"Event Data Recorders: Your Car," Wont Be Your After 2015
Jul 12, 2015 18:53:29 #
7/11/15 "Event Data Recorders" Your Car Wont Be Your After 2015
http://spectator.org/articles/35630/your-car-wont-be-after-2015
http://dailysignal.com/2015/07/07/oregon-becomes-first-state-to-try-taxing-drivers-by-miles-they-drive/
Mandatory "Event Data Recorders" will even know you're speeding in reverse.
After a certain point, it's not paranoia.
The latest brick in the wall is the predictably named "Moving Ahead For Progress in the 21st Century Act," also known as Senate Bill 1813.
(See here for the full text of the bill itself; the relevant section is 31406.)
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/112/s1813/text
This legislation -- already passed by the Senate and likely to be passed by the House -- will impose a legal requirement that all new cars made beginning with the 2015 models be fitted with so-called Event Data Recorders (EDRs).
These are the "black boxes" you may have read about that store data about how you drive -- including whether you wear a seat belt and how fast you drive -- ostensibly for purposes of post-accident investigation.
These EDRs are not new.
GM and other automakers have been installing them in new cars for years -- in GM's case, since the late 1990s.
What's new is the proposed federal mandate, which would make it illegal to not have one -- or (in all likelihood) to remove or disable one in a car required to have the device.
The question arises: why? Several possibilities come to mind:
First, the EDRs could be -- and almost certainly will be -- tied into your vehicle's GPS. (Most new and late model cars, conveniently, already have this, too.)
Then data about your driving can be t***smitted -- as well as recorded. To whom? Your insurance company, of course.
Progressive Insurance already has such a system in place -- voluntary, for the moment. When EDRs are mandated, you will no longer have a choice.
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We'll be told it's all for the sake of (groan) "safety" -- just like the old 55 MPH highway speed limit and every radar trap in the country.
Of course, it's really for the sake of revenue -- the government's and the insurance company's.
Your rates will be "adjusted" in real time, for every incident of "speeding" or not buckling up. It'll be so much more efficient than using cops to issue tickets. After all, so many fishes escape!
With an EDR in every car, no one will escape. Your "adjusted" premium will be waiting for you when you get home.
You've got mail!
And naturally, they -- the government, insurance companies -- will be able to track your every move, noting (and recording) where you've been and when.
This will create a surveillance net beyond anything that ever existed previously. Some will not sweat this: After all, if you've got nothing to hide, why worry?
Except for the fact that, courtesy of almost everything we do being either "illegal" or at least "suspicious," we all have a great deal to hide.
The naivety of the Don't Worry, it's No Big Deal crowd is breathtaking.
But the last possibility is probably the creepiest: EDRs tied into your car's GPS will give them -- the government and/or corporations -- literal physical control over (hack) "your" vehicle.
This is not conspiracy theorizing. It is technological fact. Current GM vehicles equipped with the same technology about to be mandated for every vehicle can be disabled remotely.
Just turned off. All the OnStar operator has to do is send the appropriate command over the GPS to your car's computer, which controls the engine.
It is one of the features touted by OnStar -- of course, as a "safety" feature.
In the future, it will be used to limit your driving -- for the sake of "energy conservation" or, perhaps, "the environment."
It will be the perfect, er, vehicle, for implementing U.N. Agenda 21 -- the plan to herd all of us formerly free-range tax cattle into urban feedlots.
So much easier to control us this way. No more bailing out to the country or living off the grid - unless you get there (and to your work) by walking.
The pieces are all coming together.
First, computer-controlled cars. Next, widespread adoption of GPS in cars.
Then, EDRs tied into them.
Viola. "Your" car is suddenly under the control of others. Just as "your" other (cough, hack) property -- "your" home, for example -- is under the control of others. It does not matter that you paid for it.
Or even that you have the legal fiction of ownership. You do not control "your" property -- hence it is really the property of others.
You are merely allowed to use said property -- under certain conditions -- by the leave of the true owners.
And once SB 1813 is passed and signed into law, there will no longer be an opt-out. In fact, sure as the rooster crows in the morning, you can bet the next step will a law requiring older cars not originally fitted with the technology be fitted with it -- or else decommissioned.
It is inconceivable that they -- the government and its insurance company cronies -- will allow anyone to drive a vehicle not subject to this monitoring and control.
They will insist it's not "safe" -- and of course, "unfair" that owners of older cars not equipped with EDRs are able to "get away" with "speeding" and not wearing their seat belts.
Our cars were once a tangible expression of the freedom ideal. They are fast becoming mobile cages. And the really devilish thing is they're making us pay the costs of our own imprisonment, too.
http://spectator.org/articles/35630/your-car-wont-be-after-2015
http://dailysignal.com/2015/07/07/oregon-becomes-first-state-to-try-taxing-drivers-by-miles-they-drive/
Mandatory "Event Data Recorders" will even know you're speeding in reverse.
After a certain point, it's not paranoia.
The latest brick in the wall is the predictably named "Moving Ahead For Progress in the 21st Century Act," also known as Senate Bill 1813.
