However, what many Christians who insist on having the American flag in their churches worship spaces dont realize isits unpatriotic. Unless, of course, they intend to say it is symbolizes their highest loyaltyeven above Jesus Christ. Of course, I fear that is indeed the case on some churches although they would probably deny it. To the extend they deny it, they are contradicting themselves by having the flag in the worship space.
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A good friend of mine who is a former Marine and expert on the etiquette of the U.S. flag recently informed me that the U.S. flag ought never to be flown in submission. I engaged him in conversation about this and learned that, according to American flag etiquette (yes, there are people who specialize in that), it is okay to fly the U.S. flag upside down (as a signal of distress), at half mast (mourning) and alongside other national flags in certain spaces such as at the United Nations headquarters in New York. But it is never okay to fly it in submission to something elsefor example lower than another flag in the same space. According to my friend who is also a scholar of Christian worship and has taught graduate level course in Christian worship for many years, having the U.S. flag in any worship space is wrong because it is being flown in submissionto God.
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fiatlux wrote:
However, what many Christians who insist on having the American flag in their churches worship spaces dont realize isits unpatriotic. Unless, of course, they intend to say it is symbolizes their highest loyaltyeven above Jesus Christ. Of course, I fear that is indeed the case on some churches although they would probably deny it. To the extend they deny it, they are contradicting themselves by having the flag in the worship space.
Heres why
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A good friend of mine who is a former Marine and expert on the etiquette of the U.S. flag recently informed me that the U.S. flag ought never to be flown in submission. I engaged him in conversation about this and learned that, according to American flag etiquette (yes, there are people who specialize in that), it is okay to fly the U.S. flag upside down (as a signal of distress), at half mast (mourning) and alongside other national flags in certain spaces such as at the United Nations headquarters in New York. But it is never okay to fly it in submission to something elsefor example lower than another flag in the same space. According to my friend who is also a scholar of Christian worship and has taught graduate level course in Christian worship for many years, having the U.S. flag in any worship space is wrong because it is being flown in submissionto God.
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http://www.patheos.com/blogs/jesuscreed/2015/09/01/the-american-flag-in-the-church/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+PatheosJesusCreed+%28Blog+-+Jesus+Creed%29However, what many Christians who insist on having... (
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There's a reason why God hated Easu its because he didn't honor his heritage, God loves when people are dedicated to their country, where they are born. A U.S. flag in Church shows God where they stand. Now an American flag on a vehicle that was made or sponsored from a heathen country is worst, like Japan who worships other gods, but people don't have the foggiest notion on the offense, allies that fought against tyranny are alright in my opinion, like England, Canada, etc. God is serious and when you don't buy American but support "one world" agendas that shows everyone you're not patriotic and you don't think God takes notice. You need to study to be shown approved.
fiatlux wrote:
However, what many Christians who insist on having the American flag in their churches worship spaces dont realize isits unpatriotic. Unless, of course, they intend to say it is symbolizes their highest loyaltyeven above Jesus Christ. Of course, I fear that is indeed the case on some churches although they would probably deny it. To the extend they deny it, they are contradicting themselves by having the flag in the worship space.
Heres why
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A good friend of mine who is a former Marine and expert on the etiquette of the U.S. flag recently informed me that the U.S. flag ought never to be flown in submission. I engaged him in conversation about this and learned that, according to American flag etiquette (yes, there are people who specialize in that), it is okay to fly the U.S. flag upside down (as a signal of distress), at half mast (mourning) and alongside other national flags in certain spaces such as at the United Nations headquarters in New York. But it is never okay to fly it in submission to something elsefor example lower than another flag in the same space. According to my friend who is also a scholar of Christian worship and has taught graduate level course in Christian worship for many years, having the U.S. flag in any worship space is wrong because it is being flown in submissionto God.
