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Sep 3, 2015 12:48:15   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
Ve'hoe wrote:
Well,,, then you are on your own,,, I wont help you into a c*******t doctrine,,,,

In fact I consider THAT and you,,, the problem.


There are those that have given a bit of thought to the issue
that there is a C*******t doctrine behind it.

If you would stop labeling me as a c*******t because I say I am a political liberal you are missing the point I am trying to make.

I am quite conservative in my personal life.

The doctrine we speak of is a part of the agenda of those that have the most control over us.

What better way of keeping us divided is there?

Just read what I am saying closer & you will see what I am trying to say.

The point I am trying to make is that we are in this together.

The sooner you see that the sooner you & I can come up with a way to seek the real t***h.

I feel that we need to look at the problems & see how our different views on the issue lead to never fixing the problem.

We need to find out who is behind the real problems we face.

It is not you or I or most people we know about.

I don't want to change who you are or you what you hold dear.

It is just that the problems we face affect us much the same way.

It is how each of us faces what isn't right is to be done by us not for us.

If we are truly going to keep control over what is taking place that affects us needs our input. Or & people like us.

For only then will we have the level of freedom we deserve.

When we are so divided others fill the void with their actions.

I think the actions by others is at the heart of what is wrong.

Again I strongly feel that bottom line of what we both would like to see happen is much closer than it seems.

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Sep 3, 2015 13:23:54   #
Ve'hoe
 
then why dont you try coming over to the side that fought c*******m, socialism, and this collective bs you have espoused here so many times before???


Floyd Brown wrote:
There are those that have given a bit of thought to the issue
that there is a C*******t doctrine behind it.

If you would stop labeling me as a c*******t because I say I am a political liberal you are missing the point I am trying to make.

I am quite conservative in my personal life.

The doctrine we speak of is a part of the agenda of those that have the most control over us.

What better way of keeping us divided is there?

Just read what I am saying closer & you will see what I am trying to say.

The point I am trying to make is that we are in this together.

The sooner you see that the sooner you & I can come up with a way to seek the real t***h.

I feel that we need to look at the problems & see how our different views on the issue lead to never fixing the problem.

We need to find out who is behind the real problems we face.

It is not you or I or most people we know about.

I don't want to change who you are or you what you hold dear.

It is just that the problems we face affect us much the same way.

It is how each of us faces what isn't right is to be done by us not for us.

If we are truly going to keep control over what is taking place that affects us needs our input. Or & people like us.

For only then will we have the level of freedom we deserve.

When we are so divided others fill the void with their actions.

I think the actions by others is at the heart of what is wrong.

Again I strongly feel that bottom line of what we both would like to see happen is much closer than it seems.
There are those that have given a bit of thought t... (show quote)

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Sep 3, 2015 14:00:57   #
She Wolf Loc: Currently Georgia
 
Floyd Brown wrote:
There are those that have given a bit of thought to the issue
that there is a C*******t doctrine behind it.

If you would stop labeling me as a c*******t because I say I am a political liberal you are missing the point I am trying to make.

I am quite conservative in my personal life.

The doctrine we speak of is a part of the agenda of those that have the most control over us.

What better way of keeping us divided is there?

Just read what I am saying closer & you will see what I am trying to say.

The point I am trying to make is that we are in this together.

The sooner you see that the sooner you & I can come up with a way to seek the real t***h.

I feel that we need to look at the problems & see how our different views on the issue lead to never fixing the problem.

We need to find out who is behind the real problems we face.

It is not you or I or most people we know about.

I don't want to change who you are or you what you hold dear.

It is just that the problems we face affect us much the same way.

It is how each of us faces what isn't right is to be done by us not for us.

If we are truly going to keep control over what is taking place that affects us needs our input. Or & people like us.

For only then will we have the level of freedom we deserve.

When we are so divided others fill the void with their actions.

I think the actions by others is at the heart of what is wrong.

