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Jun 27, 2015 21:09:31 #
Don G. Dinsdale
Loc: El Cajon, CA (San Diego County)
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Keep Calm And Remember What Makes Our America So Great
Mark Nuckols / Jun 26, 2015 / Townhall.com
Well, it finally happened, the U.S. Supreme Court in its Obergefell v Hodges decision has just ruled that gay people have a constitutional right to get married. Does this somehow signal the end of Western Civilization and the American Way? And should we follow the advice of some prominent conservatives and simply refuse to accept the power of the Supreme Court to decide this question?
Well, first of all, let me suggest that true conservatives remember that we live in a republic, governed by the rule of law under our Constitution. And part of the constitutional compact is that we respect laws properly passed by Congress and state legislatures, and that we respect lawful decisions by our courts, even if we sometimes disagree with their merits. Let the radical l*****ts and ultra-liberals preach disrespect for government and the law.
Secondly, true conservatives have faith in America and its eternal promise. America is the finest and most remarkable greatest country in the world, and gay marriage is hardly going to undermine the bedrock of American greatness. Again, let the radical l*****ts and ultra-liberals predict doom and gloom for our country, we conservatives should stay true to the sunny optimism of Ronald Reagan.
Third, true conservatives are open-minded and tolerant, unlike our adversaries on the left. Justice Kennedy wrote the majority opinion, and Kennedy is no wild-eyed l*****t. (Believe me, I went to Georgetown University Law Center where more than a few radical professors were proud Marxists.) Kennedy makes an eloquent case which deserves to be read, even if you disagree with the Courts decision.
No union is more profound than marriage, for it embodies the highest ideals of love, fidelity, devotion, sacrifice, and family. In forming a marital union, two people become something greater than once they were. As some of the petitioners in these cases demonstrate, marriage embodies a love that may endure even past death.
It would misunderstand these men and women to say they disrespect the idea of marriage. Their plea is that they do respect it, respect it so deeply that they seek to find its fulfillment for themselves. Their hope is not to be condemned to live in loneliness, excluded from one of civilizations oldest institutions. They ask for equal dignity in the eyes of the law. The Constitution grants them that right.
I understand that many people believe that marriage is a sacred union between a man and a woman, and only a man and a woman. But if we conservatives believe in individual rights, we should consider that possibly expanding the right to marriage is actually consonant with our core values.
Kennedy and the majority found gay marriage to be a fundamental liberty. I find nothing in his language or reasoning that I cannot reconcile with conservative political beliefs.
The fundamental liberties protected by this Clause include most of the rights enumerated in the Bill of Rights. In addition these liberties extend to certain personal choices central to individual dignity and autonomy, including intimate choices that define personal identity and beliefs.
And in fact our Constitution, especially the Bill of Rights, is designed to protect our basic rights against both the government and sometimes even from the will of democratic majorities.
The idea of the Constitution , Kennedy writes, was to withdraw certain subjects from the vicissitudes of political controversy, to place them beyond the reach of majorities and officials and to establish them as legal principles to be applied by the courts.
I think the Court made the right decision, and Ive considered myself a conservative ever since I was a youth and realized the follies of liberalism and parlor radicalism. But even if you disagree with todays decision, you shouldnt despair.
One thing about conservatives is that we are grown-ups, and unlike l*****ts and liberals, we keep things in perspective. Sure, there will be more gay marriages, and some people will not like that fact, as is their right. But I can think of a very long list of things that make America great, and the absence of a right to gay marriage did not make the top 100 list.
And we should never forget that we are all Americans, and as Americans we should appreciate and respect our fundamental institutions. I have lived in countries where courts are corrupt, rights are routinely trampled by rogue governments, and there is no respect for the rule of law. And by corrupt courts, trampled rights, and no respect for the rule of law, I dont mean court decisions you disagree with, I mean courts who sanction massive theft or condone politically motivated murders on the basis of a telephone call from the Supreme Leader For Life.
