Marine Brass, Men Make Better Infantry Riflemen...
Sep 11, 2015 18:14:02 #
Don G. Dinsdale
Loc: El Cajon, CA (San Diego County)
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Marine Corps Study: Male Infantry Units Outperform Units With Females
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By Greg Richter | Thursday, 10 Sep 2015
A Marine Corps study has found that ground units made up only of men perform better than units with men and women.
According to the study released Thursday, women were injured twice as often as men, aren't as accurate at shooting and have a harder time removing wounded troops from the battlefield.
The study found that women who had been through infantry target school were less accurate at hitting targets with M4 rifles than men who had not had the schooling.
Men hit targets 44 percent of the time, while women hit targets only 28 percent of the time.
Men were able to move faster carrying gear than women and could throw their packs over a wall, whereas women had to have help getting their gear over.
The study didn't only compare men to women individually, but also compared how units made up only of men compared to units integrated with men and women.
The all-male units beat the mixed units on 69 percent of the 134 tasks studied. The integrated teams were better at two machine gun-related tasks, while all units fared equally in the rest of the tasks.
Men hit targets 44 percent of the time, while women hit targets only 28 percent of the time.
Men were able to move faster carrying gear than women and could throw their packs over a wall, whereas women had to have help getting their gear over.
The study didn't only compare men to women individually, but also compared how units made up only of men compared to units integrated with men and women.
The all-male units beat the mixed units on 69 percent of the 134 tasks studied. The integrated teams were better at two machine gun-related tasks, while all units fared equally in the rest of the tasks.The males' rate of injury to muscles, tendons and ligaments was 18.8 percent. It was 40.5 percent for females.
The Marine Corps has the lowest percentage of women of all the armed services at 7 percent.
Under an Obama administration order, all the armed services are supposed to be fully integrated by 2016 unless waivers for certain jobs have been sought and granted.
"If you were to turn down a request for a waiver like that I guess the political machine in the White House would be saying we dont care about the effectiveness of the ground combat units," California Rep. Duncan H****r, a member of the Armed Services Committee, told USA Today.
((My military time was 1960 - 1964 and yes I was a Sailor, my work at times put me with the "Sea Going Marines" on my ship, so what I'm going to say is dated I'm sure and in no way is meant disrespectful of the lady's, like they (Marines) called me "Swabby", the lady Marines were called "BAMs" = "Broad Ass Marines", it may lose something in the telling to service men and women not of that time, Lady Sailors were "WAVES", join the Navy to ride a WAVE, ha ha ha... Okay I'm old and my "jokes" are dated... If I offended any I apologizes... Don D.))
Gen. Ann Dunwoody: Don't Re-Evaluate Military Standards for Women
By Greg Richter | Monday, 11 May 2015
The U.S. military's first female four-star general doesn't believe standards should be lowered for women, but, in an appearance Monday on Newsmax TV, she suggested some standards may need a second look.
Retired Gen. Ann Dunwoody was asked about the recent end to a two-year experiment by the Marines in which all 29 women who tried out for the Infantry Officer Course failed to finish.
"I do not agree with the re-evaluation for women," Dunwoody told "Hard Line" host Ed Berliner. "I can't speak for the Marine Corps. I'm almost four decades in the Army, but what I can speak to is the standard."
The original plan was to open all of the career fields to women and have the service chiefs and the combatant commanders identify those that they did not think women could qualify for, she said.
What that required was an evaluation of the standards, she said, some being traditional and some actually measuring ability to succeed, pass or serve in each career field.
"Quite frankly, if it's about lowering the standards, this policy will have failed," Dunwoody said. "This is about identifying the standards and then allowing anyone, male or female, who can meet or exceed those standards give them the opportunity to serve."
Dunwoody has written a book, "A Higher Standard: Leadership Strategies from America's First Female Four-Star General," which she said shares leadership tips for anyone, regardless of g****r or profession.
"If you get dissuaded from something you really believe in, something you think you can do, something you're very passionate about, they win," she said. "If people derail you from something you want to do, they win. My message is, if you really believe it, if you really want to do something, then you drive on because you can do it."
