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Jul 22, 2015 17:45:04   #
She Wolf Loc: Currently Georgia
 
When it comes to a livable wage, why are so many people against it? The venom with which I have been attacked for suggesting it would be good for the economy as well as the right thing to do is overwhelming. I have been called stupid, a Communist, and a liar.

I own a small business. My lowest paid employee receives $16.00 per hour and I still make a profit. I try to keep up with the cost of living in our area and of course we have profit sharing. If I can do this, no one will convince me major corporations can't.

I do not understand why it is so important to some people not to pay a fair wage for a job well done. Why is the American Dream only available to a select few? If anyone can explain this mind set to me, I would appreciate it.

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Jul 22, 2015 17:51:05   #
PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.
 
She Wolf wrote:
When it comes to a livable wage, why are so many people against it? The venom with which I have been attacked for suggesting it would be good for the economy as well as the right thing to do is overwhelming. I have been called stupid, a Communist, and a liar.

I own a small business. My lowest paid employee receives $16.00 per hour and I still make a profit. I try to keep up with the cost of living in our area and of course we have profit sharing. If I can do this, no one will convince me major corporations can't.

I do not understand why it is so important to some people not to pay a fair wage for a job well done. Why is the American Dream only available to a select few? If anyone can explain this mind set to me, I would appreciate it.
When it comes to a livable wage, why are so many ... (show quote)


Would you be willing to hire and train an unskilled worker at $16.00 per hour?

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Jul 22, 2015 18:01:44   #
She Wolf Loc: Currently Georgia
 
PoppaGringo wrote:
Would you be willing to hire and train an unskilled worker at $16.00 per hour?


The employee I mentioned was an unskilled worker. She just needed a little training. Now, I don't know what I would do without her.

Of course some of the positions require skill and knowledge for safety reasons. Those pay better. I believe in assisting hard working people in acquiring skills.

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Jul 22, 2015 18:12:26   #
PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.
 
She Wolf wrote:
The employee I mentioned was an unskilled worker. She just needed a little training. Now, I don't know what I would do without her.

Of course some of the positions require skill and knowledge for safety reasons. Those pay better. I believe in assisting hard working people in acquiring skills.


Gut für Sie. Sie würde mich anstellen, bin ich eine Quick-Studie. :lol:

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Jul 22, 2015 18:12:58   #
Artemis
 
She Wolf wrote:
The employee I mentioned was an unskilled worker. She just needed a little training. Now, I don't know what I would do without her.

Of course some of the positions require skill and knowledge for safety reasons. Those pay better. I believe in assisting hard working people in acquiring skills.


Kudos to you She Wolf,:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: Don't pay any attention to the insulters, you are a fair and just person, it is a shame more people don't have your high stature, you are not greedy that simple.

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Jul 22, 2015 18:24:09   #
working class stiff Loc: N. Carolina
 
She Wolf wrote:
When it comes to a livable wage, why are so many people against it? The venom with which I have been attacked for suggesting it would be good for the economy as well as the right thing to do is overwhelming. I have been called stupid, a Communist, and a liar.

I own a small business. My lowest paid employee receives $16.00 per hour and I still make a profit. I try to keep up with the cost of living in our area and of course we have profit sharing. If I can do this, no one will convince me major corporations can't.

I do not understand why it is so important to some people not to pay a fair wage for a job well done. Why is the American Dream only available to a select few? If anyone can explain this mind set to me, I would appreciate it.
When it comes to a livable wage, why are so many ... (show quote)



I can't explain it other than to point to the idea that profit is only measure of economic success in our system. If there were other measures added into the equation (e.g. social stability, equity) then perhaps profit would take a more reasonable role in our economy. As currently set up, profit is the only measure of value and therefore takes an outsized role.

All the rest...the name calling and enmity....is used to keep us from discussing the role of other measures of economic success.

At any rate, your business seems proof that one can run a business another way. Keep up your good works.

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Jul 22, 2015 19:04:04   #
jelun
 
She Wolf wrote:
When it comes to a livable wage, why are so many people against it? The venom with which I have been attacked for suggesting it would be good for the economy as well as the right thing to do is overwhelming. I have been called stupid, a Communist, and a liar.

I own a small business. My lowest paid employee receives $16.00 per hour and I still make a profit. I try to keep up with the cost of living in our area and of course we have profit sharing. If I can do this, no one will convince me major corporations can't.

I do not understand why it is so important to some people not to pay a fair wage for a job well done. Why is the American Dream only available to a select few? If anyone can explain this mind set to me, I would appreciate it.
When it comes to a livable wage, why are so many ... (show quote)



I doubt that anyone in this section of OPP can tell you with any surety exactly why anyone could object to people making a living wage.
If we are limiting that discussion to those conservatives here on OPP I have an idea that it has something to do with the age of the participants.
Many of these people have been retired for close to two decades. They are not connected with what the needs of people who are working and supporting a family today.
I am not sure what impact increased wages would have that is so frightening.
The mid to late 70s were so inflationary and we got through that. I figure that it is all the same as then if wages become reasonable.
Besides these folks supposedly think that the world is coming to an end, why not let people make a decent wage for a few months? ;)