Again I strongly feel that bottom line of what we both would like to see happen is much closer than it seems.
There are those that have given a bit of thought t... (show quote)


You make excellent points. We are so entrenched in labeling each other, we fail to hear each other. This works well for our government. It is the first rule of providing a s***e labor pool. Keep the people divided along economic, g****r, and race. As long as the majority of people are willing to accept the other side as evil they never come together. I had a professor once who was fond of saying, "Labeling is disabling." It is propaganda at its best.

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Sep 3, 2015 14:08:27   #
Ve'hoe
 
Just join a local Tea Party chapter, they are already fighting for these ideologies...

why dont you get on board with them?

She Wolf wrote:
You make excellent points. We are so entrenched in labeling each other, we fail to hear each other. This works well for our government. It is the first rule of providing a s***e labor pool. Keep the people divided along economic, g****r, and race. As long as the majority of people are willing to accept the other side as evil they never come together. I had a professor once who was fond of saying, "Labeling is disabling." It is propaganda at its best.

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Sep 3, 2015 14:25:55   #
Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI
 
Ve'hoe wrote:
then why dont you try coming over to the side that fought c*******m, socialism, and this collective bs you have espoused here so many times before???


The basic issue at hand is control over the masses & what is the best way of doing so.

C*******m & Socialism are linked together in the minds of many.

It seems that we have been taken over by some one or thing.

This Country is now an Oligarchy controlled by a few of the vary rich & powerful for their own ends.

So calling it C*******tic or Socialism is mute.

So in you words who has won & who has lost?

I say both of us have lost.

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Sep 3, 2015 14:30:19   #
Ve'hoe
 
So "join a tea party chapter near you" they are already doing what you laid out,,, and they are organized,,,, and making headway...

I didnt call "IT" c*******t,,, I identified the c*******t portions of your points,,,,

Will you join the tea party??

They are doing what you are just now talking about...





Floyd Brown wrote:
The basic issue at hand is control over the masses & what is the best way of doing so.

C*******m & Socialism are linked together in the minds of many.

It seems that we have been taken over by some one or thing.

This Country is now an Oligarchy controlled by a few of the vary rich & powerful for their own ends.

So calling it C*******tic or Socialism is mute.

So in you words who has won & who has lost?

I say both of us have lost.

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Sep 3, 2015 15:02:52   #
Ve'hoe
 
15 Non-negotiable Core Beliefs of the Tea Party

1. I*****l a***ns are here illegally.
2. Pro-domestic employment is indispensable.
3. A strong military is essential.
4. Special interests must be eliminated.
5. Gun ownership is sacred.
6. Government must be downsized.
7. The national budget must be balanced.
8. Deficit spending must end.
9. Bailout and stimulus plans are illegal.
10. Reducing personal income taxes is a must.
11. Reducing business income taxes is mandatory.
12. Political offices must be available to average citizens.
13. Intrusive government must be stopped.
14. English as our core language is required.
15. Traditional family values are encouraged.

- See more at: http://www.teaparty.org/about-us/#sthash.j9G2YImR.dpuf



Why dont YOU join THEM???


Floyd Brown wrote:
Now is the time to start our Peaceful Revolution.

There is no need to break any laws to get the redress we seek.

No one really wants to have Anarchy. It just about making small changes. Changes that allow every one to truly have a chance to have the dream that we all can share in the things that make life good.

We live at a time where there are those that say GREED IS GOOD.

The message we need to send is THAT GREED IS BAD.

The message I wish to send is that if you wish to save a system that has allowed you to do so well that you have more than you need you need to see that there is more of the pie left for others to have SOME of what you have. You have to take the lead in seeing that more people have a chance at the DREAM.

We are being controlled by those that say they are self made Individuals & they alone deserve what they have.

If it is true that they are self made why must they seek to control all aspects of every ones life.

There are those that would destroy the vary system that allowed them to do so well in the effort to keep what they have & control the laws to let them keep what they have & male it easier to get more.

I am all for keeping much of the system as it is.
To only change the parts that feed GREED.

Having more money in & of it's self isn't the problem. It is what that money is being used for. Buying others to do your misdeeds to feed your GREED should be a NO NO.

