no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun

http://www.lightsource.com/ministry/love-worth-finding/video-player/counterfeit-christianity-475112.html

Wonderful sermon on telling the difference between real Christianity and the pretend kind whether the pretend kind accepts behavior that is against God's laws, and calls it virtuous or tells Christians they don't need to believe what is written because times have changed and so should God to mesh with man's desires.

fiatlux

Very interesting video, thank you. Paul accepts behavior that is against God's law and not only that he preaches it is the right thing to do. An example: Three times in Revelation Jesus condemns the eating of the food offered in pagan sacrifices; three times Paul approves of it--even after James told him the Jerusalem Council had condemned this practice. In Revelation, Jesus makes it plain that the person who encourages such a practice as eating the meat offered to pagan gods is a false prophet. Are you ready to say Paul is a counterfeit Christian? (There are thirteen other contradictions of what Jesus taught as well as Paul contradicting himself.)

jelun

Would that pretend kind include the sort that has people claiming that they just can't help their ugly behavior because they are sinners?

no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun

No, it would not. It would include those who believe that the sins they commit are not sins, because the Bible has been misinterpreted. It would also include those who excuse their sins by saying they were born that way and cannot control their desires, any more than a goat can control its desire to eat. Those that admit their sins, ask God for forgiveness and make a genuine effort to not do that or other sins again are not make believe Christians. Those who know what the Bible says and choose to disobey it, what ever their excuses, are the make believe Christians.

jelun

Keep right on telling yourself that.

mwdegutis Loc: Illinois

From reading your numerous posts, it appears that all you are trying to accomplish is to promote divisiveness in the Body of Jesus Christ. Just remember…

There are six things the Lord hates— no, seven things he detests: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, hands that kill the innocent, a heart that plots evil, feet that race to do wrong, a false witness who pours out lies, a person who sows discord in a family.

Concerning eating food offered to an idol…

In the letter to the church of Thyatira in Revelation, Jesus rebukes them for tolerating a prophetess who “misleads my servants into sexual immorality and the eating of food sacrificed to idols.” This is a different situation from what Paul was dealing with in Corinth. It seems that members of the church of Thyatira were partaking of the pagan “love feasts,” celebrated with gross immorality and feasting. These believers were not simply buying meat in the marketplace; they were actually attending idolatrous festivals and joining in the sin of the idolaters. (See verse 14 for a similar rebuke of the church of Pergamos).

Here is a summary of the Bible’s teaching on eating meat sacrificed to idols:

Eating meat offered to an idol is not inherently wrong. Meat is not “defiled” because it was taken from a pagan sacrifice. God “richly provides us with everything for our enjoyment” (1 Timothy 6:17). However, some Christians consider meat offered to an idol to be defiled, and for them it is, since they must follow their conscience. Their scruples should be respected by other Christians with a stronger conscience. Love dictates that all Christians make allowances for their weaker brothers.

There are certain cultures today where idolatry is still practiced and where the specifics of the Bible’s teaching about sacrificial meat are still timely. For the rest of us, here are the principles which should govern our participation in the “gray areas” of life:

1) Having the “right” to do something does not mean we are free to do it in every circumstance, regardless of its effects on others.

2) The believer’s liberty in Christ can and should be voluntarily limited in order not to cause a weaker brother to sin by violating his conscience. Liberty is limited in love.

3) Maintaining the unity of the Spirit in the bond of love may require a believer to give up his personal “right” to a thing. “How good and pleasant it is when brothers live together in unity!” (Psalm 133:1).

4) We should avoid anything that would make a weak Christian think less of his faith or that would make an unsaved person feel more at ease in his sin.

no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun

Well said and very clear. Thank you.
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fiatlux

npp, u r a very good person; I wish I was more like you. Not everything that contradicts how the Bible traditionally has been translated is an attempt to water it down. Above all we think and understand, our thirst is for truth. Like we want for air if held underwater for a few minutes, this is our need for truth. Never settle. More is constantly revealed. Make more room for the Holy Spirit.

jelun

There is no greater fool than the person who is positively sure that he is absolutely right about everything.

mwdegutis Loc: Illinois

Is that a quote about you because I am NOT positively sure that I am absolutely right about everything. But you sure appear to be.

smurphy Loc: Co

There are an estimated 100,000 Christian sects in America, representing close to 200 million people. Each of those 100,000 sects will naturally claim they have the "one, true faith," they have rightfully interpreted the word of God and are the "real Christians." The differences may be minor...but not to them. Question the trinity, the Rapture, or substitutionary atonement will usually bring from the mainstream churches quick and easy condemnation of apostasy and false teachers. Yet there are a substantial number of God-fearing Christians that doubt this theology and have good arguments against such concepts. Automatic dismissal is not in the best interest of faith and the love of truth.

susanblange Loc: USA

The NT says that a house divided against itself will not stand. The NT is "wind and confusion". It is also called vanity, meaning worthless. The OT is complete regarding the Messiah, from birth to resurrection. It requires no addition or elaboration. There will be no rapture or tribulation. You can read anything into the NT that you want it to say and it is full of contradictions. It is actually the doctrine of Satan and in no way inspired by God. Job 31:35.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Even worse is someone who isn't sure about anything.