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Gallup: Americans Overestimate Gay Population 6-Fold
By CNSNews.com Staff | May 22, 2015 | 4:30 PM EDT

(CNSNews.com) - Americans believe that there are six times as many gays and lesbians in the population as there actually are, according to new data released by Gallup.

According to Gallup’s tracking surveys in the first four of 2015, 3.8 percent of the U.S. adult population says they are lesbian, gay, bisexual or t*********r.

However, in a survey conducted May 6-10, Gallup asked: “Just your best guess, what percent of Americans today would you say are gay or lesbian?"

On average, Americans said it was 23.2 percent.

Only 9 percent said they thought it was less than 5 percent—the most accurate possible answer in the Gallup survey. 11 percent said it was 5 percent to less than 10 percent. 14 percent said it was 10 percent to 15 percent. 7 percent said it was 15 percent to less than 20 percent. 20 percent said it was 20 percent to 25 percent. 33 percent said it was more than 25 percent. And 6 percent had no opinion.

The mean of the answers was that 23.2 percent of Americans are gay, and the median was 20 percent.

“Americans perceive that more than one in five Americans are gay or lesbian, far greater than the actual rate as measured by self-reports on Gallup Daily tracking,” said Gallup’s Frank Newport in an analysis of the survey data.

“Some of the overestimation may reflect Americans' lack of knowledge about social statistics and demography, which is supported by Americans' historical tendency to overestimate the prevalence of other subgroups in the U.S. population,” said Newport. “The overestimation may also reflect prominent media portrayals of gay characters on television and in movies, even as far back as 2002, and perhaps the high visibility of activists who have pushed gay causes, particularly legalizing same-sex marriage.”

The Gallup survey also showed that the younger an American adult was the more likely he or she was to estimate a higher percentage of gays in the population. People 65 and older, on average, estimated that 20 percent of the population was gay, and people 18 to 29 estimated that 28 percent of the population was gay.


That is what advertising can do. Keep making the same lie, louder and louder. A great campaign works well, even if the propaganda is a lie, and the results are devastating to a culture or the family, in the long run.

Kevyn

So all along the terrible threat conservitives have told us marrage e******y posed only effects a small number of people and is realy no threat at all.

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The radical feminist origins of same-sex marriage
Post for Tuesday, November 6, 2007 notice the date and look at what Canada has now in the line of H**e crime laws for saying anything that is not complimentary about homosexual, bisexual, or t*********r people

Canada has recently undergone a wrenching national debate on the issue of same-sex marriage (the result of which was its legalization), and this debate is being found well beyond our shores in other nations of Western civilization. When the debate was at its peak a number of people asked me where this debate came from, and how it had suddenly become so prevalent. The causes are many, of course, but one of the key sources has been radical feminism.

The modern feminist movement began in the mid-19th century in the United States, as an offshoot of the anti-s***ery movement. Many of the protagonists in the anti-s***ery movement were women, and they found themselves confronted with the reality that once the (male) s***es were freed, they would have more civil rights than the women who were working so hard to free them!

The initial women's movement had the goal of obtaining the right to v**e (i.e. women's suffrage). Those campaigning for women's suffrage (the "suffragettes") found themselves facing stiff opposition, however, and sometimes from other women! They also found their opponents using faith-based arguments to oppose their demands, which led some women to found "The Women's Bible" project, an attempt to reinterpret and re-present the scriptures in a way that took into account the perspective of women, in a radical way.

We should not be surprised to learn that a strong Marxist streak took root within the suffragette movement. Marxism had, as part of its core doctrine, the notion of class struggle and the need to promote class consciousness, something that echoed the experience of many of the suffragettes as they found themselves having to expend considerable energy to convince other women of their cause! Marxism was also radically opposed to religion as a negative force that perpetuated social injustice — again echoing the experience of the suffragettes as Bible quotes were tossed in their faces. It was not lost on many women that one of the first nations to grant universal suffrage was the nascent Soviet Union, in 1917.

Gradually, nation by nation granted women the right to v**e. With this goal achieved, this first "women's movement" began to die down. There were many social inequalities remaining, of course, but the idea was that once the women had the right to v**e and hold elected office, politicians would necessarily have to appeal to those women v**ers and the system would reform itself. One group, however, did not have this same confidence, and it continued to hold the feminist torch: the Marxist feminists, who believed that the problem was not merely of institutions but of culture, and that only a "revolution" in thinking and action could produce the desired results.

The most articulate of these later feminists was, without a doubt, the French philosopher Simone de Beauvoir. Her book The Second Sex became a manifesto for the future feminist movement, particularly in its radical form. In her book, de Beauvoir frankly admits that she intends to analyze the place of women from both a Marxist and an Existentialist perspective.

