White Male V**er Problem: For Hillary Clinton'
Jul 13, 2015 19:35:05 #
Hillary Clinton's White Male V**er Problem
http://www.nationaljournal.com/2016-e******ns/hillary-clinton-s-white-male-v**er-problem-20150712
Democrats fear that their party's declining appeal with white v**ers, particularly white men, will bite them in 2016 despite strong performance with growing demographics.
He lives in a working-class neighborhood, with a cigar-store Indian perched on his front stoop and a carved Harley-Davidson sign on his garage. He's v**ed in Democratic primaries, he's older, he's whiteand he does not care for Hillary Clinton.
Not one little bit. http://www.nationaljournal.com/hillary-clinton-2016-e******n
He made this very clear, in fact, to a Clinton campaign volunteer who rang his doorbell recently only to watch the front door close on him just seconds into his pitch.
A short while later, his wife, Pamela, offered this explanation before similarly shutting the door: "We're not interested. We don't like her."
So while Republicans fret about their party's outreach to Latinos and other minorities, this one Saturday morning door-knock encapsulates the fear among leading Democrats:
Their party no longer speaks to white people, particularly white men, and they could lose the White House because of it.
"Democrats are hemorrhaging those v**ers and need to figure out how to stop the bleeding," said Mo Elleithee, a former top Democratic National Committee official who now runs Georgetown University's Institute of Politics and Public Service.
"There could come a point where Democrats cannot afford to lose any more white v**ers. It's in the interest of Democrats to be taking steps to reverse that now."
Elleithee pointed to Florida, where President Obama's 2-and-a-half-point 2008 victory narrowed to a 1-point 2012 win, which then became a 1-point loss in Democrat Charlie Crist's run for governor in 2014even though the Crist campaign hit its turnout targets for African-Americans and Latinos.
Steve Schale worked on all three campaigns.
He said it makes more sense to increase support from w****s just a little bit than trying to boost support from minority groups a lot.
"Take Hispanics alone: Every point of white share you lose, you have to win Hispanics by 4 to 5 points more" to make up for it, Schale said.
"In '08, we knew if we really focused on keeping w****s above 40 (percent), we couldn't lose. To me, that makes more sense than always trying to cobble out a tight win. And at some point we are going to max out (with) Hispanics."
Meanwhile, Republican pollster Bill McInturff scratches his head while watching all this hand-wringing over a demographic group that will continue to decline in significance.
For one thing, he said, the 27-percentage point advantage Republicans built among white men in 2012 is probably about as bad as it can get for Clinton, given that a sizeable percentage of white men are white-collar liberals.
McInturff has prepared an analysis that even increases the Republican advantage with white men, to 31 percent, and decreases the GOP's disadvantage among black and Latino v**ers slightly. But it still shows Republicans losing the next e******n by 3 points.
So to him, it's not even worth debating whether Clinton should work to appeal more to white men, which her husband Bill Clinton successfully did 23 years ago, rather than the "Obama coalition" of urban w****s, young people, and minorities.
"The hell with it," he said. "For all the trees that have been k**led by the press about which strategy she should pursue, her campaign is doing exactly the right thing. There's not a choice. She's pursuing the one strategy that will win the presidency."
Whether Democrats need to worry about Clinton's support among white men or not, her weakness with them is already turning up in polls of early-v****g Iowa and New Hampshire, both of which are overwhelmingly white.
(RELATED: What Hill Democrats Want to Hear From Hillary Clinton)
Prominent Iowa pollster Ann Selzer cites a May survey that showed Clinton leading Sen. Bernie Sanders by 40 points among womenbut by less than 10 points among menin the Democratic caucuses. In the New Hampshire primary, Sanders is actually running even with Clinton among men, said Suffolk University pollster David Paleologos.
Why this is happening is less clear. Democratic pollster Peter Hart said that while Latino and black men tend to be firmly in the Democratic fold, white men are typically more conservative and Republican in ideology.
Kathy Sullivan, a former chair of the New Hampshire Democratic Party, suggested it might be the topics Clinton talks about. "Perhaps men are not as interested in early-education issues, or women's-health issues," she said.
Some New Hampshire v**ers had a much simpler explanation.
