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The assault on our Democracy by 5 U.S. Supreme Court Justices
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Jun 14, 2015 06:13:00   #
Jerry A. Loc: California
 
In the 2010 Citizens United v. F.E.C. case, the Court 5 Republican's Justices majority ruled that Corporations like Exxon-Mobil, Bank of America and CIGNA have the same First Amendment right as living human beings and can spend unlimited sums of money to support or oppose political candidates in our e******ns process. This radical decision overturned more than 100 years longstanding precedent prohibiting Corporations from expending their general treasure funds in our e******ns and presents a serious and direct threat to our democracy and self government. Now 215 U.S. Senators and U.S. Representatives are supporting a constitutional amendment process to correct those egregiously wrong decisions of our U.S. Supreme Court.

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Jun 14, 2015 07:16:23   #
JimMe
 
Jerry A. wrote:
In the 2010 Citizens United v. F.E.C. case, the Court 5 Republican's Justices majority ruled that Corporations like Exxon-Mobil, Bank of America and CIGNA have the same First Amendment right as living human beings and can spend unlimited sums of money to support or oppose political candidates in our e******ns process. This radical decision overturned more than 100 years longstanding precedent prohibiting Corporations from expending their general treasure funds in our e******ns and presents a serious and direct threat to our democracy and self government. Now 215 U.S. Senators and U.S. Representatives are supporting a constitutional amendment process to correct those egregiously wrong decisions of our U.S. Supreme Court.
In the 2010 Citizens United v. F.E.C. case, the Co... (show quote)


I'm a Conservative... I believe there should be a Law passed stating that ONLY REGISTERED USA V**ERS CAN CONTRIBUTE TO CANDIDATES & POLITICAL ORGANIZATIONS SUCH AS THE DEMOCRATIC & REPUBLICAN PARTIES...

P.S. - I also believe the Supreme Court was correct in its decision BECAUSE THERE IS NOTHING IN THE CONSTITUTION NOR ANY FEDERAL LAW PROHIBITING COMPANIES FROM CONTRIBUTING... Which is why I want my Restrictive Law passed...

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Jun 14, 2015 07:16:47   #
Bad Bob Loc: Virginia
 
Jerry A. wrote:
In the 2010 Citizens United v. F.E.C. case, the Court 5 Republican's Justices majority ruled that Corporations like Exxon-Mobil, Bank of America and CIGNA have the same First Amendment right as living human beings and can spend unlimited sums of money to support or oppose political candidates in our e******ns process. This radical decision overturned more than 100 years longstanding precedent prohibiting Corporations from expending their general treasure funds in our e******ns and presents a serious and direct threat to our democracy and self government. Now 215 U.S. Senators and U.S. Representatives are supporting a constitutional amendment process to correct those egregiously wrong decisions of our U.S. Supreme Court.
In the 2010 Citizens United v. F.E.C. case, the Co... (show quote)


:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

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Jun 14, 2015 07:34:26   #
jelun
 
Jerry A. wrote:
In the 2010 Citizens United v. F.E.C. case, the Court 5 Republican's Justices majority ruled that Corporations like Exxon-Mobil, Bank of America and CIGNA have the same First Amendment right as living human beings and can spend unlimited sums of money to support or oppose political candidates in our e******ns process. This radical decision overturned more than 100 years longstanding precedent prohibiting Corporations from expending their general treasure funds in our e******ns and presents a serious and direct threat to our democracy and self government. Now 215 U.S. Senators and U.S. Representatives are supporting a constitutional amendment process to correct those egregiously wrong decisions of our U.S. Supreme Court.
In the 2010 Citizens United v. F.E.C. case, the Co... (show quote)



Here's hoping they are successful.
It is ridiculous that the entity with the most money gets the most "free" speech.

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Jun 14, 2015 07:35:39   #
jelun
 
JimMe wrote:
I'm a Conservative... I believe there should be a Law passed stating that ONLY REGISTERED USA V**ERS CAN CONTRIBUTE TO CANDIDATES & POLITICAL ORGANIZATIONS SUCH AS THE DEMOCRATIC & REPUBLICAN PARTIES...

P.S. - I also believe the Supreme Court was correct in its decision BECAUSE THERE IS NOTHING IN THE CONSTITUTION NOR ANY FEDERAL LAW PROHIBITING COMPANIES FROM CONTRIBUTING... Which is why I want my Restrictive Law passed...



Your proposal would have no impact on what is currently happening, would it?

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Jun 14, 2015 07:59:18   #
JimMe
 
jelun wrote:
Your proposal would have no impact on what is currently happening, would it?