As an Existentialist, de Beauvoir did not believe that there was any objective human nature as such, and certainly no specific "feminine nature" that was not merely a cultural extra often imposed upon women. She did admit that men were, in generally, physically stronger than women. In an age of increasing industrialization, however, she declared this no longer relevant — surely a woman can drive a forklift, for example.
As a Marxist, de Beauvoir believed that all cultural features are driven by economic considerations. Again, with industrialization women were now capable of engaging in "productive" work on an equal level with men, at least in theory. In her analysis, such work was necessary to escaping from being s***es of men. That being said, however, there was at least one thing that might prevent a woman from engaging in this sort of work: pregnancy and child-rearing. De Beauvoir therefore issued a clear call for widely available birth control and a******n, to enable women to engage in the kind of work that would produce the desired social change.

De Beauvoir's work might have remained simply a dusty tome on a shelf had the world not lived a shattering experience: the Second World War. In this war, men by the thousands headed off to battle — and women to the factories. They became critical to the war effort by their "productive" work, work they had never really done before on such a scale, and they did it very well. While many desired to go "back to normal" once the war was over, there was no question that it was the start of the end for the illusion of what constituted "women's work". In addition to this factory experience was the experience of many women of leadership roles through organizations like the WAC's (Women's Army Corps). Many women learned that they could lead, and lead well, and the WAC experience built that sense of "g****r consciousness" for many.

The real trigger point, therefore, for the radical feminism of the 1960's was the development of the birth control pill. Here, at last, was the missing piece declared by de Beauvoir to be necessary for their total emancipation: an emancipation from the demands of their own fertility. Granted, condoms did exist prior to the Pill, but the use of a condom was often still the decision (or not) of the man. To take the Pill was a woman's choice, and one made outside the exact context of the sexual act. All the other social forces, combined with this new reality, led to the start of a paradigm shift in society, a shift that included a major upsurge in the work-related occupations of women, as well as the promotion of a******n on demand. Of course, there were some casualties: women who *did* choose to stay home and "look after the kids" often felt looked-down-upon by other women as being reactionary, or "counter-revolutionary".

I would like to point out that this feminist paradigm shift began to filter into the various Christian churches, usually Protestant, at this same time. The Protestant churches had been very cool to the "Women's Bible" project, but over time became more and more open to the aspirations of the feminist movement, even in its most radical forms. This effect was amplified through the influence of liberation theology, which was often communicated in Marxist forms. The acceptance of liberation theology within the liberal Protestant world was an open door to the more radical forms of feminist theology as well, given their Marxist roots. Because many such churches also had a very functionalist view of ministry (i.e. ministry is essentially a set of tasks, rather than a sacrament in itself), the Existentialist viewpoint of de Beauvoir also found fertile ground. Many such churches then began a process of ordaining women to ministry, and given the theological approach of Protestantism to questions of ministry this development was quite logical, even inevitable.

And now we get to the issue of same-sex marriage...

Simone de Beauvoir, in her Marxist analysis, was faced with a particular conundrum. Marxism posited a dualism in society, called the Master-S***e dialectic, in which once class (the Masters) would always oppress the other class (the S***es) until the oppressed class rose up against the oppressors in a Revolution, essentially wiping them out and creating a classless society. De Beauvoir was able to easily t***spose g****r onto this model, with Men as the Masters and Women as the S***es. She freely admitted, however, that there was a problem with the Marxist solution, because after all it would be impossible to wipe out all men and create a mono-g****r world. After all, who would father the next generation?

The feminists who followed de Beauvoir took up this intellectual challenge. While different solutions were proposed to the problem, one of the more radical was the development of a body of literature related to lesbianism. De Beauvoir had written a chapter in The Second Sex dev**ed to the experience of lesbianism, something she had personal experience of through a number of trysts, and in her work she noted that lesbian women, by their lack of romantic interest in men, had the capacity to be a vanguard in the development of a feminine class consciousness. Lesbianism, therefore, was now declared to actually be a social good, and lesbians were the social leaders for a new world of justice and e******y.

While I have not found it in the work of Simone de Beauvoir herself, I had found in the work of later authors the next logical development in this positive appreciation of homosexuality. In short, gay males provide the solution to de Beauvoir's conundrum of "what to do about the men". While gays are certainly male, by their exclusive interest in other men they are outside of the Master-S***e dialectic that oppresses women, and therefore are "safe". Indeed, in a most radical future, they could safely supply all the sperm needed to ensure the biological continuation of the human race, whose next major evolutionary step (necessary to ensure a classless society) would be to go from being heterosexual to being homosexual. The "women's liberation" movement quickly became the support base for a developing "homosexual liberation" movement as well, with the two in close partnership.

