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Jun 22, 2015 19:29:01   #
archie bunker Loc: Texas
 
My wife and I go through extensive background checks every year that must satisfy the DEA, FBI, and TSA. We just completed one today. They know that I owned a 1976 Ford F-250 34 years ago!!
There was a lot more than that that came up with both of us!
Here is the deal. If I freak out tonight, and decide that I want to go shoot up a place because they serve cottage cheese to people whom I deem unworthy of that d********g substance, how would that background check have helped?
Hillary, and the left say guns should be kept from people with h**e in their hearts. I H**E cottage cheese. Should I not be allowed to own a gun??
I could go on, and on with this....

The list of things I H**E is long. I guess I should surrender my weapons now. I always have LOWE'S, auto parts stores, and my imagination to help me resolve my H**E issues!

Why can't there ever be rational, reasonable, and logical conversations about this issue?

Rant over.

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Jun 22, 2015 21:16:36   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
archie bunker wrote:
My wife and I go through extensive background checks every year that must satisfy the DEA, FBI, and TSA. We just completed one today. They know that I owned a 1976 Ford F-250 34 years ago!!
There was a lot more than that that came up with both of us!
Here is the deal. If I freak out tonight, and decide that I want to go shoot up a place because they serve cottage cheese to people whom I deem unworthy of that d********g substance, how would that background check have helped?
Hillary, and the left say guns should be kept from people with h**e in their hearts. I H**E cottage cheese. Should I not be allowed to own a gun??
I could go on, and on with this....

The list of things I H**E is long. I guess I should surrender my weapons now. I always have LOWE'S, auto parts stores, and my imagination to help me resolve my H**E issues!

Why can't there ever be rational, reasonable, and logical conversations about this issue?

Rant over.
My wife and I go through extensive background chec... (show quote)


Yeah, well, if background checks were able to keep convicted criminals locked up, 85% of all crimes committed would cease overnight. That means that only 15% of crimes are committed by first time criminals. Out of that 15%, perhaps 1%-2% would be "caught" by a background check and assuming they are otherwise law abiding citizens - they would be prevented from committing a violent crime.

Background checks only check the backgrounds of those submitting to background checks. Most criminal types don't ordinarily submit to such examinations, in fact, they avoid them assiduously. So in short, such extensive background checking, such as you described, may prevent one or two crimes a year. That seems to me, to be a very poor investment in time and effort, just to prevent a crime or maybe two every year.

As it is well known that 85% of all violent crimes are committing by recidivist criminals, the better investment would be in keeping such criminals under lock and key, or at least, keeping a very close watch on them once released, which cannot happen with a handful of officers trying to keep track of thousands of felons.

So we have two choices; arm every citizen and authorize them to use deadly force whenever they "feel" threatened, or, keep KNOWN criminals locked up, leaving police forces to catch the 12% "first timers" remaining.

I wouldn't mind the first scenario -except- the increasingly paranoid population might find myself, my wife, my parents, my kids and/or my grandkids, threatening at some time or another. My sense is, that the first scenario would result in masses of law abiding and "good" citizens deaths, leaving the criminals in charge of the country. I suppose it could be argued that the country is ALREADY being run by criminals, at least, those that haven't been caught yet, but that's another story.

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Jun 22, 2015 21:26:26   #
Airforceone
 
archie bunker wrote:
My wife and I go through extensive background checks every year that must satisfy the DEA, FBI, and TSA. We just completed one today. They know that I owned a 1976 Ford F-250 34 years ago!!
There was a lot more than that that came up with both of us!
Here is the deal. If I freak out tonight, and decide that I want to go shoot up a place because they serve cottage cheese to people whom I deem unworthy of that d********g substance, how would that background check have helped?
Hillary, and the left say guns should be kept from people with h**e in their hearts. I H**E cottage cheese. Should I not be allowed to own a gun??
I could go on, and on with this....

The list of things I H**E is long. I guess I should surrender my weapons now. I always have LOWE'S, auto parts stores, and my imagination to help me resolve my H**E issues!

Why can't there ever be rational, reasonable, and logical conversations about this issue?

Rant over.
My wife and I go through extensive background chec... (show quote)


Ya and you showed how out of touch you really are

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Jun 22, 2015 21:40:55   #
dennisimoto Loc: Washington State (West)
 
tdsrnest wrote:
Ya and you showed how out of touch you really are


"<<Crickets>>"

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Jun 22, 2015 22:18:34   #
archie bunker Loc: Texas
 
tdsrnest wrote:
Ya and you showed how out of touch you really are


Would you please explain how, and why I'm 'out of touch'?

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Jun 22, 2015 22:23:47   #
lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas
 
archie bunker wrote:
Would you please explain how, and why I'm 'out of touch'?


You were using an analog keyboard, instead of a touch screen. Jeez, do I have to explain everything?! :lol: :wink:

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Jun 22, 2015 22:29:55   #
archie bunker Loc: Texas
 
lpnmajor wrote:
You were using an analog keyboard, instead of a touch screen. Jeez, do I have to explain everything?! :lol: :wink:


Ahhh geez!!!! My r*******n against modern technology bites me again!! :hunf:
What is a touch screen :?: :wink:

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Jun 22, 2015 22:39:03   #
archie bunker Loc: Texas
 
lpnmajor wrote:
Yeah, well, if background checks were able to keep convicted criminals locked up, 85% of all crimes committed would cease overnight. That means that only 15% of crimes are committed by first time criminals. Out of that 15%, perhaps 1%-2% would be "caught" by a background check and assuming they are otherwise law abiding citizens - they would be prevented from committing a violent crime.

