L*****t Agenda Now America- America's eerie parallels to downfall of Rome
Sep 5, 2015 23:32:51 #
America's eerie parallels to downfall of Rome - Bill Federer - http://www.wnd.com/2015/09/americas-eerie-parallels-to-downfall-of-rome/?cat_orig=faith
Bill Federer recounts factors contributing to massive empire's demise
The fall of Rome was a culmination of several external and internal factors.
Great Wall of China
By 220 A.D., the Later Eastern Han Dynasty had extended sections of the Great Wall of China along its Mongolian border. This resulted in the Northern Huns attacking west instead of east. This caused a domino effect of tribes migrating west across Central Asia, and overrunning the Western Roman Empire.
Open borders
I*****l i*******ts poured across the Roman borders: Visigoths, Ostrogoths, Franks, Anglos, Saxons, Alemanni, Thuringians, Rugians, Jutes, Picts, Burgundians, Lombards, Alans, Vandals as well as African Berbers and Arab raiders.
Will and Ariel Durant wrote in "The Story of Civilization" (Vol. 3 - Caesar and Christ, Simon & Schuster, 1944, p. 366): "If Rome had not engulfed so many men of alien blood in so brief a time, if she had passed all these newcomers through her schools instead of her slums, if she had treated them as men with a hundred potential excellences, if she had occasionally closed her gates to let assimilation catch up with infiltration, she might have gained new racial and literary vitality from the infusion, and might have remained a Roman Rome, the voice and citadel of the West."
Loss of common language
At first immigrants assimilated and learned the Latin language. They worked as servants, with many rising to leadership. But then they came so fast they did not learn Latin, but instead created a mix of Latin with their own Germanic, Frankish and Anglo tribal tongues. The unity of the Roman Empire began to dissolve.
The welfare state
"Bread and the Circus!" Starting in 123 B.C., the immensely powerful Roman politician Gaius Gracchus began appeasing citizens with welfare, a monthly handout of a free dole (handout) of grain.
Roman poet Juvenal (circa 100 A.D.) described how Roman emperors controlled the masses by keeping them ignorant and obsessed with self-indulgence, so that they would be distracted and not throw them out of office, which they might do if they realized the true condition of the Empire: "Already long ago, from when we sold our v**e to no man, the People have abdicated our duties; for the People who once upon a time handed out military command, high civil office, legions - everything, now restrains itself and anxiously hopes for just two things: bread and circuses."
The Durants wrote in "The Lessons of History" (p. 92): "The concentration of population and poverty in great cities may compel a government to choose between enfeebling the economy with a dole or running the risk of r**t and revolution."
Welfare and government jobs exploded, as recorded in "Great Ages of Man - Barbarian Europe" (NY: Time-Life Books, 1968, p. 39), one Roman commented: "Those who live at the expense of the public funds are more numerous than those who provide them."
Class warfare
City centers were abandoned by the upper class, who bought up farms from rural landowners and t***sformed them into palatial estates. The Durants wrote in "The Story of Civilization" (Vol. 3 - Caesar and Christ, Simon & Schuster, 1944, p.90): "The Roman landowner disappeared now that ownership was concentrated in a few families, and a proletariat without stake in the country filled the slums of Rome."
Inner cities were destabilized, being also plagued with lead poisoning, as water was brought in through lead pipes. ("Plumb" or "plumbing" is the Latin word for "lead.")
The value of human life was low. S***ery and sex-trafficking abounded, especially of captured peoples from Eastern Europe. "Slavs," which meant "glorious," came to have the inglorious meaning of a permanent servant or "s***e." ("Great Ages," p. 18)
Taxes
Taxes became unbearable, as "collectors became greedy functionaries in a bureaucracy so huge and corrupt." Tax collectors were described by the historian Salvian as "more terrible than the enemy." ("Great Ages," p. 20).
Arther Ferrill wrote in "The Fall of the Roman Empire: The Military Explanation" (New York: Thames and Hudson Ltd., 1986): "The chief cause of the agricultural decline was high taxation on the marginal land, driving it out of cultivation."
There was a loss of patriotism, wealth began to flee the empire, and with it, the spirit of liberty. President William Henry Harrison warned in his inaugural address, 1841: "It was the beautiful remark of a distinguished English writer that 'in the Roman senate Octavius had a party and Antony a party, but the Commonwealth had none' ... The spirit of liberty had fled, and, avoiding the abodes of civilized man, had sought protection in the wilds of Scythia or Scandinavia; and so under the operation of the same causes and influences it will fly from our Capitol and our forums."