Promoting such a radical change would not be easy, of course, which led to a most curious development within the radical feminist movement: a positive appreciation of pornography and sexual license. For most of human history, the sign of an emancipated woman was her ability to express a right to NOT have sex. With the development of the birth control pill, however, a liberated woman was now seen as one who DID have sex, often, and even casually. A conflict arose within the feminist movement around pornography and prostitution, however: was this a fundamentally degrading thing, which promoted the continued oppression of women, or was it a liberating thing, with women essentially turning the tables on men by being paid large sums of money by them for something that, in the past, they would have been "forced" to do? Among the radicals, however, the pro-pornography case was much clearer, given their Marxist economic arguments and their desire to promote an acceptance of homosexuality. Much heterosexual porn actually contains homosexual elements, in the form of on-screen lesbianism or female bi-sexuality. While straight men might have been squeamish about gay sex, judging from consumption patterns they had much less problem with lesbians in porn — such that this form of "entertainment" became a way to promote an acceptance of lesbianism (and homosexuality) in general.

While the promotion of promiscuity was one stratagem for the creation of this brave new world, another was the co-opting of the Christian churches that had opened their doors most widely to feminism. The development of "gay and lesbian theology" soon followed the development of feminist theology, following the pattern of the respective liberation movements. Those churches who had accepted the "liberation" hermeneutic most profoundly found themselves inevitably ordaining openly practicing homosexuals as well. Simply put, the conclusion followed the premises. Of course, there has been the pesky problem of the Bible, which is even more explicitely anti-homosexual than it is supposedly anti-woman. The deconstructionist hermeneutics of the mid-20th century, however, which incorporated the idea of power struggle within the structure of texts themselves, were easily employed to void problematic Biblical passages of any real meaning.

When it came to the promotion of same-sex marriage, again the feminist (and homosexual) communities were divided. Many in both camps saw marriage as a fundamentally patriarchal, heterosexual institution, and they rejected it. A funny thing happened within the heterosexual world, however: many heterosexuals stopped getting married, and a "common-law" marriage began to occupy a greater and greater space. Laws were re-written to remove special preferences for married couples, and instead focussed on those specifically with children, whether in or out of actual wedlock. The Pill and accompanying sexual revolution had removed the idea of a necessary link between sex and children, and now the institutionalization of common-law relationship weakened the sense of a link between marriage, sex, and children. For many, one did not get married to have kids (the children being already present beforehand, in many cases!) but to make a public declaration of love for the other.

Of course, in such a situation a move for same-sex marriage was inevitable. Marriage still retained great respect within the populace, given its link to "love without shame", so it made sense that homosexuals who desired more than just social tolerance for their relationships would make a push for same-sex marriage.

The whole push for same-sex marriage, therefore, is another step on a long road. It is something that is seen by many as required for the creation of a society without a Master-S***e dialectic around g****r. And it is not an end in itself. The dominant radical feminist vision includes a strong Existentialist viewpoint, which implies that one's sexual attractions are inherently flexible. Many young people today are encouraged to be "open" in their sexuality, and to experiment with same-sex relationships. Indeed, an emerging term used to describe this attitude is "hetero-flexible", meaning that the person feels generally heterosexual but is open to other possibilities. Of course, for those interested in leading the forces of continuing social change, the approval of same-sex marriage also legitimizes (or even mandates!) the changing of educational systems for children to promote this new "openness" to homosexuality.

In conclusion, we must look to the future. The social battles around same-sex marriage are really about choosing the fundamental structure of society. Many religions, such as my own, maintain the importance of g****r distinction, both in doctrine and in practice. These same religions typically disapprove of homosexual conduct and relationships. Will such bodies continue to enjoy unfettered freedom of religion? Another looming battle surrounds the nature of parenthood in society. Will parents continue to have the right to pass on their values to the next generation, even in they conflict with this emerging "social consciousness"? Given that the legal change for same-sex marriage in Canada necessarily involved the denial of any parental rights based on natural family bonds, this may prove to be a struggle for years to come.

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Former C*******t spy: KGB created Catholic liberation theology

2 May 2015 14:04 Damian Thompson

The respected Catholic News Agency has published an interview with Ion Mihai Pacepa, a former general in Romania’s secret police who was one of the Eastern Bloc’s highest-ranking defectors in the 1970s. In it, he says that Soviet Union – and the KGB in particular – created liberation theology, the quasi-Marxist movement that flourished in Latin America from the 1960s to the 1990s and is still a powerful influence on the Catholic Left.