Leadership started for her in her family, Dunwoody said. Her father was a war hero who served in World War II, Korea and Vietnam, and her devoutly Catholic mother raised six children while her husband was away in the military.
"Coming from a values-based family with kids, what I realized is when I joined the military.... I was really joined in a values-based organization," she said. "One where you take an oath, one where you are subject to code and military justice, which governs your behavior both in uniform and out of uniform and one of which is full of standards."
As a woman, Dunwoody expected to have to exceed those standards to prove her credibility. "But the reality is that all the good leaders that I served with exceeded those standards," she said.
Good leaders in any profession can and will rise to the top, Dunwoody said.
[Pictures of Gen. Ann Dunwoody]
First Female Four-Star Gen.: Bright Future for Women Soldiers
First Two Female Four Star Generals Ann Dunwoody USA & Janet Wolfenbarger USAF
[Pictures of Gen. Dunwoody & Wolfenbarger]
By Melissa Clyne | Tuesday, 14 Apr 2015
Four-star Army Gen. Ann Dunwoody's journey to become military brass had more to do with her leadership than her g****r, she said Tuesday during an appearance on Newsmax TV's "America's Forum."
"People think I clawed my way to the top in this man's world," she said. "It is timing and it's also about diversifying the field. I'm very excited that there's women and minorities that are now at that level of our government that are competing for president of the United States. I've watched doors open my whole career from lieutenant to general officer."
Dunwoody is the author of "A Higher Standard: Leadership Strategies from America's First Female Four-Star General" and said her g****r has certainly presented hurdles to clear, but she made it clear that her experience was probably not much different than anyone else.
"A lot of people helped me along the way, and I truly believe that's the case in every profession and every career," she said. "There are obstacles, challenges and people that are willing to help you. I talk about some of the challenges I had coming through the ranks and I talk a lot about the people that helped me."
She sees a bright future for women soldiers, who are beginning to join their male counterparts in some of the most elite forces. The key, she said, is getting people to meet the high standards, not lowering them for the sake of inclusion.
"In the Army, we just had six women pass the pre-Ranger training," Dunwoody said. "A lot of it is how we prepare the women to be successful, and for those who are going to do the instruction to also set up for success.
"We cannot lower the standards to accommodate this change. This is a dangerous profession and this is not a social experiment. This is about people who are qualified, capable and have the desire to do something, (to) open a new door and do it to the standard required of our military."
Dunwoody hopes that reading about her experience will "excite" people and motivate them to "dream big and make a difference every day, no matter what profession they're in."
"I hope (the) lessons have broad applications to anyone that wants to be a better leader, because we never stop learning. And I don't believe there's any magic recipe on how to be a good leader or how to be a general. I wouldn't know how to write that book."
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Okay, no jokes, in each branch they have cooks, yeomen, personnelmen, mechanics, etc., but everyone is a war-fighter (rifleman) when needed, granted the front-line guys are better at it than the backroom people, but that's where leadership comes into play, get my point, everyone wasn't crazy enough to be in Rep 8, in a 'Hot-Suit', that's what I did for about have my service, so what the guy (No girls at sea when I was in!) making dinner was just as necessary as I was... Anyway that's how I see the problem, its a non problem if, "they can think out side the box", bad choice of words sorry... Don D.
Marine Corps Study: Male Infantry Units Outperform Units With Females
(Newsmax File Photo)
By Greg Richter | Thursday, 10 Sep 2015
A Marine Corps study has found that ground units made up only of men perform better than units with men and women.
According to the study released Thursday, women were injured twice as often as men, aren't as accurate at shooting and have a harder time removing wounded troops from the battlefield.
The study found that women who had been through infantry target school were less accurate at hitting targets with M4 rifles than men who had not had the schooling.
Men hit targets 44 percent of the time, while women hit targets only 28 percent of the time.
Men were able to move faster carrying gear than women and could throw their packs over a wall, whereas women had to have help getting their gear over.
The study didn't only compare men to women individually, but also compared how units made up only of men compared to units integrated with men and women.
