Cool Breeze

The NRA Second Amendment Rights Gun Kooks are at it again. If only the Church Members were armed this tragedy wouldn't have happened! The Obama Administration and Liberals want to take our guns! Gun Rights are sacred! They are sanctioned by Jesus himself (The 11TH Commandment) Thou Shall Worship Thy Gun For Salvation. Blah Blah Blah Blather! If you have to take a Gun into the House of God please don't come! The K**ler’s Gun

Reuters talked to the shooter’s uncle, Carson Cowles. Cowles stated that Roof was given a .45-caliber pistol by his father in April as a birthday present. This is one month after Roof was arrested in March on drug charges. It is not known at this time if Roof’s father was aware of the drug charges, or if he knew that the charges clearly made his son a “prohibited person” according to ATF From 4473, question 11.e., which disqualifies “unlawful users” of controlled substances from owning firearms.

Gun control supporters will no doubt attempt to assert that so-called “universal” background checks would have prevented the t***sfer. Rational people know that such a claim isn’t remotely grounded in reality, and that background checks are routinely ignored in t***sfers between family members, even in states where they are already required.

The specific brand and model of the pistol is no doubt known to law enforcement at this time, but that information has not yet been released to the media.

We are told from eyewitness accounts that Roof reloaded five times. There you have it? http://mediamatters.org/blog/2015/06/18/fox-amp-friends-exploits-south-carolina-church/204046

Redd Loc: SWFlorida

"Gun Free Zones" Are Partly Responsible For The Charleston SC Church Massacre!"
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Partly ??? I would say much more that that...

gynojunkie

Hannity interviewed a pastor yesterday (on radio); the pastor (whose name I did not catch) stated that he brings 5-6 members of his congregation to a gun range, weekly, to train and to obtain their Concealed Carry Permits. He then went on to say that he can identify at least six people who are 'carrying' during each of his services--that the Charleston scenario would have been 'nipped in the bud' by one of his people.

You may decry the fact that an unbalanced loser can obtain a gun. It's going to happen again because guns will always--banned or not--be available. And, when a man with a gun starts shooting innocents, only another man with a gun can counter the shooter.

That's a sad fact that the Left cannot and will not swallow; instead, they wring their hands and create even more "Gun-Free Zones."

PeterS

Do we know that some church members weren't carrying guns? You forget that for a gun to be of use you have to be in the right place to use it and not be too rattled to shoot. There are a lot of ifs there for a gun to be effective...

Dummy Boy Loc: Michigan

What, What?

If I feel it's necessary to carry a gun into a church, I will not be attending that church anymore...have you lost your mind???

Artemis

Well this surely validates who butters their(FOX) bread.

Cool Breeze

You would eh? Well let's hear the 'reasoning' behind bringing a gun to church!

Cool Breeze

Sir! You don't get it do you? If you have to carry a Gun in church, YOU'RE WRONG! PERIOD!

Floyd Brown Loc: Milwaukee WI

I don't have a gun & fail to see how having a gun would make me feel any safer.

Have you gun if you will but I fail to see how people having more guns will make my life any safer.

Cool Breeze

Hannity? You just lost all credibility by mentioning this FOX dud's name. There are no Guns in the House of God but In the House of Satan there are plenty of them. As a matter of fact the Bible is banned also.

Olden McGroen Loc: Texas

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So, people that believe in, subscribe to, adhere to and abide by the Bill of Rights are kooks? Yes, this kid picked the church as a target because he assumed there wouldn't be anyone armed. Duh!!! He didn't walk down the middle of the hood firing at random. He'd probably been shot first if his Casper looking ass showed up in the hood...or at the very least, he'd have been jumped and had the s**t kicked out of him. Common knowledge based on historical and empirical evidence tells us that.

The NRA has nothing to do with this tragedy. The shooter and his dumbass parents have EVERYTHING to do with it.

Obama clearly inserted gun control overtones in his statement yesterday by alluding to the shooter by saying, "...innocent people were k**led in part because someone who wanted to inflict harm had no trouble getting their hands on a gun."

Yeah, it happens in the hood every night and 10 fold on the weekends, but nobody says anything about that. "Black L***s M****r" only when a white k**ls a black. "Black Lives Don't Appear To Matter" when it's black on black, which is the overwhelming majority of occurrences statistically speaking. No Al and Jesse, No Obama speech, No TV cameras, No marches, No r**ts, No prayer circles, no candlelight vigils, NOTHING!!! And don't get me started on black on white, because that stat is 3X the reverse, but who cares?

Logical thinking dictates that, unless we come up with the technology in the movie "Minority Report" and establish yet another ill-conceived branch of government called "the Thought Police", the manufacturers and sellers of guns do not know the intent of the purchaser, no more than the manufacturer and seller of automobiles know the same, and have a much higher statistical death rate involvement than guns. The list goes on and on.

I suppose I could've just made this simple and called you a complete moron, but that would make me the h**er and you the victim once again.

I'll have you know that in the church I used to attend, several members were always carrying, including me. Why? Because people with intent to k**l most always choose "gun-free zones". That was the case for the shooter in Colorado at the movie theater. He passed up several theaters closer to his apartment for the one that had a gun free sign posted. He may've been crazy, but he wasn't stupid.

The way us conceal carry people think is simply, "Better to have it and not need it than the reverse". I don't frequent gun free zones very often for that reason.