For that reason, I strongly believe we should treasure the constitutional order with which America is blessed, and that we respect our Supreme Court decisions, even the ones that didnt go our way. Especially the one that didnt go our way. Any other attitude leads down the path of chaos and lawlessness, which are hardly our values or a outcome anyone should desire.
And Americans are good natured people, especially true conservatives. Sometimes life delivers up disappointments. Its far better, and far more consistent with conservative values, to be a good sport and accept the occasional loss with good humor, and keep your power dry for the next fight. And there will be endless fights over questions of politics and principles in our great country, but I see nothing that can truly diminish Americas unique standing in the world. Certainly not gay marriage.
The Supreme Court Is Not Supreme
Arthur Schaper / Jun 27, 2015 / Townhall.com
On Friday, the Supreme Court of the United States declared:
I now pronounce same-sex couples free to marry.
In another tortured five-four ruling, authored by Justice Anthony Kennedy (a wavering California Republican who has deliberately placed himself as a swing justice), the court invalidated same-sex marriage bans nationwide, arguing that the Fourteenth Amendment prohibits the states from discriminating against individuals who live out homosexual conduct, and want to culminate their behaviors with state-sponsored marriage.
Civil unions were not good enough, apparently. At least, that's what Ellen DeGeneres told U.S. Senator (then P**********l candidate) John McCain.
So, gay marriage has been thrust upon the United States. Or has it? Even though the Supreme Court relied on specious legal arguments to permit a******n through their ruling Roe -v- Wade, the fight to protect life has not ended. Pro-Life have pushed back, informing people about the precious gift of life which begins at conception: a biological fact, not a moral nicety or a religious sentiment.
So, before conservatives, freedom fighters, and advocates for religious liberty panic, a little perspective is needed.
The Supreme Court of the United States is not the supreme authority on anything. Never has been, never will be. The Supremes have made supreme errors before, have overturned themselves, and sometimes have endured the low-key shame of being ignored altogether.
The Supreme Court has gotten it wrong before. In 1857, Chief Justice Roger Taney, himself a s***e owner and hardly a disinterested party in the Dred Scott v. Sanford case, ruled that Negroes are a subordinate class of human beings with no rights that a white man is bound to respect. Today, we have a black President, and African-Americans in all levels of public office and private commerce.
The SCOTUS once deemed that separate but equal facilities were acceptable, thus justifying segregation. They overturned themselves fifty years later.
During World War II, following Democratic President Franklin Delano Roosevelts Executive Order 9066, Japanese-Americans were subject to discriminatory curfews, and 112,000 were placed into internment camps for fear that they posed an internal threat to the country. In 1942, the Supreme Court affirmed Roosevelts discriminatory order in Korematsu v. United States. Forty years later, Republican Presidents Reagan and Bush I issued an apology and r********ns to those Americans.
Not just based on its legacy, but by design the judiciary was never intended to rival let alone overturn the other federal branches.
In the Federalist Papers, Alexander Hamilton deemed the judicial branch to be the weakest of the co-equal branches. The Framers had never intended the court system to wield the wild authority to determine which laws are and are not constitutional, or to redefine culture or natural law.
Ironically, the first significant Chief Justice of SCOTUS, John Marshall, expanded the power of the Court by denying itself a power, in granting a writ of mandamus to a frustrated judicial appointee named William Marbury.
Even though Marshall had established the precedent of judicial review, never did he expect the Court to redefine institutions as basic, as fundamental as marriage. SCOTUS ruled in favor of the Cherokee Nation, that they did not have to leave their homes. President Andrew Jackson snidely retorted: Justice Marshall has made his ruling. Let him enforce it! Granted, not the best example, but the principle remains the same: The Court is not the final authority nor enforcer of any doctrine.
Returning to the Dred Scott decision, what occurred and what followed can offer conservatives hope. Obviously, the Court ignored the Declaration of Independence:
We hold these t***hs to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, and they are endorsed by their Creator certain unalienable rights.