The all-male units beat the mixed units on 69 percent of the 134 tasks studied. The integrated teams were better at two machine gun-related tasks, while all units fared equally in the rest of the tasks.
Men hit targets 44 percent of the time, while women hit targets only 28 percent of the time.
Men were able to move faster carrying gear than women and could throw their packs over a wall, whereas women had to have help getting their gear over.
The study didn't only compare men to women individually, but also compared how units made up only of men compared to units integrated with men and women.
The all-male units beat the mixed units on 69 percent of the 134 tasks studied. The integrated teams were better at two machine gun-related tasks, while all units fared equally in the rest of the tasks.The males' rate of injury to muscles, tendons and ligaments was 18.8 percent. It was 40.5 percent for females.
The Marine Corps has the lowest percentage of women of all the armed services at 7 percent.
Under an Obama administration order, all the armed services are supposed to be fully integrated by 2016 unless waivers for certain jobs have been sought and granted.
"If you were to turn down a request for a waiver like that I guess the political machine in the White House would be saying we dont care about the effectiveness of the ground combat units," California Rep. Duncan H****r, a member of the Armed Services Committee, told USA Today.
((My military time was 1960 - 1964 and yes I was a Sailor, my work at times put me with the "Sea Going Marines" on my ship, so what I'm going to say is dated I'm sure and in no way is meant disrespectful of the lady's, like they (Marines) called me "Swabby", the lady Marines were called "BAMs" = "Broad Ass Marines", it may lose something in the telling to service men and women not of that time, Lady Sailors were "WAVES", join the Navy to ride a WAVE, ha ha ha... Okay I'm old and my "jokes" are dated... If I offended any I apologizes... Don D.))
Gen. Ann Dunwoody: Don't Re-Evaluate Military Standards for Women
By Greg Richter | Monday, 11 May 2015
The U.S. military's first female four-star general doesn't believe standards should be lowered for women, but, in an appearance Monday on Newsmax TV, she suggested some standards may need a second look.
Retired Gen. Ann Dunwoody was asked about the recent end to a two-year experiment by the Marines in which all 29 women who tried out for the Infantry Officer Course failed to finish.
"I do not agree with the re-evaluation for women," Dunwoody told "Hard Line" host Ed Berliner. "I can't speak for the Marine Corps. I'm almost four decades in the Army, but what I can speak to is the standard."
The original plan was to open all of the career fields to women and have the service chiefs and the combatant commanders identify those that they did not think women could qualify for, she said.
What that required was an evaluation of the standards, she said, some being traditional and some actually measuring ability to succeed, pass or serve in each career field.
"Quite frankly, if it's about lowering the standards, this policy will have failed," Dunwoody said. "This is about identifying the standards and then allowing anyone, male or female, who can meet or exceed those standards give them the opportunity to serve."
Dunwoody has written a book, "A Higher Standard: Leadership Strategies from America's First Female Four-Star General," which she said shares leadership tips for anyone, regardless of g****r or profession.
"If you get dissuaded from something you really believe in, something you think you can do, something you're very passionate about, they win," she said. "If people derail you from something you want to do, they win. My message is, if you really believe it, if you really want to do something, then you drive on because you can do it."
Leadership started for her in her family, Dunwoody said. Her father was a war hero who served in World War II, Korea and Vietnam, and her devoutly Catholic mother raised six children while her husband was away in the military.
"Coming from a values-based family with kids, what I realized is when I joined the military.... I was really joined in a values-based organization," she said. "One where you take an oath, one where you are subject to code and military justice, which governs your behavior both in uniform and out of uniform and one of which is full of standards."
As a woman, Dunwoody expected to have to exceed those standards to prove her credibility. "But the reality is that all the good leaders that I served with exceeded those standards," she said.
Good leaders in any profession can and will rise to the top, Dunwoody said.
[Pictures of Gen. Ann Dunwoody]
First Female Four-Star Gen.: Bright Future for Women Soldiers
First Two Female Four Star Generals Ann Dunwoody USA & Janet Wolfenbarger USAF
[Pictures of Gen. Dunwoody & Wolfenbarger]
By Melissa Clyne | Tuesday, 14 Apr 2015
Four-star Army Gen. Ann Dunwoody's journey to become military brass had more to do with her leadership than her g****r, she said Tuesday during an appearance on Newsmax TV's "America's Forum."