(See here for the full text of the bill itself; the relevant section is 31406.)
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/112/s1813/text
This legislation -- already passed by the Senate and likely to be passed by the House -- will impose a legal requirement that all new cars made beginning with the 2015 models be fitted with so-called Event Data Recorders (EDRs).
These are the "black boxes" you may have read about that store data about how you drive -- including whether you wear a seat belt and how fast you drive -- ostensibly for purposes of post-accident investigation.
These EDRs are not new.
GM and other automakers have been installing them in new cars for years -- in GM's case, since the late 1990s.
What's new is the proposed federal mandate, which would make it illegal to not have one -- or (in all likelihood) to remove or disable one in a car required to have the device.
The question arises: why? Several possibilities come to mind:
First, the EDRs could be -- and almost certainly will be -- tied into your vehicle's GPS. (Most new and late model cars, conveniently, already have this, too.)
Then data about your driving can be t***smitted -- as well as recorded. To whom? Your insurance company, of course.
Progressive Insurance already has such a system in place -- voluntary, for the moment. When EDRs are mandated, you will no longer have a choice.
spectator-ad-inline-2
We'll be told it's all for the sake of (groan) "safety" -- just like the old 55 MPH highway speed limit and every radar trap in the country.
Of course, it's really for the sake of revenue -- the government's and the insurance company's.
Your rates will be "adjusted" in real time, for every incident of "speeding" or not buckling up. It'll be so much more efficient than using cops to issue tickets. After all, so many fishes escape!
With an EDR in every car, no one will escape. Your "adjusted" premium will be waiting for you when you get home.
You've got mail!
And naturally, they -- the government, insurance companies -- will be able to track your every move, noting (and recording) where you've been and when.
This will create a surveillance net beyond anything that ever existed previously. Some will not sweat this: After all, if you've got nothing to hide, why worry?
Except for the fact that, courtesy of almost everything we do being either "illegal" or at least "suspicious," we all have a great deal to hide.
The naivety of the Don't Worry, it's No Big Deal crowd is breathtaking.
But the last possibility is probably the creepiest: EDRs tied into your car's GPS will give them -- the government and/or corporations -- literal physical control over (hack) "your" vehicle.
This is not conspiracy theorizing. It is technological fact. Current GM vehicles equipped with the same technology about to be mandated for every vehicle can be disabled remotely.
Just turned off. All the OnStar operator has to do is send the appropriate command over the GPS to your car's computer, which controls the engine.
It is one of the features touted by OnStar -- of course, as a "safety" feature.
In the future, it will be used to limit your driving -- for the sake of "energy conservation" or, perhaps, "the environment."
It will be the perfect, er, vehicle, for implementing U.N. Agenda 21 -- the plan to herd all of us formerly free-range tax cattle into urban feedlots.
So much easier to control us this way. No more bailing out to the country or living off the grid - unless you get there (and to your work) by walking.
The pieces are all coming together.
First, computer-controlled cars. Next, widespread adoption of GPS in cars.
Then, EDRs tied into them.
Viola. "Your" car is suddenly under the control of others. Just as "your" other (cough, hack) property -- "your" home, for example -- is under the control of others. It does not matter that you paid for it.
Or even that you have the legal fiction of ownership. You do not control "your" property -- hence it is really the property of others.
You are merely allowed to use said property -- under certain conditions -- by the leave of the true owners.
And once SB 1813 is passed and signed into law, there will no longer be an opt-out. In fact, sure as the rooster crows in the morning, you can bet the next step will a law requiring older cars not originally fitted with the technology be fitted with it -- or else decommissioned.
It is inconceivable that they -- the government and its insurance company cronies -- will allow anyone to drive a vehicle not subject to this monitoring and control.
They will insist it's not "safe" -- and of course, "unfair" that owners of older cars not equipped with EDRs are able to "get away" with "speeding" and not wearing their seat belts.
Our cars were once a tangible expression of the freedom ideal. They are fast becoming mobile cages. And the really devilish thing is they're making us pay the costs of our own imprisonment, too.
Jul 12, 2015 19:33:24 #
Jul 12, 2015 19:40:15 #
3jack wrote:
Wheeee!!!!!!!!!!
This is probably ordered by the insurance lobby. If it is your fault you get screwed. Don't speed, keep that seat belt on.
Jul 12, 2015 20:04:26 #
Mountain Woman
Loc: the wide open spaces
I knew it! I just knew it had something to do with the gov't.
I switched this year from Liberty Mutual to AAA, because Lib. Mut. has lost the integrity they had for years. AAA said they were gonna send me a "smartrek" device for my older Ford Explorer, but for some reason, it never came. So I made the required payments; then I got a letter saying my premiums are increased about $10.00 per month, because of my not having this device. That caused me to seriously question it...and now you have confirmed it.
Won't be long, and they'll have a meter in our bathrooms to register the number of squares of toilet paper we use per sitting.
