizen because he was considered a foreigner, a citizen of his Indian nation and not subject to the jurisdiction of the US, in the same sense that a citizen is. Elk was born to 2 non-citizens, and was considered a non-citizen himself, and this was 14 years after the ratification of the 14th Amendment.
In US v Wong Kim Ark, the court ruled that Wong Kim was a citizen, by virtue of being born in this country to parents who were here LEGALLY. Proponents of birthright citizenship neglect that last little codicil.
In 1982, Justice Warren Burger offered a personal opinion that children of i******s had citizenship, but it was never taken up by the Court, and a personal opinion by one Justice has no legal value whatsoever.

Democrats support birthright citizenship because they see an unending pool of poorly educated v**ers who will work for bulls**t wages and v**e overwhelmingly Democratic.
Republicans are in the pockets of the same business interests that own the Democrats also.
The Amendment has 5 sections. The fifth section gives Congress the authority to amend or change the legislation. Anyone who claims it will take a constitutional Amendment is full of s**t.

Loki Loc: Georgia

Point of order. the 22nd Amendment is the one that limits the president to two terms. The Fourteenth is the one that is in question.

SamDawkins

Thank you for the correction. It's been a long day.

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

Read it and you are correct. Obama has proved along with the chicken s**t Republicans that the Constitution does not have to be followed. Cruz would be the one to fight this the most effectively in my opinion.

Loki Loc: Georgia

Tell me about it. I can barely stay awake.

interestedparty

Carly, Hmmnn: "Secretar-iate" of State! Just a thought.