"People think I clawed my way to the top in this man's world," she said. "It is timing and it's also about diversifying the field. I'm very excited that there's women and minorities that are now at that level of our government that are competing for president of the United States. I've watched doors open my whole career from lieutenant to general officer."
Dunwoody is the author of "A Higher Standard: Leadership Strategies from America's First Female Four-Star General" and said her g****r has certainly presented hurdles to clear, but she made it clear that her experience was probably not much different than anyone else.
"A lot of people helped me along the way, and I truly believe that's the case in every profession and every career," she said. "There are obstacles, challenges and people that are willing to help you. I talk about some of the challenges I had coming through the ranks and I talk a lot about the people that helped me."
She sees a bright future for women soldiers, who are beginning to join their male counterparts in some of the most elite forces. The key, she said, is getting people to meet the high standards, not lowering them for the sake of inclusion.
"In the Army, we just had six women pass the pre-Ranger training," Dunwoody said. "A lot of it is how we prepare the women to be successful, and for those who are going to do the instruction to also set up for success.
"We cannot lower the standards to accommodate this change. This is a dangerous profession and this is not a social experiment. This is about people who are qualified, capable and have the desire to do something, (to) open a new door and do it to the standard required of our military."
Dunwoody hopes that reading about her experience will "excite" people and motivate them to "dream big and make a difference every day, no matter what profession they're in."
"I hope (the) lessons have broad applications to anyone that wants to be a better leader, because we never stop learning. And I don't believe there's any magic recipe on how to be a good leader or how to be a general. I wouldn't know how to write that book."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Okay, no jokes, in each branch they have cooks, yeomen, personnelmen, mechanics, etc., but everyone is a war-fighter (rifleman) when needed, granted the front-line guys are better at it than the backroom people, but that's where leadership comes into play, get my point, everyone wasn't crazy enough to be in Rep 8, in a 'Hot-Suit', that's what I did for about have my service, so what the guy (No girls at sea when I was in!) making dinner was just as necessary as I was... Anyway that's how I see the problem, its a non problem if, "they can think out side the box", bad choice of words sorry... Don D.
Sep 11, 2015 18:16:35 #
Don G. Dinsdale wrote:
NEWSMAX br br Marine Corps Study: Male Infantry U... (show quote)
Okay, but can they bake a good batch of cookies?
Sep 11, 2015 19:21:58 #
lpnmajor
Loc: Arkansas
Don G. Dinsdale wrote:
NEWSMAX br br Marine Corps Study: Male Infantry U... (show quote)
In this day and age of "point and spray", accuracy means very little - except for special operators of course. The proof of that is found by counting rounds fired, with the number of k**ls and wounded. Then again, it's always been that way. Even with the old style of facing the enemy at point blank range, misses did occur.
The thing is, the shooting range is a poor indicator of a soldiers behavior or capabilities on the battlefield. Expert range marksman can freeze or even panic in combat and be more of a danger to the other members of his unit, than he is to the enemy.
Years ago, the Air Force did a study of female fighter pilots, in which it found that females could pull more G's than men. With the emphasis on stand off weapons today, that is no longer such an advantage - but it did prove that females COULD be successful fighter jocks.
Sep 12, 2015 00:52:05 #
Don G. Dinsdale
Loc: El Cajon, CA (San Diego County)
lpnmajor wrote:
In this day and age of "point and spray"... (show quote)
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Good Point(s)...
Sep 12, 2015 06:10:55 #
lpnmajor wrote:
In this day and age of "point and spray"... (show quote)
Thank you for your service , I'm not quilified to commit on your MOS and what it takes to preform your difficult duties , respectfully you are not quilified to commit on mine ,USMC- grunt-recon scout sniper Instructor , Quantico Va.- scuba school, Pearl harbor - shearch and rescue Koneohe Bay Hawaii , point being , we all work together for one goal !
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