Cut and paste from:
http://www.patheos.com/blogs/jesuscreed/2015/09/01/the-american-flag-in-the-church/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+PatheosJesusCreed+%28Blog+-+Jesus+Creed%29However, what many Christians who insist on having... (
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I couldn't agree more, a friend of mine from Germany pointed this out. Our founders would be absolutely aghast.....
iFrank wrote:
There's a reason why God hated Easu its because he didn't honor his heritage, God loves when people are dedicated to their country, where they are born. A U.S. flag in Church shows God where they stand. Now an American flag on a vehicle that was made or sponsored from a heathen country is worst, like Japan who worships other gods, but people don't have the foggiest notion on the offense, allies that fought against tyranny are alright in my opinion, like England, Canada, etc. God is serious and when you don't buy American but support "one world" agendas that shows everyone you're not patriotic and you don't think God takes notice. You need to study to be shown approved.
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You obviously did not bother to go to that site suggested; your comments lack knowledge.
Dummy Boy wrote:
I couldn't agree more, a friend of mine from Germany pointed this out. Our founders would be absolutely aghast.....
"Our founders would be absolutely aghast": no, I think not. One of their main objectives was to insure this was not a Christian Nation.
fiatlux wrote:
You obviously did not bother to go to that site suggested; your comments lack knowledge.
Do you disregard God's Truths because of False Words, you are unaware and suggestion are man thoughts not Gods. You are in the risk of Judgement, if you continue in sugarcoating your version instead of the KJV. Of your own interpretation of His Word,(don't you understand)you prove that no matter what you suggest, His Word will will TRUMP your soul, then you'll be crying " mountain fall on me". Come on PERSON, WONT YOU COME TO Christ, He's the one, the Good guy left that can let you into heaven. Leave the sixth trump
To Satan If you must. Trust God and will He will wipe every tear-memorie from our memories. That's in the Bible if you don't know;Let no one decider the bible for you unless he's a Christian. The truth is clear, never cast your pearls... Never listen to false prophets- Nuff said.
You're so called suggestions are deflecting from this site, are you against God,.... Becaref how you answer, please. Frank.
fiatlux wrote:
"Our founders would be absolutely aghast": no, I think not. One of their main objectives was to insure this was not a Christian Nation.
I agree that we are not a Christian Nation, that's why our founders would a ghast. Tell the other clowns on this site and you'll get a shit storm of; "..Christian Persecution" or "...the nation was founded on Christian Principles demagoguery". I couldn't agree more, we are "at best" a nation of Christians.
iFrank wrote:
There's a reason why God hated Easu its because he didn't honor his heritage, God loves when people are dedicated to their country, where they are born. A U.S. flag in Church shows God where they stand. Now an American flag on a vehicle that was made or sponsored from a heathen country is worst, like Japan who worships other gods, but people don't have the foggiest notion on the offense, allies that fought against tyranny are alright in my opinion, like England, Canada, etc. God is serious and when you don't buy American but support "one world" agendas that shows everyone you're not patriotic and you don't think God takes notice. You need to study to be shown approved.
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...however if the whole world converted to Christianity that would be a "one world" agenda, why is that better or palatable? Who says?
Dummy Boy wrote:
...however if the whole world converted to Christianity that would be a "one world" agenda, why is that better or palatable? Who says?
That's a good one, it's ok you follow your way and we will follow our Way.
iFrank wrote:
That's a good one, it's ok you follow your way and we will follow our Way.
Well your WAY is shrinking fast....
Proper USA flag etiquette demands that our flag is not subservient to any power. If we put the flag in church, we are saying one of two things: the flag is higher than God or we violate protocol by making the flag subservient to God: both are unacceptable.
fiatlux wrote:
Proper USA flag etiquette demands that our flag is not subservient to any power. If we put the flag in church, we are saying one of two things: the flag is higher than God or we violate protocol by making the flag subservient to God: both are unacceptable.
Those are traditions of man, Mark 7:6-9, because the "standard" ( flag ) is in the Bible, like the 12 Tribes each had a banner "Yahaveh Nissi is my Banner" Exodus 17:15 that's one of many Title names Gods has. A Banner is a flag. I'll post the many other Titles God has in a post since I looked it up already.
iFrank wrote:
Those are traditions of man, Mark 7:6-9, because the "standard" ( flag ) is in the Bible, like the 12 Tribes each had a banner "Yahaveh Nissi is my Banner" Exodus 17:15 that's one of many Title names Gods has. A Banner is a flag. I'll post the many other Titles God has in a post since I looked it up already.
Again, the American flag has no place in church. If you have an argument in favor of posting the flag in church, please present it.
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