The interview provides fresh evidence of the infiltration of liberation theology by Russia – a subject Catholic liberals would much rather not discuss, just as they don’t want to know about the heavy Soviet investment in CND.

But first, some caveats. Pacepa, pictured above in specs that look as if they were designed by Dame Edna, is now well to the right of the American political spectrum. He’s not into nuance and he exaggerates. I don’t believe that the KGB ‘created’ a movement as complex as liberation theology and I’m far from convinced that its name was dreamt up in the Lubyanka.

But Pacepa – whose defection to the US in 1978 scared Ceausescu so badly that he reportedly tried to get Carlos the Jackal to k**l him – makes detailed claims that the Soviets kick-started, funded and moulded liberation theology (some of whose priests, it must be conceded, worked heroically among the poor).

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He cites as one of his sources Aleksandr Sakharovsky, the Russian agent who set up Romania’s secret police agency. Pacepa describes him as his ‘de facto boss’ in the 1950s. Sakharovsky later became head of the First Chief Directorate of the KGB.

Here are the key quotes from the interview:

The birth of Liberation Theology was the intent of a 1960 super-secret ‘Party-State Dezinformatsiya Programme’ approved by Aleksandr Shelepin, the chairman of the KGB, and by Politburo member Aleksey Kirichenko, who coordinated the C*******t Party’s international policies. This programme demanded that the KGB take secret control of the World Council of Churches (WCC), based in Geneva, Switzerland, and use it as cover for converting Liberation Theology into a South American revolutionary tool …

The KGB began by building an intermediate international religious organization called the Christian Peace Conference (CPC), which was headquartered in Prague. Its main task was to bring the KGB-created Liberation Theology into the real world.

The new Christian Peace Conference was managed by the KGB and was subordinated to the venerable World Peace Council, another KGB creation, founded in 1949 and by then also headquartered in Prague …

During my years at the top of the Soviet bloc intelligence community I managed the Romanian operations of the World Peace Council (WPC). It was as purely KGB as it gets. Most of the WPC’s employees were undercover Soviet bloc intelligence officers … Even the money for the WPC budget came from Moscow, delivered by the KGB in the form of laundered cash dollars to hide their Soviet origin. In 1989, when the Soviet Union was on the verge of collapse, the WPC publicly admitted that 90 per cent of its money came from the KGB.

And now the bit that will really wind up Catholic liberals:

I was not involved in the creation of Liberation Theology per se. From Sakharovsky I learned, however, that in 1968 the KGB-created Christian Peace Conference, supported by the world-wide World Peace Council, was able to manoeuvre a group of l*****t South American bishops into holding a Conference of Latin American Bishops at Medellin, Colombia. The Conference’s official task was to ameliorate poverty. Its undeclared goal was to recognise a new religious movement encouraging the poor to rebel against the ‘institutionalised violence of poverty’, and to recommend the new movement to the World Council of Churches for official approval.

The Medellin Conference achieved both goals. It also bought the KGB-born name ‘Liberation Theology’.

The Medellin conference is spoken of with hushed reverence by Christian liberals, Protestants as well as Catholics. Its ‘option for the poor’ was central to the thinking of Gustavo Gutiérrez, the Dominican theologian who has a far stronger claim to be the founder of liberation theology than the KGB.

But, to quote Mario Aguilar’s book Pope Francis: His Life and Thought, ‘Gutiérrez’s work certainly inspired numerous theological writings that used Marxism as a hermeneutical tool for exploring social realities’. This displeased Fr Jorge Bergoglio, who as Provincial Superior of the Argentinian Jesuits tried to stamp out the political excesses of liberation theologians. (As Pope he has spoken more warmly of the movement, but lefty South American Jesuits have long memories and many will never forgive him.)

It did please Moscow, however – especially as liberation theologians conspicuously failed to condemn the horrors of the Brezhnev era. And it would be naive to dismiss claims that the Soviet Union pumped money into the movement. Pacepa’s interview deserves impartial critical scrutiny. But I can’t see that happening, because it raises questions that are terribly embarrassing for Catholic liberals.


the connections that have been finally out in the open between Marxism, the liberation theologies, George Soros the Rev Wright and the black liberation and gay liberation theology and "community organizer" (a term first used for C*******t fellow travelers, Barack Obama should help those who are not so far to the left that they are either fellow travelers or c*******t sympathizers, to understand the reasons for the concerns from the rest of us. Those who are "progressives" will not change their minds, but keep in mind that :progressive" in that context is a term coined by CPUSA for c*******ts and fellow travelers.