The simplest action to take is to tax GREED higher.

It may not need to be a large change but the sooner we make changes the small they can be.

Again I say that It will take only small changes to avoid ANARCHY.

IF SMALL STEPS ARE TAKEN SOON TO REVERSE THE COURSE WE ARE ON ANARCHY CAN BE AVOIDED.
Now is the time to start our Peaceful Revolution. ... (show quote)

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Sep 3, 2015 15:25:30   #
payne1000
 
She Wolf wrote:
I agree with most of your post. However, perhaps we need anarchy. There are occasions when beauty has come from chaos.

In my opinion, when your government is owned, it is very hard to work within the system. Esp. when the system is a stacked deck. I would not like to see total anarchy, but I can not see a viable way to change our corrupt system. We continue to buy into the idea that by widening the gap between the elite and the rest of us, the greedy will somehow become decent human beings. Hasn't happened so far. The more we give, the more they want.

Taxing the rich will never happen so long as they own the government. Most of our representatives are billionaires. They are not going to tax themselves.
I agree with most of your post. However, perhaps ... (show quote)


Good post, but I don't know of any billionaires in office on Capitol Hill. Most of them are millionaires. It is the billionaires who fund their campaigns and give them instructions on policy. Two of the top campaign funding billionaires are Haim Saban and Sheldon Adelson who are both more committed to Israel than the country where they made their billions.

Adelson with Romney
Adelson with Romney...

Saban with Hillary
Saban with Hillary...

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Sep 3, 2015 15:26:55   #
Ve'hoe
 
dumb




payne1000 wrote:
Good post, but I don't know of any billionaires in office on Capitol Hill. Most of them are millionaires. It is the billionaires who fund their campaigns and give them instructions on policy. Two of the top campaign funding billionaires are Haim Saban and Sheldon Adelson who are both more committed to Israel than the country where they made their billions.

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Sep 3, 2015 15:41:18   #
payne1000
 
Ve'hoe wrote:
dumb


Dumb because my comment is accurate?

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Sep 3, 2015 15:48:25   #
Ve'hoe
 
no dumb because it was dumb,,,,,,,,,,,, like all your one size fits all jews dumbness.......


payne1000 wrote:
Dumb because my comment is accurate?

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Sep 3, 2015 16:06:41   #
payne1000
 
Ve'hoe wrote:
no dumb because it was dumb,,,,,,,,,,,, like all your one size fits all jews dumbness.......


My comment was accurate.

Your comment is inaccurate.
It should read: one size fits all Z*****TS.

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Sep 3, 2015 16:08:48   #
She Wolf Loc: Currently Georgia
 
Ve'hoe wrote:
Just join a local Tea Party chapter, they are already fighting for these ideologies...

why dont you get on board with them?


I would like to attend a meeting of the local Tea Party chapter. I am not sure I would agree with their agenda. However, I have been guilty of the very thing we are talking about. I have judged the members of this party based upon what I have read not upon what I have witnessed for myself. That is the very thing I complain about. Occasionally, I am a hypocrite. I would like to correct that flaw.

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Sep 3, 2015 16:09:04   #
Ve'hoe
 
your comment is r****t,,,as always, and should read:

" I am payne ub the ass,,,, everything I post is conjecture, based on my r****t views on jews... whom I think I am cute in calling z*****ts"


payne1000 wrote:
My comment was accurate.

Your comment is inaccurate.
It should read: one size fits all Z*****TS.

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Sep 3, 2015 16:09:57   #
Ve'hoe
 
Then go see them,,,, they have really been maligned,,,, and it is by the very people floyd is talking about..... it really is

If you HAVE to trust anyone,,, you know as well as I have learned it wont be a democrat or a republican.....


She Wolf wrote:
I would like to attend a meeting of the local Tea Party chapter. I am not sure I would agree with their agenda. However, I have been guilty of the very thing we are talking about. I have judged the members of this party based upon what I have read not upon what I have witnessed for myself. That is the very thing I complain about. Occasionally, I am a hypocrite. I would like to correct that flaw.

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