More recently, John F. Kennedy observed, J*** 6, 1961: "Present tax laws may be stimulating in undue amounts the flow of American capital to industrial countries abroad."
Outsourcing
Rome's economy stagnated from a large trade deficit, as grain production was outsourced to North Africa. Gerald Simons wrote in "Great Ages of Man - Barbarian Europe" (NY: Time-Life Books, 1968, p. 39): "As conquerors of North Africa, the Vandals cut off the Empire's grain supply at will. This created critical food shortages, which in turn curtailed Roman counterattacks."
Debt preceded fall
Emperor Diocletian imposed wage and price controls and forbade people from changing professions. Choking taxes and personal debt caused many to abandon their mortgaged property and flee as ex-pats to live amongst the barbarians, renouncing their Roman citizenship. Diocletian responded by making it illegal to abandon one's mortgaged property, thus permanently tying people to the land in what became the "feudal system" in the Middle Ages.
Enormous public debt and government bureaucracy crippled Rome's economy. The Durants wrote in "The Lessons of History" (p. 92): "Huge bureaucratic machinery was unable to govern the empire effectively with the enormous, out-of-control debt."
In "Great Ages of Man - Barbarian Europe" (NY: Time-Life Books, 1968, p. 20), Gerald Simons wrote: "The Western Roman economy, already undermined by falling production of the great Roman estates and an unfavorable balance of trade that siphoned off gold to the East, had now run out of money."
Self-promoting and corrupt politicians
The Durants wrote in "The Lessons of History" (p. 92): "The educated and sk**led pursued business and financial success to the neglect of their involvement in politics."
Richard A. Todd wrote in "The Fall of the Roman Empire" (Eerdmans' "Handbook to the History of Christianity," Grand Rapids, MI: Wm. B. Eerdmans Co., 1977, p. 184): "The church, while preaching against abuses, contributed to the decline by discouraging good Christians from holding public office."
Violent entertainment
The Circus Maximus and Coliseum were packed with crowds of Romans engrossed with violent entertainment, games, char**t races, and until 404 A.D., gladiators fighting to the death.
Gerald Simons wrote in "Great Ages of Man - Barbarian Europe" (NY: Time-Life Books, 1968, p. 20): "In the causal brutality of its public spectacles, in a rampant immorality that even Christianity could not check."
Exposure of unwanted infants
Roman demographics changed as families had fewer children. Some would sell unwanted children into s***ery or leave them outside exposed to the weather to die, as was the practice till 374 A.D.
The Durants wrote in "The Story of Civilization," Vol. 3 - Caesar and Christ (Simon & Schuster, 1944, p. 134): "Children were now luxuries which only the poor could afford."
Immorality
Rome was corrupted with court favoritism, the patronage system, injustice in the legal system, infidelity, perverted bathhouses, sexual immorality, gluttony and gymnasiums ("gym" being the Greek word for "naked").
Fifth century historian Salvian wrote: "For all the lurid Roman tales of their atrocities ... the barbarians displayed ... a good deal more fidelity to their wives." ("Great Ages," p. 13.)
Salvian continued: "O Roman people be ashamed; be ashamed of your lives. Almost no cities are free of evil dens, are altogether free of impurities, except the cities in which the barbarians have begun to live. ... Let nobody think otherwise, the vices of our bad lives have alone conquered us. ... The Goths lie, but are chaste, the Franks lie, but are generous, the Saxons are savage in cruelty ... but are admirable in chastity. ... What hope can there be for the Romans when the barbarians are more pure than they?"
Samuel Adams wrote to John Scollay of Boston, April 30, 1776: "The diminution of public virtue is usually attended with that of public happiness, and the public liberty will not long survive the total extinction of morals. 'The Roman Empire,' says the historian, 'must have sunk, though the Goths had not invaded it. Why? Because the Roman virtue was sunk.'"
Military cuts
Though militarily superior and marching on advanced road systems, the highly-trained Roman legions were strained fighting conflicts from the Rhine River to the Sassanid Persian Empire. Roman borders were over-extended and the military defending them was cut back to dangerously low ranks.
The Durants wrote in "The Story of Civilization" (Vol. 3 - Caesar and Christ, Simon & Schuster, 1944, p.90): "The new generation, having inherited world mastery, had no time or inclination to defend it; that readiness for war which had characterized the Roman landowner disappeared."