The chief author of the Declaration, Thomas Jefferson, was a s***e-owner, yet his status does not undermine the eternal condition that all men are created equal, regardless of their race or sex. The roots of our country supersede anything issued by a court.
In connection to this deeper legacy, the Republican Party formed to combat this judicial tyranny, which some of the Justices had resisted in dissenting opinions. Republicans also united to combat polygamy, to ensure the definition of marriage between one man and one woman. Yes, indeed.
With Dred Scott,Taney upended decades of compromise. Civil War ensued over the s***ery issue, among other cultural and political concerns, followed by three Constitutional Amendments, which granted former s***es freedom, citizenship, then the v**e.
Besides natural law, and the founding principles of this country, there is the Constitution, and the Amendment process.
Fast forward to E******n 2016, and already one potential GOP P**********l contender, Scott Walker, has announced the need for a Constitutional Amendment to protect State Sovereignty to define marriage. Declared candidate Bobby Jindal went further: Lets just get rid of the Supreme Court! Perhaps an extreme view from the Louisiana governor, but the recognized principle remains: the Court is not the final authority.
Conservatives have embraced wins from SCOTUS, and shouldered losses. They have also won on other fronts. The SCOTUS setback over marriage does not mean the fight is over.
The Supreme Court is not the final authority. We the People are.
Keep Calm And Remember What Makes Our America So Great
Mark Nuckols / Jun 26, 2015 / Townhall.com
Well, it finally happened, the U.S. Supreme Court in its Obergefell v Hodges decision has just ruled that gay people have a constitutional right to get married. Does this somehow signal the end of Western Civilization and the American Way? And should we follow the advice of some prominent conservatives and simply refuse to accept the power of the Supreme Court to decide this question?
Well, first of all, let me suggest that true conservatives remember that we live in a republic, governed by the rule of law under our Constitution. And part of the constitutional compact is that we respect laws properly passed by Congress and state legislatures, and that we respect lawful decisions by our courts, even if we sometimes disagree with their merits. Let the radical l*****ts and ultra-liberals preach disrespect for government and the law.
Secondly, true conservatives have faith in America and its eternal promise. America is the finest and most remarkable greatest country in the world, and gay marriage is hardly going to undermine the bedrock of American greatness. Again, let the radical l*****ts and ultra-liberals predict doom and gloom for our country, we conservatives should stay true to the sunny optimism of Ronald Reagan.
Third, true conservatives are open-minded and tolerant, unlike our adversaries on the left. Justice Kennedy wrote the majority opinion, and Kennedy is no wild-eyed l*****t. (Believe me, I went to Georgetown University Law Center where more than a few radical professors were proud Marxists.) Kennedy makes an eloquent case which deserves to be read, even if you disagree with the Courts decision.
No union is more profound than marriage, for it embodies the highest ideals of love, fidelity, devotion, sacrifice, and family. In forming a marital union, two people become something greater than once they were. As some of the petitioners in these cases demonstrate, marriage embodies a love that may endure even past death.
It would misunderstand these men and women to say they disrespect the idea of marriage. Their plea is that they do respect it, respect it so deeply that they seek to find its fulfillment for themselves. Their hope is not to be condemned to live in loneliness, excluded from one of civilizations oldest institutions. They ask for equal dignity in the eyes of the law. The Constitution grants them that right.
I understand that many people believe that marriage is a sacred union between a man and a woman, and only a man and a woman. But if we conservatives believe in individual rights, we should consider that possibly expanding the right to marriage is actually consonant with our core values.
Kennedy and the majority found gay marriage to be a fundamental liberty. I find nothing in his language or reasoning that I cannot reconcile with conservative political beliefs.
The fundamental liberties protected by this Clause include most of the rights enumerated in the Bill of Rights. In addition these liberties extend to certain personal choices central to individual dignity and autonomy, including intimate choices that define personal identity and beliefs.
And in fact our Constitution, especially the Bill of Rights, is designed to protect our basic rights against both the government and sometimes even from the will of democratic majorities.
