I am Liberal in my Personal view.
I feel that we all live together & it is important the we have a system that provides Us with what the Constitution & the Bill of Rights grants us.

When first wrote the Constitution was about granting & protecting property Rights. The Bill of Rights was added to include Individual Rights.

What we have is a division between the Property Rights wanted by those on the Right & the Individual Rights wanted by those on the left.

So what we have today is Property Rights have gained over Individual Rights.

So much so that those with Property have gained most of the Property Rights leaving Individuals with less freedom to carry on & enjoy the Individual Rights granted them.

"Life, Liberty & the pursuit of Happiness."

Hmmm, I guess I'll have to be more specific. Liberalism is not necessarily socialism, although it certainly can be. Liberalism is simply the tenet that ALL must share equally, in success AND failure and that all citizens owe consideration and help, to their fellow citizens.

Liberals believe in individual rights, just like conservatives do, but they believe that those rights exist at birth and are not ( or shouldn't be ), subject to legislation. In other words, liberalism states that what is good for the goose, is also good for the gander, denies class segregation ( poor/rich ) and believes that the Government has NO authority to limit, specify, or modify individual rights or liberties.

The fair distribution of the countries treasure, is only ONE element of liberalism - but the one that it's opponents work tirelessly to corrupt and spread propaganda against. Liberalism is opposite of "mine, mine, mine!" and shares that aspect with socialism, stating instead "ours, ours, ours!", some of which is shared in our democratic republic. The "mine!" crowd is working really hard to defeat the "ours!" crowd, because they have no intention of sharing their success with anybody - which is another reason the "mine!" crowd h**e paying taxes.

What you consider the "taking" from one more fortunate, to give to one less fortunate - should actually be freely given because the "ones" are all Americans and are guaranteed life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Only those who do NOT share our American values, are "forced" to comply and that isn't even close to c*******m. Our society sets it's own rules for behavior and those that do not wish to participate - can leave. I will resist the "mine!" crowd with all my resources, because THEY are the c*******ts among us, who wish to see ALL wealth under their control - and the people too - requiring us to survive on wh**ever they deign to provide. That's simply un-American.

I was not as clear as I should have been about property rights.

I mean the rights to property that produces things is almost total controlled by the few.

Now with the added control being gain through control of government is it almost complete.

Only if we sell our souls to protect the property rights of the few will they be able to have the hold over us.

It is up to us (Because all power truly is in our hands if we want to use it. We were United once & no matter how long it takes it will be so again.

It may take until most of here now will be dead & gone but it will live again.

It is not a leap of faith to say it all can be done & most of us may not see much of a change in the way things are done.

We must control greed.

DEEP IN OUR HEARTS FEW OF US ARE REALLY GREEDY.

We need to make it as plain as we can that we support the least greedy among us.

For the greats gift that any one can be given is Trust.

Trust is earned & given by both sides in any relationship.

When we elect some one we are giving our Trust in them to them.

I think that most would agree that there should be a minimum level of support for all in line with the over all well
being of the nation.

First we should look to the corporations to do those things'

If those that control the corporations keep to much of the gain for them self & don't offer the level of wages for employees to at least meet the minimum level. Then the public arena should do things to help. Through laws on business or taxes.

The over all best way to treat the issue is to make sure that who we work for pays us to the level we feel we are worth.
We need to live up to the level we feel we are worth.

If we are good workers & are under paid we change jobs or find a way to be self employed.

If we become self employed & we hire people I would say we should treat workers as we felt we should have been treated.

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Ok, I'm done with this conversation. I keep asking you to explain your point of view with facts and examples. You keep speaking in generalities. If you have something to say, say it.

Your "obligation" mantra wreaks of socialism. Big business isn't obligated to do anything but follow the law and make a profit for their investors.

We, as individuals, are called by God to help our fellow man. God never said, "Give your money to the government and they will provide welfare for the needy". "Needy" is a relative term, often exploited.

Greed is a human condition not limited to the rich, powerful or successful. The "poor" are just as greedy.

The philosophy that expects others to provide for them, without earning it, is the very manifestation of greed.

You, my friend, smell like a socialist.