Terrorist attacks
Called the "Scourge of God," Attila the Hun was thought to be the anti-Christ, as he devastated Europe with his half-million warriors.
Aquileia, one of the largest cities in the world at the time, was so completely destroyed that inhabitants ran into the ocean, hammered down logs and lived on platforms which grew into the city of Venice.
Ste. Genevieve called Paris to pray in 451 A.D., and for some reason Attila turned aside, sparing the city.
Pope Leo rode out to meet Attila in 452 A.D. and persuaded him not to sack Rome, delaying the city's fall 24 more years.
Finally the barbarian Chieftain Odoacer attacked. Rome is considered to have officially fallen on Sept. 4, 476 A.D
Bill Federer recounts factors contributing to massive empire's demise
The fall of Rome was a culmination of several external and internal factors.
Great Wall of China
By 220 A.D., the Later Eastern Han Dynasty had extended sections of the Great Wall of China along its Mongolian border. This resulted in the Northern Huns attacking west instead of east. This caused a domino effect of tribes migrating west across Central Asia, and overrunning the Western Roman Empire.
Open borders
I*****l i*******ts poured across the Roman borders: Visigoths, Ostrogoths, Franks, Anglos, Saxons, Alemanni, Thuringians, Rugians, Jutes, Picts, Burgundians, Lombards, Alans, Vandals as well as African Berbers and Arab raiders.
Will and Ariel Durant wrote in "The Story of Civilization" (Vol. 3 - Caesar and Christ, Simon & Schuster, 1944, p. 366): "If Rome had not engulfed so many men of alien blood in so brief a time, if she had passed all these newcomers through her schools instead of her slums, if she had treated them as men with a hundred potential excellences, if she had occasionally closed her gates to let assimilation catch up with infiltration, she might have gained new racial and literary vitality from the infusion, and might have remained a Roman Rome, the voice and citadel of the West."
Loss of common language
At first immigrants assimilated and learned the Latin language. They worked as servants, with many rising to leadership. But then they came so fast they did not learn Latin, but instead created a mix of Latin with their own Germanic, Frankish and Anglo tribal tongues. The unity of the Roman Empire began to dissolve.
The welfare state
"Bread and the Circus!" Starting in 123 B.C., the immensely powerful Roman politician Gaius Gracchus began appeasing citizens with welfare, a monthly handout of a free dole (handout) of grain.
Roman poet Juvenal (circa 100 A.D.) described how Roman emperors controlled the masses by keeping them ignorant and obsessed with self-indulgence, so that they would be distracted and not throw them out of office, which they might do if they realized the true condition of the Empire: "Already long ago, from when we sold our v**e to no man, the People have abdicated our duties; for the People who once upon a time handed out military command, high civil office, legions - everything, now restrains itself and anxiously hopes for just two things: bread and circuses."
The Durants wrote in "The Lessons of History" (p. 92): "The concentration of population and poverty in great cities may compel a government to choose between enfeebling the economy with a dole or running the risk of r**t and revolution."
Welfare and government jobs exploded, as recorded in "Great Ages of Man - Barbarian Europe" (NY: Time-Life Books, 1968, p. 39), one Roman commented: "Those who live at the expense of the public funds are more numerous than those who provide them."
Class warfare
City centers were abandoned by the upper class, who bought up farms from rural landowners and t***sformed them into palatial estates. The Durants wrote in "The Story of Civilization" (Vol. 3 - Caesar and Christ, Simon & Schuster, 1944, p.90): "The Roman landowner disappeared now that ownership was concentrated in a few families, and a proletariat without stake in the country filled the slums of Rome."
Inner cities were destabilized, being also plagued with lead poisoning, as water was brought in through lead pipes. ("Plumb" or "plumbing" is the Latin word for "lead.")
The value of human life was low. S***ery and sex-trafficking abounded, especially of captured peoples from Eastern Europe. "Slavs," which meant "glorious," came to have the inglorious meaning of a permanent servant or "s***e." ("Great Ages," p. 18)
Taxes
Taxes became unbearable, as "collectors became greedy functionaries in a bureaucracy so huge and corrupt." Tax collectors were described by the historian Salvian as "more terrible than the enemy." ("Great Ages," p. 20).
Arther Ferrill wrote in "The Fall of the Roman Empire: The Military Explanation" (New York: Thames and Hudson Ltd., 1986): "The chief cause of the agricultural decline was high taxation on the marginal land, driving it out of cultivation."