The idea of the Constitution , Kennedy writes, was to withdraw certain subjects from the vicissitudes of political controversy, to place them beyond the reach of majorities and officials and to establish them as legal principles to be applied by the courts.
I think the Court made the right decision, and Ive considered myself a conservative ever since I was a youth and realized the follies of liberalism and parlor radicalism. But even if you disagree with todays decision, you shouldnt despair.
One thing about conservatives is that we are grown-ups, and unlike l*****ts and liberals, we keep things in perspective. Sure, there will be more gay marriages, and some people will not like that fact, as is their right. But I can think of a very long list of things that make America great, and the absence of a right to gay marriage did not make the top 100 list.
And we should never forget that we are all Americans, and as Americans we should appreciate and respect our fundamental institutions. I have lived in countries where courts are corrupt, rights are routinely trampled by rogue governments, and there is no respect for the rule of law. And by corrupt courts, trampled rights, and no respect for the rule of law, I dont mean court decisions you disagree with, I mean courts who sanction massive theft or condone politically motivated murders on the basis of a telephone call from the Supreme Leader For Life.
For that reason, I strongly believe we should treasure the constitutional order with which America is blessed, and that we respect our Supreme Court decisions, even the ones that didnt go our way. Especially the one that didnt go our way. Any other attitude leads down the path of chaos and lawlessness, which are hardly our values or a outcome anyone should desire.
And Americans are good natured people, especially true conservatives. Sometimes life delivers up disappointments. Its far better, and far more consistent with conservative values, to be a good sport and accept the occasional loss with good humor, and keep your power dry for the next fight. And there will be endless fights over questions of politics and principles in our great country, but I see nothing that can truly diminish Americas unique standing in the world. Certainly not gay marriage.
The Supreme Court Is Not Supreme
Arthur Schaper / Jun 27, 2015 / Townhall.com
On Friday, the Supreme Court of the United States declared:
I now pronounce same-sex couples free to marry.
In another tortured five-four ruling, authored by Justice Anthony Kennedy (a wavering California Republican who has deliberately placed himself as a swing justice), the court invalidated same-sex marriage bans nationwide, arguing that the Fourteenth Amendment prohibits the states from discriminating against individuals who live out homosexual conduct, and want to culminate their behaviors with state-sponsored marriage.
Civil unions were not good enough, apparently. At least, that's what Ellen DeGeneres told U.S. Senator (then P**********l candidate) John McCain.
So, gay marriage has been thrust upon the United States. Or has it? Even though the Supreme Court relied on specious legal arguments to permit a******n through their ruling Roe -v- Wade, the fight to protect life has not ended. Pro-Life have pushed back, informing people about the precious gift of life which begins at conception: a biological fact, not a moral nicety or a religious sentiment.
So, before conservatives, freedom fighters, and advocates for religious liberty panic, a little perspective is needed.
The Supreme Court of the United States is not the supreme authority on anything. Never has been, never will be. The Supremes have made supreme errors before, have overturned themselves, and sometimes have endured the low-key shame of being ignored altogether.
The Supreme Court has gotten it wrong before. In 1857, Chief Justice Roger Taney, himself a s***e owner and hardly a disinterested party in the Dred Scott v. Sanford case, ruled that Negroes are a subordinate class of human beings with no rights that a white man is bound to respect. Today, we have a black President, and African-Americans in all levels of public office and private commerce.
The SCOTUS once deemed that separate but equal facilities were acceptable, thus justifying segregation. They overturned themselves fifty years later.
During World War II, following Democratic President Franklin Delano Roosevelts Executive Order 9066, Japanese-Americans were subject to discriminatory curfews, and 112,000 were placed into internment camps for fear that they posed an internal threat to the country. In 1942, the Supreme Court affirmed Roosevelts discriminatory order in Korematsu v. United States. Forty years later, Republican Presidents Reagan and Bush I issued an apology and r********ns to those Americans.