You take away people's right to own guns and make the entire country a "gun free zone" and you'll see more gun deaths than you could ever imagine. There are hundreds of millions of guns in circulation. You'll never get rid of them. The black market will guarantee it. Hence, only law breakers will have guns....which means that no one is safe.

Cool Breeze

If you're humble and filled with the Holy Spirit you need not worry about Kooks no matter what the outcome is.

Cool Breeze

This specious reasoning at the most!

bylm1-Bernie

Right, Peter, and it seems obvious to me that a larger number of CC guns, equally spaced would be more effective than none or one. One gun in the hands of a lunatic almost completely assures that someone will be k**led if there is no "friendly gun" to stop him. It seems so illogical that the left cannot see this but they keep coming down on the other side after every one of these incidents. Gun free zones assure that the probability of stopping a crazed person goes down drastically. Watch the gun-control nuts go crazy.

bdamage Loc: My Bunker

So I guess you are saying that you prefer YOUR churches to be unarmed and open for the slaughter by a nutjob as opposed to having someone ready to prevent the slaughtering of their church members.
When Christian persecution ramps up you may change your tune.

When good men stand by and do nothing, evil prevails!

I wonder how long this list would be if you added the last 5 years to it.

18 church shootings in 11 years (A comprehensive list)

Virginia requires "good and sufficient reason" to carry in church.
This ought to qualify.

February 14, 2010 - Richmond, California - Three hooded men
walk into Gethsemane Church of God in Christ and opened
fire and then fled the scene, as the singing of the choir
was replaced by frightened screams. The two victims, a 14-
year-old boy and a 19-year-old man, were hospitalized.

March 8, 2009 - Maryville, Illinois - Suspect Terry Joe
Sedlacek, 27, of Troy, walks into the First Baptist Church,
and shoots pastor Fred Winters dead, point blank. Several
church members are injured by a knife in the struggle to
capture after the attack, The suspect also had stabbed
himself, but survived, when his gun jams.

July 27, 2008 - Knoxville, Tennessee - A gunman opens fire
in a church during a youth performance, k*****g two people
and injuring seven.

Dec. 9, 2007 - Colorado - Three people are k**led and five
wounded in two shooting rampages, one at a missionary
school in suburban Denver and one at a church in Colorado
Springs. The gunman in the second incident is k**led by a
guard.

May 20, 2007 - Moscow, Idaho - A standoff between police
and a suspect in the shootings of three people in a
Presbyterian Church ended with three dead, including one
police officer.

Aug. 12, 2007 - Neosho, Missouri - First Congregational
Church - 3 k**led - Eiken Elam Saimon shot and k**led the
pastor and two deacons and wounded five others.

May 21, 2006 - Baton Rouge, Louisiana - The Ministry of
Jesus Christ Church - 4 k**led - The four at the church who
were shot were members of Erica Bell's family; she was
abducted and murdered elsewhere; Bell's mother, church
pastor Claudia Brown, was seriously wounded - Anthony Bell,
25, was the shooter.

Feb. 26, 2006 - Detroit, Michigan - Zion Hope Missionary
Baptist Church - 2 k**led + shooter - Kevin L. Collins, who
reportedly went to the church looking for his girlfriend,
later k**led himself.

April 9, 2005 - College Park, Georgia - A 27-year-old
airman died after being shot at a church, where he had once
worked as a security guard.

March 12, 2005 - Brookfield, Wisconsin - Living Church of
God - 7 k**led + shooter - Terry Ratzmann opened fire on
the congregation, k*****g seven and wounding four before
taking his own life.

July 30, 2005 - College Park, Georgia - World Changers
Church International - shooter k**led - Air Force Staff
Sgt. John Givens was shot five times by a police officer
after charging the officer, following violent behavior.

Dec. 17, 2004, Garden Grove, Calif.: A veteran musician at
the Crystal Cathedral shoots himself to death after a nine
-hour standoff.

Oct. 5, 2003 - Atlanta, Georgia - Turner Monumental AME
Church - 2 k**led + shooter - Shelia Wilson walked into the
church while pr********ns are being made for service and
shot the pastor, her mother and then herself.

June 10, 2002 - Conception, Missouri - Benedictine
monastery - 2 k**led + shooter - Lloyd Robert Jeffress shot
four monks in the monastery k*****g two and wounding two,
before k*****g himself.

March 12, 2002 - Lynbrook, New York - Our Lady of Peace
Catholic Church - 2 k**led - Peter Troy, a former mental
patient, opens fire during Mass, k*****g the priest and a
parishioner. He later receives a life sentence.

May 18, 2001 - Hopkinsville, Kentucky - Greater Oak
Missionary Baptist Church - 2 k**led - Frederick Radford
stood up in the middle of a revival service and began
shooting at his estranged wife, Nicole Radford, k*****g her
and a woman trying to help her.

Sept. 15, 1999 - Fort Worth, Texas - Wedgewood Baptist
Church - 7 k**led + shooter - Larry Gene Ashbrook shot dead
seven people and injured a further seven at a concert by
Christian rock group Forty Days in Fort Worth, Texas before
k*****g himself.

April 15, 1999 - Salt Lake City, Utah - LDS Church Family
History Library - 2 k**led + shooter - Sergei Babarin, 70,
with a history of mental illness, entered the library,
k**led two people and wounded four others before he was
gunned down by police.