There was a loss of patriotism, wealth began to flee the empire, and with it, the spirit of liberty. President William Henry Harrison warned in his inaugural address, 1841: "It was the beautiful remark of a distinguished English writer that 'in the Roman senate Octavius had a party and Antony a party, but the Commonwealth had none' ... The spirit of liberty had fled, and, avoiding the abodes of civilized man, had sought protection in the wilds of Scythia or Scandinavia; and so under the operation of the same causes and influences it will fly from our Capitol and our forums."
More recently, John F. Kennedy observed, J*** 6, 1961: "Present tax laws may be stimulating in undue amounts the flow of American capital to industrial countries abroad."
Outsourcing
Rome's economy stagnated from a large trade deficit, as grain production was outsourced to North Africa. Gerald Simons wrote in "Great Ages of Man - Barbarian Europe" (NY: Time-Life Books, 1968, p. 39): "As conquerors of North Africa, the Vandals cut off the Empire's grain supply at will. This created critical food shortages, which in turn curtailed Roman counterattacks."
Debt preceded fall
Emperor Diocletian imposed wage and price controls and forbade people from changing professions. Choking taxes and personal debt caused many to abandon their mortgaged property and flee as ex-pats to live amongst the barbarians, renouncing their Roman citizenship. Diocletian responded by making it illegal to abandon one's mortgaged property, thus permanently tying people to the land in what became the "feudal system" in the Middle Ages.
Enormous public debt and government bureaucracy crippled Rome's economy. The Durants wrote in "The Lessons of History" (p. 92): "Huge bureaucratic machinery was unable to govern the empire effectively with the enormous, out-of-control debt."
In "Great Ages of Man - Barbarian Europe" (NY: Time-Life Books, 1968, p. 20), Gerald Simons wrote: "The Western Roman economy, already undermined by falling production of the great Roman estates and an unfavorable balance of trade that siphoned off gold to the East, had now run out of money."
Self-promoting and corrupt politicians
The Durants wrote in "The Lessons of History" (p. 92): "The educated and sk**led pursued business and financial success to the neglect of their involvement in politics."
Richard A. Todd wrote in "The Fall of the Roman Empire" (Eerdmans' "Handbook to the History of Christianity," Grand Rapids, MI: Wm. B. Eerdmans Co., 1977, p. 184): "The church, while preaching against abuses, contributed to the decline by discouraging good Christians from holding public office."
Violent entertainment
The Circus Maximus and Coliseum were packed with crowds of Romans engrossed with violent entertainment, games, char**t races, and until 404 A.D., gladiators fighting to the death.
Gerald Simons wrote in "Great Ages of Man - Barbarian Europe" (NY: Time-Life Books, 1968, p. 20): "In the causal brutality of its public spectacles, in a rampant immorality that even Christianity could not check."
Exposure of unwanted infants
Roman demographics changed as families had fewer children. Some would sell unwanted children into s***ery or leave them outside exposed to the weather to die, as was the practice till 374 A.D.
The Durants wrote in "The Story of Civilization," Vol. 3 - Caesar and Christ (Simon & Schuster, 1944, p. 134): "Children were now luxuries which only the poor could afford."
Immorality
Rome was corrupted with court favoritism, the patronage system, injustice in the legal system, infidelity, perverted bathhouses, sexual immorality, gluttony and gymnasiums ("gym" being the Greek word for "naked").
Fifth century historian Salvian wrote: "For all the lurid Roman tales of their atrocities ... the barbarians displayed ... a good deal more fidelity to their wives." ("Great Ages," p. 13.)
Salvian continued: "O Roman people be ashamed; be ashamed of your lives. Almost no cities are free of evil dens, are altogether free of impurities, except the cities in which the barbarians have begun to live. ... Let nobody think otherwise, the vices of our bad lives have alone conquered us. ... The Goths lie, but are chaste, the Franks lie, but are generous, the Saxons are savage in cruelty ... but are admirable in chastity. ... What hope can there be for the Romans when the barbarians are more pure than they?"
Samuel Adams wrote to John Scollay of Boston, April 30, 1776: "The diminution of public virtue is usually attended with that of public happiness, and the public liberty will not long survive the total extinction of morals. 'The Roman Empire,' says the historian, 'must have sunk, though the Goths had not invaded it. Why? Because the Roman virtue was sunk.'"
