She Wolf Loc: Currently Georgia

Members of our temple will be traveling to Cuba in August. I may not be able to go due to medical problems. Raul Castro has agreed to meet with designated people from each temple. To discuss his position on better relations with the U.S. We will be taking some much needed supplies to the Cuban people.

We hope to have an exchange of ideas between the working people of America and the working people of Cuba. We will be allowed to tour some areas which have in the past been closed to foreigners.

The first time I visited Cuba I was a child. It was 1966. I worked in a sugar cane field along side Ernesto Guevara. I do not know what kind of revolutionary he was. I do know what kind of man he was. I was a just a kid. I had no idea who he was only that he was kind, honest, not afraid of hard work, a man of this convictions, and had a great sense of humor. I liked him.

When I said to him: "you are one of my heroes", he told me he was no one's hero just a freedom fighter, a revolutionary. I think he would be very angry at the selling of his image. He told me revolutions belong to the people not a few men. He worked seven days a week weather in government agencies or building irrigation system.

As I grew up, I found I did not agree with most of his political ideals. It was Che who told me seek your own t***hs. I may disagree with his politics but I will always have respect for him as person. More respect than I will ever have for the cowards willing to send our young people to war but to not man enough to go themselves.

I think to young people, Che represents the true revolutionary. One of the few times in history when the working and poor actually won out over the elite. Not speaking out of both sides of his mouth. With Ernesto you knew exactly where you stood.

PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.

It is too bad you will be unable to travel and meet one of your kindred souls, Raul Castro, in Cuba.

She Wolf Loc: Currently Georgia

I really don't know that much about Raul Castro. I have never met the man. I reserve opinions about people I have not met.

I simply believe half of the propaganda in this country in regard to Cuba is what is known as "sour grapes". We could not bend the people to our will so they must be evil. While at the same time we trade with Vietnam and China. You don't find that just a little hypocritical?

Ve'hoe

Yeah,,,, che,,, the murderer,,,, what a swell guy!!

And his drinking buddies,,,, Sadaam,,, Pol Pot,,, et al..... totally misunderstood,,,,,

We should all aspire, to murder and wipe out those we dont agree with... right???

Ve'hoe

How many times,,, have you "been to war"????

She Wolf Loc: Currently Georgia

Did you ever meet the man? Seems murdering and wiping out those we don't agree with is more your stance than Cuba's stance. We just declare war on the world starting with Iran.

She Wolf Loc: Currently Georgia

I have nothing but respect for the men and women who protect this country. All the men in my family have been to war. My husband died as a result of his service. Your comment is silly. Do you think your opinion is more important than the opinions of other Americans because of your service?

I do not have to go to war to voice my opinion. Are you saying only Vets have a right to voice an opinion? Is that what you were fighting for?

I do not make judgments based upon propaganda. Are all warriors murders? Do you feel you are a murder? I DON'T. War is all about k*****g the enemy. We have k**led quite a few non combatants in the many wars we have fought. Some were executed.

Ve'hoe

Your ignorant quote:

"More respect than I will ever have for the cowards willing to send our young people to war but to not man enough to go themselves. "

You support c*******ts murderers,, in fact idolize them,,, and live on the spoils of those wars,,,,,


How do you explain yourself, and the dichotomy of opinions,,, you are for murderers if its a "swell guy you met" like Che!?! But hell, anyone else they are just run of the mill murderers.....

How do you explain the phony-ness of your adoration of k**lers??? Which, as a matter of fact,,, you would probably have learned if you had gone to war,,, but then you never believed that womens e******y sh-t you preached and marched for either,,,, did you? Just wanted something to b***h about, kind of like now,,huh??

Because if you are NOT for war, and v**ed for obama,,, then you are most assuredly responsible for wars,, due to his policies,,, as well as the failure and weakness of all l*****t policies that promote the aggression of evil people world wide,,,, che of course comes to mind.

Did you have tea with manson too??? Did he have a "good heart?"

She Wolf Loc: Currently Georgia

You must really have a high opinion of yourself. You can explain other people's views for them. Forget the FACT you know nothing about the person. I am an Independent. Didn't v**e for Obama. (wrong again) You believe wh**ever your government tells you to believe. ( Can't think for yourself?) Have you ever been to Cuba or are you just repeating your governments BS?

If you had read the post, you would have noticed I said as I grew up I did not share his political stance. Of course since that does not fit your idea of who I am you ignored that part. I have not benefited from these pointless wars. As a tax payer, I have financed them.

It must be great to be you. Never a question as to weather you might be wrong. You must be perfect in every way.

You are wasting your time on personal attacks since your opinion of me matters not in the least to me. I just feel sorry for you. You seem to me, I could be wrong, to be a bitter person.

Ve'hoe

Just s**k of the lies from l*****ts,, like you,, who claim a whole bunch of crap and never have to prove any of it, never have to put their actual ass on the line for anyone or anything,,,

And cant actually respond to what I said,,,, instead claim I am trying to shut you up....

I asked you to explain why the dichotomies existed in your opinions.