"I h**e to say it, but I think it's because she's a woman," said Tim Molan, a neighbor of Savage. "I grew up in an age when women were supposed to be seen and not heard. It's a different world, and she helped forge it."
"I think men have a problem with strong women," agreed Paula Pierce, another neighbor.
Her husband, Mark, said many of his male coworkers at United Parcel Service, particularly the ones who did not attend college, distrust her and fear Clinton will have little regard for people like them. "She's got so much money," he said.
The irony for Clinton is that lesser-educated, working-class w****s became her base of support in the spring of 2008, as she won primaries in states like Ohio, Pennsylvania, and West Virginia in her last battle for the Democratic nomination.
In one infamous interview with USA Today, she focused specifically on white v**ers: "Obama's support among working, hardworking Americans, w***e A******ns, is weakening."http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/politics/e******n2008/2008-05-07-clintoninterview_N.htm
Paula Pierce said that history proves that male dislike for Clinton does not come from a good place.
"So it was the lesser of two evils. A white woman over an African-American," she said of Clinton's 2008 late spring surge.
"We need more women. We've got way too much testosterone flying around.
http://www.nationaljournal.com/2016-e******ns/memo-to-hillary-you-re-still-the-problem-20150711?mrefid=related
http://www.nationaljournal.com/pictures-video/photos-hillary-clinton-career-20150410?mrefid=related
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http://www.nationaljournal.com/bernie-sanders-2016-e******n
http://www.nationaljournal.com/magazine/teresa-ghilarducci-hillary-clinton-adviser-20150626?mrefid=related
http://www.nationaljournal.com/2016-e******ns/hillary-clinton-s-white-male-v**er-problem-20150712
Democrats fear that their party's declining appeal with white v**ers, particularly white men, will bite them in 2016 despite strong performance with growing demographics.
He lives in a working-class neighborhood, with a cigar-store Indian perched on his front stoop and a carved Harley-Davidson sign on his garage. He's v**ed in Democratic primaries, he's older, he's whiteand he does not care for Hillary Clinton.
Not one little bit. http://www.nationaljournal.com/hillary-clinton-2016-e******n
He made this very clear, in fact, to a Clinton campaign volunteer who rang his doorbell recently only to watch the front door close on him just seconds into his pitch.
A short while later, his wife, Pamela, offered this explanation before similarly shutting the door: "We're not interested. We don't like her."
So while Republicans fret about their party's outreach to Latinos and other minorities, this one Saturday morning door-knock encapsulates the fear among leading Democrats:
Their party no longer speaks to white people, particularly white men, and they could lose the White House because of it.
"Democrats are hemorrhaging those v**ers and need to figure out how to stop the bleeding," said Mo Elleithee, a former top Democratic National Committee official who now runs Georgetown University's Institute of Politics and Public Service.
"There could come a point where Democrats cannot afford to lose any more white v**ers. It's in the interest of Democrats to be taking steps to reverse that now."
Elleithee pointed to Florida, where President Obama's 2-and-a-half-point 2008 victory narrowed to a 1-point 2012 win, which then became a 1-point loss in Democrat Charlie Crist's run for governor in 2014even though the Crist campaign hit its turnout targets for African-Americans and Latinos.
Steve Schale worked on all three campaigns.
He said it makes more sense to increase support from w****s just a little bit than trying to boost support from minority groups a lot.
"Take Hispanics alone: Every point of white share you lose, you have to win Hispanics by 4 to 5 points more" to make up for it, Schale said.
"In '08, we knew if we really focused on keeping w****s above 40 (percent), we couldn't lose. To me, that makes more sense than always trying to cobble out a tight win. And at some point we are going to max out (with) Hispanics."
Meanwhile, Republican pollster Bill McInturff scratches his head while watching all this hand-wringing over a demographic group that will continue to decline in significance.
For one thing, he said, the 27-percentage point advantage Republicans built among white men in 2012 is probably about as bad as it can get for Clinton, given that a sizeable percentage of white men are white-collar liberals.
McInturff has prepared an analysis that even increases the Republican advantage with white men, to 31 percent, and decreases the GOP's disadvantage among black and Latino v**ers slightly. But it still shows Republicans losing the next e******n by 3 points.