Military cuts
Though militarily superior and marching on advanced road systems, the highly-trained Roman legions were strained fighting conflicts from the Rhine River to the Sassanid Persian Empire. Roman borders were over-extended and the military defending them was cut back to dangerously low ranks.
The Durants wrote in "The Story of Civilization" (Vol. 3 - Caesar and Christ, Simon & Schuster, 1944, p.90): "The new generation, having inherited world mastery, had no time or inclination to defend it; that readiness for war which had characterized the Roman landowner disappeared."
Terrorist attacks
Called the "Scourge of God," Attila the Hun was thought to be the anti-Christ, as he devastated Europe with his half-million warriors.
Aquileia, one of the largest cities in the world at the time, was so completely destroyed that inhabitants ran into the ocean, hammered down logs and lived on platforms which grew into the city of Venice.
Ste. Genevieve called Paris to pray in 451 A.D., and for some reason Attila turned aside, sparing the city.
Pope Leo rode out to meet Attila in 452 A.D. and persuaded him not to sack Rome, delaying the city's fall 24 more years.
Finally the barbarian Chieftain Odoacer attacked. Rome is considered to have officially fallen on Sept. 4, 476 A.D
Sep 6, 2015 01:51:42 #
I am aware of the parallels.
Great post for those not.
:thumbup:
Great post for those not.
jack sequim wa wrote:
America's eerie parallels to downfall of Rome - Bi... (show quote)
:thumbup:
Sep 6, 2015 07:46:30 #
beammeupscotty wrote:
I am aware of the parallels.
Great post for those not.
:thumbup:
Great post for those not.
:thumbup:
anyone wanting to know tomorrow, need only read the bible today.
thanks
Sep 6, 2015 09:48:13 #
jack sequim wa wrote:
anyone wanting to know tomorrow, need only read the bible today.
thanks
thanks
People that don't know history tend to make the same mistakes. Parents must be vigilant and make sure their children learn true history.
Sep 6, 2015 14:04:14 #
jack sequim wa wrote:
America's eerie parallels to downfall of Rome - Bi... (show quote)
The reason there are similarities is that history is cyclical as well as linear. Also, the world's elite, the international bankers, and others all act the same way over and over again. The international bankers have one overall objective, and that is to rape the economies of all advanced nations, by means of debt, of fiat money, of false promises. The elite work the same way everywhere, and it is written in the c*******t treatise explaining the way to turn the world into c*******m. But it doesn't matter which name you call it, N**ism, c*******m, f*****m, oligarchy, wh**ever. It works the same in every country. The plan is to denegrate the morals of the people, and at the same time, get everyone dependent on the government. When they are dependent on the government, then the government calls the shots. Is there a reason for food stamps? Yes, at times. But when one of every seven people are on food stamps, well, you do the math. Government officials can't get elected without promising the people something. Free Health Care! Sounds great, til you find out the price is much greater than anyone imagined. It's a form of socialism. And when the government does things it is inefficient because it has no competition. Without competition it is IMPOSSIBLE to keep costs down or find the best ways to do things.
We are dying because we are falling from the weight of our top heavy government. And until the people, Russian, German, Roman, American, or any one else wake up and take matters into their own hand, governments will continue to topple at the behest of the international bankers they have sold their soul to.
Finally, prophecy works because things are cyclical. So if the northern tribes of Israel were destroyed and ens***ed, and passed among the nations, guess what happens to them 3000 years later. The same thing. Everything cycles around. The U.S., Britain, and most of Europe came from the original northern ten tribes of Israel. So you can be pretty sure that what is written about them applies to us today.
Sep 6, 2015 18:04:41 #
beammeupscotty wrote:
People that don't know history tend to make the same mistakes. Parents must be vigilant and make sure their children learn true history.
Sadly obama and the l*****t agenda have redefined "parents", true history wiped from our text books. While the church (Laodicea) remained silent, on the sidelines.
Sep 7, 2015 04:10:38 #
Sep 7, 2015 11:19:36 #
okie don wrote:
Ephrim & Manassah
Jacob blessed the son's, and this is the first prophecy as it relates today too modern day Israel, and the ownership of land designated by God
Sep 7, 2015 11:20:18 #
okie don wrote:
Ephrim & Manassah
Jacob blessed the son's, and this is the first prophecy as it relates today too modern day Israel, and the ownership of land designated by God
Sep 7, 2015 12:15:25 #
Is ( as in ISIS, Egyptian goddess)
Ra ( as in RA , Egyptian God)
El ( as in Eloheim )
Israel (:
Ra ( as in RA , Egyptian God)
El ( as in Eloheim )
Israel (:
Sep 7, 2015 21:38:28 #
okie don wrote:
Is ( as in ISIS, Egyptian goddess)
Ra ( as in RA , Egyptian God)
El ( as in Eloheim )
Israel (:
Ra ( as in RA , Egyptian God)
El ( as in Eloheim )
Israel (:
Can you expand your thoughts of this post?