Not just based on its legacy, but by design the judiciary was never intended to rival let alone overturn the other federal branches.
In the Federalist Papers, Alexander Hamilton deemed the judicial branch to be the weakest of the co-equal branches. The Framers had never intended the court system to wield the wild authority to determine which laws are and are not constitutional, or to redefine culture or natural law.
Ironically, the first significant Chief Justice of SCOTUS, John Marshall, expanded the power of the Court by denying itself a power, in granting a writ of mandamus to a frustrated judicial appointee named William Marbury.
Even though Marshall had established the precedent of judicial review, never did he expect the Court to redefine institutions as basic, as fundamental as marriage. SCOTUS ruled in favor of the Cherokee Nation, that they did not have to leave their homes. President Andrew Jackson snidely retorted: Justice Marshall has made his ruling. Let him enforce it! Granted, not the best example, but the principle remains the same: The Court is not the final authority nor enforcer of any doctrine.
Returning to the Dred Scott decision, what occurred and what followed can offer conservatives hope. Obviously, the Court ignored the Declaration of Independence:
We hold these t***hs to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, and they are endorsed by their Creator certain unalienable rights.
The chief author of the Declaration, Thomas Jefferson, was a s***e-owner, yet his status does not undermine the eternal condition that all men are created equal, regardless of their race or sex. The roots of our country supersede anything issued by a court.
In connection to this deeper legacy, the Republican Party formed to combat this judicial tyranny, which some of the Justices had resisted in dissenting opinions. Republicans also united to combat polygamy, to ensure the definition of marriage between one man and one woman. Yes, indeed.
With Dred Scott,Taney upended decades of compromise. Civil War ensued over the s***ery issue, among other cultural and political concerns, followed by three Constitutional Amendments, which granted former s***es freedom, citizenship, then the v**e.
Besides natural law, and the founding principles of this country, there is the Constitution, and the Amendment process.
Fast forward to E******n 2016, and already one potential GOP P**********l contender, Scott Walker, has announced the need for a Constitutional Amendment to protect State Sovereignty to define marriage. Declared candidate Bobby Jindal went further: Lets just get rid of the Supreme Court! Perhaps an extreme view from the Louisiana governor, but the recognized principle remains: the Court is not the final authority.
Conservatives have embraced wins from SCOTUS, and shouldered losses. They have also won on other fronts. The SCOTUS setback over marriage does not mean the fight is over.
The Supreme Court is not the final authority. We the People are.
Jun 27, 2015 21:47:50 #
We have a German couple in Bremerton who lived in Germany in 1932 and they tell us America looks and sounds just like it today. Scary!
Jun 27, 2015 21:56:10 #
Don G. Dinsdale
Loc: El Cajon, CA (San Diego County)
dennisimoto wrote:
We have a German couple in Bremerton who lived in Germany in 1932 and they tell us America looks and sounds just like it today. Scary!
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I surprise myself sometimes at how smart I can be, ha ha ha...
Jun 27, 2015 22:47:41 #
JFlorio
Loc: Seminole Florida
The Bible commands us to accept the laws of our government, unless those laws go against God's laws. They can call it marriage all they want. I really don't care. I personally will never recognize a gay couple as married. I am just as sure they won't care. So we all will be happy.
Don G. Dinsdale wrote:
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I surprise myself sometimes at how smart I can be, ha ha ha...
I surprise myself sometimes at how smart I can be, ha ha ha...
Jun 27, 2015 23:16:16 #
Jun 28, 2015 23:38:26 #
Jun 29, 2015 00:50:47 #
PoppaGringo wrote:
Yes, Don, we are paralleling Germany in the 30's.
But who will come save us??nobody
Jun 29, 2015 11:03:04 #
signoftheages wrote:
But who will come save us??nobody
We were that one who would have saved us as well as others, The liberals have given free gifts or should I say trinkets to their constituents for more power and now they have destroyed America for the power of some over others. Its a shame what some will do for power and what some will do for a few free trinkets.
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