So to him, it's not even worth debating whether Clinton should work to appeal more to white men, which her husband Bill Clinton successfully did 23 years ago, rather than the "Obama coalition" of urban w****s, young people, and minorities.
"The hell with it," he said. "For all the trees that have been k**led by the press about which strategy she should pursue, her campaign is doing exactly the right thing. There's not a choice. She's pursuing the one strategy that will win the presidency."
Whether Democrats need to worry about Clinton's support among white men or not, her weakness with them is already turning up in polls of early-v****g Iowa and New Hampshire, both of which are overwhelmingly white.
(RELATED: What Hill Democrats Want to Hear From Hillary Clinton)
Prominent Iowa pollster Ann Selzer cites a May survey that showed Clinton leading Sen. Bernie Sanders by 40 points among womenbut by less than 10 points among menin the Democratic caucuses. In the New Hampshire primary, Sanders is actually running even with Clinton among men, said Suffolk University pollster David Paleologos.
Why this is happening is less clear. Democratic pollster Peter Hart said that while Latino and black men tend to be firmly in the Democratic fold, white men are typically more conservative and Republican in ideology.
Kathy Sullivan, a former chair of the New Hampshire Democratic Party, suggested it might be the topics Clinton talks about. "Perhaps men are not as interested in early-education issues, or women's-health issues," she said.
Some New Hampshire v**ers had a much simpler explanation.
"I h**e to say it, but I think it's because she's a woman," said Tim Molan, a neighbor of Savage. "I grew up in an age when women were supposed to be seen and not heard. It's a different world, and she helped forge it."
"I think men have a problem with strong women," agreed Paula Pierce, another neighbor.
Her husband, Mark, said many of his male coworkers at United Parcel Service, particularly the ones who did not attend college, distrust her and fear Clinton will have little regard for people like them. "She's got so much money," he said.
The irony for Clinton is that lesser-educated, working-class w****s became her base of support in the spring of 2008, as she won primaries in states like Ohio, Pennsylvania, and West Virginia in her last battle for the Democratic nomination.
In one infamous interview with USA Today, she focused specifically on white v**ers: "Obama's support among working, hardworking Americans, w***e A******ns, is weakening."http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/politics/e******n2008/2008-05-07-clintoninterview_N.htm
Paula Pierce said that history proves that male dislike for Clinton does not come from a good place.
"So it was the lesser of two evils. A white woman over an African-American," she said of Clinton's 2008 late spring surge.
"We need more women. We've got way too much testosterone flying around.
http://www.nationaljournal.com/2016-e******ns/memo-to-hillary-you-re-still-the-problem-20150711?mrefid=related
http://www.nationaljournal.com/pictures-video/photos-hillary-clinton-career-20150410?mrefid=related
http://www.nationaljournal.com/2016-e******ns/what-hill-democrats-want-to-hear-from-hillary-clinton-20150712?mrefid=related
http://www.nationaljournal.com/bernie-sanders-2016-e******n
http://www.nationaljournal.com/magazine/teresa-ghilarducci-hillary-clinton-adviser-20150626?mrefid=related
Jul 13, 2015 19:40:28 #
Obama did not get the majority white male v**e either time...the female v**e will fill the void.
Jul 13, 2015 19:46:45 #
Scoop Henderson
Loc: The Rez, (I am from Egypt)
The maggot old lady clinton has a bigger problem than white males.
Jul 13, 2015 19:46:58 #
Jul 13, 2015 20:07:09 #
Scoop Henderson wrote:
The maggot old lady clinton has a bigger problem than white males.
Hillary has foot and mouth disease messages.
Not to mention the 1/20/2015 is Federal Pre-Trial Court Hearing for
1. Racketeering and RICO charges.
2. FIOA, charges.
3. Destruction Of Government Property, charges.
4. Obstruction of Justice, charges.
5. Pergery while under oath, charges.
6. IRS Tax 990 code violation,charges, from the Clinton Foundation for accepting Financial gains, that were not reported on the Foundation since 2003, and
7. Three congressional and judiciary subpoena's, charges.
But the real fireworks start on 1/25/2016 with opening arguments from the Plaintiff's Judicial Watch and then Bill and Hillary lawyers will be trying to defend against Judicial Watch.
Two weeks from now on the 27 and the 28th of July is the first of their depositions from Judicial Watch. And all of this is happening as Hillary is campaigning for the 2016 presidency.
