So who won the debate? (Page 11): I am a retiree from AT&T.....{ Mich}............{ the non union part of "publishing}........That's not true of us.....{ or the Union part}...........&...

Ronald Hatt Loc: Lansing, Mich

DennisDee wrote:

Not totally true. I have a brother and sister in law who both have nice AT&T pensions.

I am a retiree from AT&T.....{ Mich}............{ the non union part of "publishing}........That's not true of us.....{ or the Union part}...........& the retiree's get screwed at every contract!

Part of that is: Obammy care !.......The rest is, AT&T. not caring about the *retirees......They are a *liability!......... :thumbdown:

VladimirPee

They weren't union but they had nice pensions.

Ronald Hatt wrote:

I am a retiree from AT&T.....{ Mich}............{ the non union part of "publishing}........That's not true of us.....{ or the Union part}...........& the retiree's get screwed at every contract!

Part of that is: Obammy care !.......The rest is, AT&T. not caring about the *retirees......They are a *liability!......... :thumbdown:

Ronald Hatt Loc: Lansing, Mich

DennisDee wrote:

They weren't union but they had nice pensions.

were they Management?

VladimirPee

Yes he was an asst VP in the old Calling Card department and she was a Supervisor of some kind

Ronald Hatt wrote:

were they Management?

Ronald Hatt Loc: Lansing, Mich

DennisDee wrote:

Yes he was an asst VP in the old Calling Card department and she was a Supervisor of some kind

There you have it! management, is treated much differently, than the "rank & file"!

VladimirPee

I was speaking in general that pensions are a better option than the 401K in most cases.

Ronald Hatt wrote:

There you have it! management, is treated much differently, than the "rank & file"!

mtman2

Ronald Hatt wrote:

Common mindset of the "average American Union... (show quote)

ABSOLUTELY!!!
And slickered Roy doesn't get the point that WE the People pay for all the screwups+offs everyday; while the Dem politicos offer more to get+keep office[of OUR money], crooked union bosses laugh while rolling in ill gotten money as power brokers and workers are directed down a dead end road of NO return with both- as businesses that want to survive and make a profit will use the global market place to move on to.
"Whoops guess we ran our nation over the cliff " after it's to late says the honest assessors of what they did(Dems, union 'officials'+the workers).
"The times they are a changing" = NO dummies they have already changed- waky waky children, it's not a game anymore as we ALL as a nation will lose!

Well why wait for the coming crash of the greedy fools; let's put moral and Patriotic adults in the drivers seat to do what should be done while it's still possible ~?

Comment Loc: California

mtman2 wrote:

ABSOLUTELY!!! br And slickered Roy doesn't get the... (show quote)

Pensions---I was reading Yahoo yesterday about SS running out of money in 33. SS has a balance of a couple tril now, but there are 3 workers paying into SS to support one retiree.

The preceding paragraph is a limited view of entitlements. those same 3 workers are supporting 145 million on welfare. How can this be? Taxes would be so high on workers that they all would be sucked dry of income. It happens because all welfare is borrowed. If you don't believe me, Look up the total # of people on welfare and the # of workers in the USA, look up the cost of Welfare, 20% of workers are unemployed (Researched). It appears to me judging by the comments posted by OPP Socialist members, that they are completely ignorant of the financial mess the USA is in but if they see it they don't see a problem. Their toes must be sore kicking the can down the road.

mtman2

Comment wrote:

Pensions---I was reading Yahoo yesterday about SS ... (show quote)

"Well" being that we've been owned since 1913 by the IMF/WB via their branch office the Fed+IRS catch dogs, they'll just electronically cause money to appear creating even further inflation on hardworking American families waiting for real leadership ~!

Comment Loc: California

mtman2 wrote:

"Well" being that we've been owned since 1913 by the IMF/WB via their branch office the Fed+IRS catch dogs, they'll just electronically cause money to appear creating even further inflation on hardworking American families waiting for real leadership ~!

Absolutely. The making money out of 0 devalues the dollars held by the middle class. The poor has no money so they are not effected by inflation. the rich aren't affected as much because they can borrow and pay back with inflated dollars. Fiat money benefits only debtor nations. The US is the largest debtor nation in the world. The beginning of the Fed was the beginning of the death of the middle class.

Ronald Hatt Loc: Lansing, Mich

DennisDee wrote:

I was speaking in general that pensions are a better option than the 401K in most cases.

That gets into the realm of investments, stock market, etc.........

I don't pretend to understand the ramifications, of high finance/investments, etc.........I leave that to my friend: Bernie Madoff.......& the rest of the Liberal financial scourges in the world!

roy

DennisDee wrote:

Not many. We have many things in place like OSHA and the EEOC so there is no need for a union

Osha and eeoc,are both jokes,companys money talks and they walk

VladimirPee

Unions are jokes.

roy wrote:

Osha and eeoc,are both jokes,companys money talks and they walk

roy

Ronald Hatt wrote:

Historically.......The Pension money, usually "isn't there", {in case of everyone wanting to retire at the same time}, as the "money" has been pilfered by Union leaders!

I love my pension from the uaw,so sweet,i find that most people that h**e unions werent even a member,and are usely envious of a union member for the benifits they do receive,by the way imwas a union member for 41 years never missed a day worked my rump off everyday i was there as 99% do.

VladimirPee

So you were one of the reasons for the GM bailout. Thanks for sponging off society. Your pension bailout was no different than government welfare. 41 years and you are on welfare. And proud of it?

roy wrote:

I love my pension from the uaw,so sweet,i find that most people that h**e unions werent even a member,and are usely envious of a union member for the benifits they do receive,by the way imwas a union member for 41 years never missed a day worked my rump off everyday i was there as 99% do.