I switched this year from Liberty Mutual to AAA, because Lib. Mut. has lost the integrity they had for years. AAA said they were gonna send me a "smartrek" device for my older Ford Explorer, but for some reason, it never came. So I made the required payments; then I got a letter saying my premiums are increased about $10.00 per month, because of my not having this device. That caused me to seriously question it...and now you have confirmed it.
Won't be long, and they'll have a meter in our bathrooms to register the number of squares of toilet paper we use per sitting.
Jul 12, 2015 20:09:53 #
moldyoldy wrote:
This is probably ordered by the insurance lobby. If it is your fault you get screwed. Don't speed, keep that seat belt on.
Moldy, if you really stop and think about this.... this is dangerous as heck. This is no different that those blow machines in cars for those who have had a DUI. If you are driving down the highway flowing with traffic after work on your way home and they cut your car off for wh**ever reason, that could create a fatal accident. Then who is responsible? This is nothing but a lawsuit waiting to happen, not to mention it is an encroachment on your/mine/our rights.
Jul 12, 2015 20:19:40 #
Doc110 wrote:
7/11/15 "Event Data Recorders" Your C... (show quote)
Have never had a radar detector. Don't need one. If you obey the speed limit and other traffic safety laws you don't have to worry about the above. If it helps drivers follow speed limits, etc. I thank them for it. When seat belts were first put on cars in the mid-1960s I resented them and refused to "buckle up." After a half century I insist they be buckled before the ignition is activated. Follow the "law" and live guilt free.
Jul 12, 2015 20:31:30 #
righty wrote:
Moldy, if you really stop and think about this.... this is dangerous as heck. This is no different that those blow machines in cars for those who have had a DUI. If you are driving down the highway flowing with traffic after work on your way home and they cut your car off for wh**ever reason, that could create a fatal accident. Then who is responsible? This is nothing but a lawsuit waiting to happen, not to mention it is an encroachment on your/mine/our rights.
I totally agree. I just think the insurance lobby wants this, and they pushed the politicians.
Jul 12, 2015 20:34:56 #
moldyoldy wrote:
I totally agree. I just think the insurance lobby wants this, and they pushed the politicians.
I agree. It always seems to be about the lobbyist unfortunately :(
Jul 12, 2015 20:38:05 #
righty wrote:
I agree. It always seems to be about the lobbyist unfortunately :(
I am sorry that we have to agree on something. It will probably ruin both our reputations.
Jul 12, 2015 20:44:08 #
Mountain Woman
Loc: the wide open spaces
Insurance lobby is definitely on board with it, but I think it
originated with the government. Their gig is not our safety, but control. We've been entirely too free to zip out to California or back to Chicago. A people who can do such things can't be easily controlled. There has been plenty of indication for quite some time that the higher-ups in government are frustrated with the level of independence we've enjoyed in this country. This will clip our wings for sure. It's not as much fun, planning a trip, with Big Brother along.
originated with the government. Their gig is not our safety, but control. We've been entirely too free to zip out to California or back to Chicago. A people who can do such things can't be easily controlled. There has been plenty of indication for quite some time that the higher-ups in government are frustrated with the level of independence we've enjoyed in this country. This will clip our wings for sure. It's not as much fun, planning a trip, with Big Brother along.
Jul 13, 2015 00:20:14 #
Mountain Woman wrote:
Insurance lobby is definitely on board with it, bu... (show quote)
Another dev**ee of conspiracy theories.
Jul 13, 2015 00:21:01 #
Jul 13, 2015 00:22:15 #
THATS'S RIGHT YOU DON'T OWN A CAR OR A TRUCK, BECAUSE YOU CANT AFORD ONE ON WELFARE.
Jul 13, 2015 00:31:51 #
9th Marines wrote:
Have never had a radar detector. Don't need one. If you obey the speed limit and other traffic safety laws you don't have to worry about the above. If it helps drivers follow speed limits, etc. I thank them for it. When seat belts were first put on cars in the mid-1960s I resented them and refused to "buckle up." After a half century I insist they be buckled before the ignition is activated. Follow the "law" and live guilt free.
Did you not read the title and the article about "Event Data Recorders,"They are the little black box that records where you go, how you drive, and how many miles you drive so that the State and federal Government can tax your driving lifestyle.
It has noting to do with seed radar devices to catch you speeding.
All the car rental companies already record all your driving habits.
This intreated chip is for the new taxation on your car.
see these articles and understand what will will happen next year and the years to come all over the USA.
http://www.wnd.com/2015/07/track-this-feds-want-to-tax-you-by-the-mile/
http://spectator.org/articles/35630/your-car-wont-be-after-2015
http://dailysignal.com/2015/07/07/oregon-becomes-first-state-to-try-taxing-drivers-by-mil...
http://www.oregon.gov/odot/hwy/rufpp/pages/index.aspx
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2015/07/oregon_program_will_tax_drivers_by_the_mile.h...
Jul 13, 2015 05:54:41 #
Yep the sure fired way to tax you by the miles that you drive. You will get a bill once a month that will be tacked on to your monthly premium."F" once again by our govment.
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