Her Poll numbers and popularity and trustworthiness will be plummeting.
Chant RICO, RICO, RICO, RICO, RICO, RICO, RICO, RICO, Hillary's new campaign theme, RICO, RICO, RICO, RICO, RICO, RICO, RICO, RICO.
A 4 x 6 cell may be in store in her future ?
Jul 13, 2015 20:12:45 #
KHH1 wrote:
Obama did not get the majority white male v**e either time...the female v**e will fill the void.
I'm sure Not v****g for Monica's exboyfriend's wife...NO WAY
Jul 13, 2015 20:14:33 #
Jul 13, 2015 20:14:38 #
Scoop Henderson
Loc: The Rez, (I am from Egypt)
Ha, when my age 91 Mom who pledged allegiance to democrats since 1946 says enough is enough and now embraces my viewpoint that all politicians are maggots, then the citizens have the upper hand.
Jul 13, 2015 20:15:38 #
Are you white and over 18, then white male v**er are a problem Problem are for Hillary Clinton.
RICO, RICO, RICO, RICO, RICO, RICO, RICO, RICO, RICO, RICO,
RICO, RICO, RICO, RICO, RICO, RICO, RICO, RICO, RICO, RICO,
Jul 13, 2015 20:18:21 #
Scoop Henderson wrote:
Ha, when my age 91 Mom who pledged allegiance to democrats since 1946 says enough is enough and now embraces my viewpoint that all politicians are maggots, then the citizens have the upper hand.
Then Hillary has a white female v**er problem, also.
Jul 13, 2015 20:22:33 #
Jul 14, 2015 12:14:23 #
Doc110 wrote:
Hillary Clinton's White Male V**er Problem br b... (show quote)
Democrats have always had an older white male v**er problem. Younger white males are not as stupid as their fathers and grandfathers, therefore there is no problem. Couple that dynamic with the female v**e, black v**e, Asian v**e, and Hispanic v**e, there is no hope of a Republican occupying the White House for a long time.
Jul 14, 2015 12:23:24 #
Ricko
Loc: Florida
3jack wrote:
Democrats have always had an older white male v**er problem. Younger white males are not as stupid as their fathers and grandfathers, therefore there is no problem. Couple that dynamic with the female v**e, black v**e, Asian v**e, and Hispanic v**e, there is no hope of a Republican occupying the White House for a long time.
3jack-hopefully the witch will be in jail before the v****g begins. Your obvious support for that incompetent, dishonest hag tells us all we need to know. For lefties its always party before country. Go Trump !!! House cleaning time in D.C. Good Luck America !!!
Jul 14, 2015 12:29:42 #
3jack wrote:
Democrats have always had an older white male v**er problem. Younger white males are not as stupid as their fathers and grandfathers, therefore there is no problem. Couple that dynamic with the female v**e, black v**e, Asian v**e, and Hispanic v**e, there is no hope of a Republican occupying the White House for a long time.
Hillary has foot and mouth disease messages. She can't win not with this law suit coming up like a fright train, she has nooooo Chhhhaaaannnncccceeee/
Not to mention the 1/20/2015 is Federal Pre-Trial Court Hearing for
1. Racketeering and RICO charges.
2. FIOA, charges.
3. Destruction Of Government Property, charges.
4. Obstruction of Justice, charges.
5. Pergery while under oath, charges.
6. IRS Tax 990 code violation,charges, from the Clinton Foundation for accepting Financial gains, that were not reported on the Foundation since 2003, and
7. Three congressional and judiciary subpoena's, charges.
But the real fireworks start on 1/25/2016 with opening arguments from the Plaintiff's Judicial Watch and then Bill and Hillary lawyers will be trying to defend against Judicial Watch.
Two weeks from now on the 27 and the 28th of July is the first of their depositions from Judicial Watch. And all of this is happening as Hillary is campaigning for the 2016 presidency.
Her Poll numbers and popularity and trustworthiness will be plummeting.
Chant RICO, RICO, RICO, RICO, RICO, RICO, RICO, RICO, Hillary's new campaign theme, RICO, RICO, RICO, RICO, RICO, RICO, RICO, RICO.
Jul 14, 2015 12:30:38 #
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