Background checks only check the backgrounds of those submitting to background checks. Most criminal types don't ordinarily submit to such examinations, in fact, they avoid them assiduously. So in short, such extensive background checking, such as you described, may prevent one or two crimes a year. That seems to me, to be a very poor investment in time and effort, just to prevent a crime or maybe two every year.

As it is well known that 85% of all violent crimes are committing by recidivist criminals, the better investment would be in keeping such criminals under lock and key, or at least, keeping a very close watch on them once released, which cannot happen with a handful of officers trying to keep track of thousands of felons.

So we have two choices; arm every citizen and authorize them to use deadly force whenever they "feel" threatened, or, keep KNOWN criminals locked up, leaving police forces to catch the 12% "first timers" remaining.

I wouldn't mind the first scenario -except- the increasingly paranoid population might find myself, my wife, my parents, my kids and/or my grandkids, threatening at some time or another. My sense is, that the first scenario would result in masses of law abiding and "good" citizens deaths, leaving the criminals in charge of the country. I suppose it could be argued that the country is ALREADY being run by criminals, at least, those that haven't been caught yet, but that's another story.
Yeah, well, if background checks were able to keep... (show quote)


I can't disagree with this.
I know I put a bit of sarcasm in there, I just can't for the life of me figure out how more thorough background checks will stop anyone bent on k*****g. My wife and I just had a 'government colonoscapy'. (SP?) They still don't know what we are thinking.
I think that was my point.

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Jun 22, 2015 23:58:51   #
bmac32 Loc: West Florida
 
Their not smart enough? We have lived in the same house for 7 years, been together 37 years, we've had the same amount of children since 1974, lived at the same addresses for 39 years and yet we're asked every year the same questions, it's like it's going to change.



archie bunker wrote:
My wife and I go through extensive background checks every year that must satisfy the DEA, FBI, and TSA. We just completed one today. They know that I owned a 1976 Ford F-250 34 years ago!!
There was a lot more than that that came up with both of us!
Here is the deal. If I freak out tonight, and decide that I want to go shoot up a place because they serve cottage cheese to people whom I deem unworthy of that d********g substance, how would that background check have helped?
Hillary, and the left say guns should be kept from people with h**e in their hearts. I H**E cottage cheese. Should I not be allowed to own a gun??
I could go on, and on with this....

The list of things I H**E is long. I guess I should surrender my weapons now. I always have LOWE'S, auto parts stores, and my imagination to help me resolve my H**E issues!

Why can't there ever be rational, reasonable, and logical conversations about this issue?

Rant over.
My wife and I go through extensive background chec... (show quote)

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Jun 27, 2015 16:34:10   #
Airforceone
 
dennisimoto wrote:
"<<Crickets>>"


You must h**e everything as a way of life because you live a life of h**e so I don't expect you to know the diference. I h**e cottage cheese but that does not k**l school children. But I guess when you live a life of h**e that's exceptable in your mind set. How sad to be so out of touch.

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Jun 27, 2015 18:06:08   #
archie bunker Loc: Texas
 
tdsrnest wrote:
You must h**e everything as a way of life because you live a life of h**e so I don't expect you to know the diference. I h**e cottage cheese but that does not k**l school children. But I guess when you live a life of h**e that's exceptable in your mind set. How sad to be so out of touch.


You aren't serious are you? Where is the logic in saying that anyone who owns firearms is full of h**e? Or does logic apply Mr. Touch n Go get your digs in, and bail before you are shot down guy??
You won't have the balls to respond to this because you are wrong and you know it!! Gutless worm.

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Jun 27, 2015 19:11:23   #
bmac32 Loc: West Florida
 
There's that H**E word again. Anyone who disagrees with your way of thinking is a h**er to you.

Trying to figure out why you h**e cottage cheese as I don't like it either but h**e???



tdsrnest wrote:
You must h**e everything as a way of life because you live a life of h**e so I don't expect you to know the diference. I h**e cottage cheese but that does not k**l school children. But I guess when you live a life of h**e that's exceptable in your mind set. How sad to be so out of touch.

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Jun 27, 2015 19:26:43   #
archie bunker Loc: Texas
 
bmac32 wrote:
There's that H**E word again. Anyone who disagrees with your way of thinking is a h**er to you.

Trying to figure out why you h**e cottage cheese as I don't like it either but h**e???


A hit and run dumbass.

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Jun 27, 2015 19:40:03   #
reconreb Loc: America / Inglis Fla.
 
archie bunker wrote:
A hit and run dumbass.


Wow archie, you held your reply to a civil responce. Hows this, turdnest you are a bottom fedding maggot ,not worth the time it took to reply.

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Jun 27, 2015 19:48:21   #
archie bunker Loc: Texas
 
reconreb wrote:
Wow archie, you held your reply to a civil responce. Hows this, turdnest you are a bottom fedding maggot ,not worth the time it took to reply.


No point in swinging at someone who won't swing back is there?

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