Sep 7, 2015 23:11:21 #
okie don wrote:
Is ( as in ISIS, Egyptian goddess)
Ra ( as in RA , Egyptian God)
El ( as in Eloheim )
Israel (:
Ra ( as in RA , Egyptian God)
El ( as in Eloheim )
Israel (:
Yes, there are far more meanings in these names than most people are aware of. Is is also Ish, which means man. Ra is the first part of Ruach which means Spirit, or breath. El is the Canaanite and Egytian, and Middle Eastern name for God. These words have far more connections as well. I don't have time to study all the meanings right now, but the letter yod, English I, also has the connotation of a a t***sition. In other words, the man that transcends into God, or the man who is transcended by God. Resh, our letter R, has the connotation of "principle," or source. In other words, the man who's source is God. El has the connotation of "great power," like the long arm of the law. The name also has a meaning of "the man who is right with God." This doesn't begin to exhaust all the meanings.
Incidentally, the term British comes from Hebrew and means, "covenant man." It too has many connotations as well. Saxon is short for "Son of Isaac," and it goes on and on.
Sep 7, 2015 23:28:18 #
Gener wrote:
Yes, there are far more meanings in these names th... (show quote)
I might just add that the yod in Yishrael refers to antimatter, which is the opposite, or the mirror image of matter. In other words, man is the mirror image of God, and as such is not really separate from God. By following the law, and acting in such a way as to perfect himself, he/she transcends the physical level and gains perfection. The exact same concept is incorporated into the Chinese Taoist philosophy, which while not acknowledging a God per se, in the way the western world does, acknowledges a natural way of spirit which man is better off following. To a certain extent it is a matter of semantics.
Sep 8, 2015 13:33:56 #
Thanks Gener.
I have much to learn.
As you know letters are real important.
In studying Pythaguras, he said 'NUMBERS' were the 'wisest' thing and 'NAMING POWER' the 2nd Wisest thing.
As Einstein said: " We don't know what we don't know" and boy was that a mouthful!!!
I have much to learn.
As you know letters are real important.
In studying Pythaguras, he said 'NUMBERS' were the 'wisest' thing and 'NAMING POWER' the 2nd Wisest thing.
As Einstein said: " We don't know what we don't know" and boy was that a mouthful!!!
Sep 8, 2015 15:20:08 #
okie don wrote:
Thanks Gener.
I have much to learn.
As you know letters are real important.
In studying Pythaguras, he said 'NUMBERS' were the 'wisest' thing and 'NAMING POWER' the 2nd Wisest thing.
As Einstein said: " We don't know what we don't know" and boy was that a mouthful!!!
I have much to learn.
As you know letters are real important.
In studying Pythaguras, he said 'NUMBERS' were the 'wisest' thing and 'NAMING POWER' the 2nd Wisest thing.
As Einstein said: " We don't know what we don't know" and boy was that a mouthful!!!
Hi Don
We ALL have a lot to learn. I wish I had time to dev**e myself to Biblical Hebrew, Greek, and Aramaic. I would like to learn the old style Chinese as well. But I am old, and will never get to even one of those things.
Gematria can be a lot of fun but that is a life time of study as well, and while I learn a lot from others, it is hard when I try to pick up things myself. Incidentally, the verse in the Bible where they speak of 153 fishes? The gematria in there in Greek comes up to 153 as well, and if you turn the numbers in the verse into geometrical patterns, you get two fishes entwined. That is the symbol for Pisces. The Chinese yin yang symbol has the same two fishes but in a different position. There is much much more. Also, An Author called John Michell wrote a book years ago called "The city of Revelation," but unfortunately took it off the market and put a different version on, but he did the gematria on the verse in Revelations on "the number of the Beast," or at least one part of that verse, and in Greek it comes up to the same geometric value as Jesus Christ. There is much I could say about that, but it is important not to jump to conclusions unless you have a lot of complementary information, but it is very interesting.
I am going to be out of town for a couple weeks starting Thursday, and will not be posting, but I should be back soon.
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