I,,, didnt "wonder" about the lies or t***hs I was told, I grabbed a rifle and went to war,,,,, and there I learned,,,,,, but I have done much more than just that.....

I dont "think" I am right,,, I just know that all the academics,, all the l*****t dickheads, and all the peace mongering liars,,, drive around in cars,,, supporting the Arab oil sheiks,,,, and b***hing about everyone else.....

You run around squawking about murder and dying,, yet support a******n and planned parent hood

L*****ts support a nuclear iran

L*****ts decry r****m..yet here on this site are the worst r****ts of all.

Everything about a l*****t opinion is bulls**t...

Che was no hero,,,, you cannot idolize murderers and maintain credibility as a peaceful person...

you cannot hold l*****t opinions and profess to care about life and or others...

That is what I learned in the wars.....

She Wolf Loc: Currently Georgia

If you knew anything at all about me you would know I look at each situation. I come down on the side of the liberals on some situations. I come down on the conservative side on others. Sometimes I see a middle ground. I am neither a liberal nor a conservative. Labels are just the tools of propaganda. If I can place you in a group, then people who have a bad opinion of that group will dismiss your opinions without even considering them.

You can not hold reactionary opinions ad profess to care about anyone other than those who agree with you. That's what I have learned from traveling the world and actually listening to others.

Ve'hoe

And,,,, if you throw more bulls**t,,, not related to what I ask I assume you think you can avoid answering the question actually asked of you.... which is what you are doing. Meanwhile,, with every post, you heap more and more,,,, agend-ized rhetoric,,,,, without a shred of proof, nor even an association with a doctrine,,,,,, that supports what claims you make against the "evils" of society,,,,,,,,,,

Explain why your opinions are so dichotomously opposed, seems simple,,, I can and did explain where mine came from.... and after "60 years" you have had AMPLE opportunity to develop it.

jelun

Thanks for sharing.

She Wolf Loc: Currently Georgia

I have answered your question. Che the man not Che the revolutionary was the person I knew and I admired. As to heaping more and more rhetoric, without a shred of proof, I think your are more guilty of that then I am.

We will just have to agree to disagree. This conversation is dropping to a level I do wish to participate in any longer. I find myself saying things to you, I have no right to say. When I feel passionate about something, I can be quite the b***h. I apologize for the personal comments I made in regard to your character since I do not know you they were totally out of line. We just disagree which is what makes this country great. You and I will never agree so there is no point.

Ve'hoe

Well,,,,,ok,,,,, but my point is not that you suck,,, it is that "almost everyone" who fights a war,, is not merely the warrior,,,, and war is not murder.....it is very complex,, I am that,,, but much much more.... that is just a side of me, that I developed, and it is very necessary,,,,and aware, of what is and was going on over there. Not all of it is bad, you cannot make sense of an "insensible" act like assymetric war. There are too many levels, too many fingers in the pot, too many motives.

Che went too far,,, he liked the fight, and he needed it,,,, a strange thing to understand if you havent been in it... at the time you met him (and I have studied him as an enemy) he was in cuba being "re-trained" and there was a "feeling" (because no one really knows what is in the mind of the Castros and I h**e people who attribute what they think to others) with the Castros,,, that Che was on the outs..... I think, from my combat time, that Che had given in to wh**ever it is that grabs you in a war,,,,, it is a hard thing to resist... like if you let go,, you can k**l without caring, and you could actually k**l the right sumb***hes (the ones in charge).

But the religious man, understands what that voice is,,,, and it isnt a "do=able" thing for "man"..... so you make the decision to come home,,, and be normal,,, but once you peer over that wall, you are never the same again.

Yet, I enjoy my grandaughters, I have teas,,, play "barbie dress-up" games ( I c***t,,, look at their cards and take the 'broken heart card' and lose everytime dutifully)
You met Che,, in one of those times,,,, there are other times,,, too,,,, too complex of a man,, and events to think that was ALL him.... you would like me too in that situation,,, in others you would be very fearful of me, and rightly so.... when I am in 'that business" I am all business.... completely compartmentalized.



And I live in the world,,, understanding fully and coming to terms with the fact that "I" do support the structure,,, and it is setup that way,,,, others who claim they dont support the "war structure" then drive to the anti-war rally in their mercedes,,,,,or BMW,,,, and feel they have done their civic duty...kind of make me laugh,,, when they get 'militant about it" it pisses me off,,, telling me that they have never really been far,,, down that road,, at least not far enough to accurately read what they are doing that most certainly supports that process,,,, and now days, I wonder whether right or wrong is even important for "mankind".,,,,,, when a bigger meaner power comes along we are toast,,,, my people the cheyenne already found that out,,,yet in ways,,,, under the white mans rule, we are better off,,,, not as free as we once were,,, but relatively free of wars.....

If it is to change,,,, and I am not sure it can,,,,,, we must radically change who we put in charge,,,, and they tell us who they h**e,,,, Palin, Trump, et al........ because those people, will do the right thing??? maybe,,,, but guranteed the same old crooks will do the same old thing,,,, like mcconnel and reid...