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Jul 23, 2015 06:40:08   #
She Wolf Loc: Currently Georgia
 
jelun wrote:
I doubt that anyone in this section of OPP can tell you with any surety exactly why anyone could object to people making a living wage.
If we are limiting that discussion to those conservatives here on OPP I have an idea that it has something to do with the age of the participants.
Many of these people have been retired for close to two decades. They are not connected with what the needs of people who are working and supporting a family today.
I am not sure what impact increased wages would have that is so frightening.
The mid to late 70s were so inflationary and we got through that. I figure that it is all the same as then if wages become reasonable.
Besides these folks supposedly think that the world is coming to an end, why not let people make a decent wage for a few months? ;)
I doubt that anyone in this section of OPP can tel... (show quote)


I am not sure it has to do with age. You see, I am an old lady. A friend of mine pointed out to me it could be fear. Fear that somehow it will take from them and perhaps they are barely getting by now. As she said fear is a great motivator.

My Grandchildren pointed out to me that for an old lady, I don't seem to think like one. Maybe that is because I grew up in a time when injustice ruled. I couldn't understand it then and I hope I never do.

My parents taught me, we are all in this together. If we are blessed with good fortune, it is our duty to see to it others have the same opportunity. Not because we will suffer after death but because it simply is the right thing to do.

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Jul 23, 2015 07:14:41   #
jelun
 
She Wolf wrote:
I am not sure it has to do with age. You see, I am an old lady. A friend of mine pointed out to me it could be fear. Fear that somehow it will take from them and perhaps they are barely getting by now. As she said fear is a great motivator.

My Grandchildren pointed out to me that for an old lady, I don't seem to think like one. Maybe that is because I grew up in a time when injustice ruled. I couldn't understand it then and I hope I never do.

My parents taught me, we are all in this together. If we are blessed with good fortune, it is our duty to see to it others have the same opportunity. Not because we will suffer after death but because it simply is the right thing to do.
I am not sure it has to do with age. You see, I a... (show quote)



I don't think it all has to with age either, we are addressing those who cannot accept that people need money to survive or that someone should not earn enough money to survive on simply because they work in manual labor.
As I said, I was restricting my comments to those on OPP.
So maybe it isn't age, maybe it is just misery loving company.
Maybe it is a crippling need to be better than someone else.
Maybe they are just hateful creeps.

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Jul 23, 2015 10:35:27   #
moldyoldy
 
She Wolf wrote:
I am not sure it has to do with age. You see, I am an old lady. A friend of mine pointed out to me it could be fear. Fear that somehow it will take from them and perhaps they are barely getting by now. As she said fear is a great motivator.

My Grandchildren pointed out to me that for an old lady, I don't seem to think like one. Maybe that is because I grew up in a time when injustice ruled. I couldn't understand it then and I hope I never do.

My parents taught me, we are all in this together. If we are blessed with good fortune, it is our duty to see to it others have the same opportunity. Not because we will suffer after death but because it simply is the right thing to do.
I am not sure it has to do with age. You see, I a... (show quote)




Some people need to have others beneath them in some way. They can not feel good about themselves unless they have somebody to look down on. If people are working, happy, thriving, and their children are preparing to do even better, that is a big threat to the superior personality.

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Jul 24, 2015 10:32:52   #
She Wolf Loc: Currently Georgia
 
moldyoldy wrote:
Some people need to have others beneath them in some way. They can not feel good about themselves unless they have somebody to look down on. If people are working, happy, thriving, and their children are preparing to do even better, that is a big threat to the superior personality.


I believe you are correct. Perhaps, this need for superiority comes from a deep seated feeling of inferiority. If I feel I am inferior then I need someone to look down upon. Of course when it comes to the 1% it is all about power.

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Jul 24, 2015 11:06:28   #
moldyoldy
 
She Wolf wrote:
I believe you are correct. Perhaps, this need for superiority comes from a deep seated feeling of inferiority. If I feel I am inferior then I need someone to look down upon. Of course when it comes to the 1% it is all about power.


The 1% manipulate the rest of us to fight each other, so we do not focus on how they are screwing us.

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Jul 24, 2015 12:35:05   #
jelun
 
moldyoldy wrote:
The 1% manipulate the rest of us to fight each other, so we do not focus on how they are screwing us.



They are only able to manipulate us because we are eager for it.

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Jul 24, 2015 19:19:39   #
Nickolai
 
She Wolf wrote:
I am not sure it has to do with age. You see, I am an old lady. A friend of mine pointed out to me it could be fear. Fear that somehow it will take from them and perhaps they are barely getting by now. As she said fear is a great motivator.

My Grandchildren pointed out to me that for an old lady, I don't seem to think like one. Maybe that is because I grew up in a time when injustice ruled. I couldn't understand it then and I hope I never do.

My parents taught me, we are all in this together. If we are blessed with good fortune, it is our duty to see to it others have the same opportunity. Not because we will suffer after death but because it simply is the right thing to do.
I am not sure it has to do with age. You see, I a... (show quote)










It sounds like you come from good stock and that passed their moral underpinnings to their offspring. Our society could use more such good folks.

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Aug 6, 2015 14:24:40   #
KHH1
 
Nickolai wrote:
It sounds like you come from good stock and that passed their moral underpinnings to their offspring. Our society could use more such good folks.


:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

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