"No Impact on What is Currently Happening"?!? Without contributions from Companies & Unions & Foreign Sources politicians could NEVER spend what they do today... It would IMMEDIATELY ALTER HOW EVERY CANDIDATE RUNS THEIR CAMPAIGN... And I believe it would alter Campaigning FOR THE BETTER...

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Jun 14, 2015 08:15:08   #
JMHO Loc: Utah
 
jelun wrote:
Here's hoping they are successful.
It is ridiculous that the entity with the most money gets the most "free" speech.


???? Party with the most money? Surely, you mean the Democrats? because they are more rich Democrats than Republicans, pal...especially in the Senate and House. Look it up.

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Jun 14, 2015 08:35:00   #
jelun
 
JimMe wrote:
"No Impact on What is Currently Happening"?!? Without contributions from Companies & Unions & Foreign Sources politicians could NEVER spend what they do today... It would IMMEDIATELY ALTER HOW EVERY CANDIDATE RUNS THEIR CAMPAIGN... And I believe it would alter Campaigning FOR THE BETTER...



Money is not going to the parties or candidates in great amounts, the money is going to super PACs and 503c organizations.
Your proposal doesn't address that, does it?

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Jun 14, 2015 08:40:29   #
Ox
 
It's true; the people who inherit money or gain quick fortunes thru the arts/movies/music are generally democrats. The people who get their money the hard way are most often republicans.

As for corporations; Corporations are associations of free men and women who have invested their earnings in stocks. The contributions by corporations are no more than the collective expression of political will by groups of individuals. About the same as contributions by the AFL/CIO or the movie industry or the Clinton Foundation.

I go with JimMe on his suggested amendment--I'd willingly give up the corporate contributions (including labor and all industry) if donations were limited to individual v**ers and a limit put on the amounts.

I would not want, for example, the Koch brothers or the Heinz woman donating 20 million each. I'd say $2,000 per individual would be a fair limit, and I'd make that a limit for each candidate in any e******n cycle. For example; two grand to the campaign for governor, $2000 for the donor's senator, $2000 for his rep, two grand for each office on his b****t.

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Jun 14, 2015 08:42:02   #
bmac32 Loc: West Florida
 
I wouldn't call it 'free' speech with millions of dollars are poured in every year! Caps have been needed for a long long time, what they spend could feed a lot of people.



jelun wrote:
Here's hoping they are successful.
It is ridiculous that the entity with the most money gets the most "free" speech.

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Jun 14, 2015 09:03:11   #
JimMe
 
jelun wrote:
Money is not going to the parties or candidates in great amounts, the money is going to super PACs and 503c organizations.
Your proposal doesn't address that, does it?


It addresses WHO CAN & CANNOT donate monies... My Law will allow ONLY REGISTERED V**ERS to donate monies... NO company, union, Foreigner or PERSON NOT REGISTERED TO V**E would be able to donate monies... The AMOUNT of monies would be limited to ONLY WHAT REGISTERED V**ERS Contribute... HOW the monies are distributed will NOT be changed... But the AMOUNT of monies will be CONSIDERABLY LESS... Less monies LESS INFLUENCE...

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Jun 14, 2015 09:12:43   #
c.murray132
 
This is an oligarchy, just ask Princeton University.

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Jun 14, 2015 09:24:45   #
Mom8052 Loc: Lost in the mountains of New Mexico
 
Ox wrote:
It's true; the people who inherit money or gain quick fortunes thru the arts/movies/music are generally democrats. The people who get their money the hard way are most often republicans.

As for corporations; Corporations are associations of free men and women who have invested their earnings in stocks. The contributions by corporations are no more than the collective expression of political will by groups of individuals. About the same as contributions by the AFL/CIO or the movie industry or the Clinton Foundation.

I go with JimMe on his suggested amendment--I'd willingly give up the corporate contributions (including labor and all industry) if donations were limited to individual v**ers and a limit put on the amounts.

I would not want, for example, the Koch brothers or the Heinz woman donating 20 million each. I'd say $2,000 per individual would be a fair limit, and I'd make that a limit for each candidate in any e******n cycle. For example; two grand to the campaign for governor, $2000 for the donor's senator, $2000 for his rep, two grand for each office on his b****t.
It's true; the people who inherit money or gain qu... (show quote)


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With millions being spent on both Dem and Rep want-a-be presidents, this is about that only way to do it..............but, won't happen this time, for sure.

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Jun 14, 2015 09:26:58   #
jelun
 
JimMe wrote:
It addresses WHO CAN & CANNOT donate monies... My Law will allow ONLY REGISTERED V**ERS to donate monies... NO company, union, Foreigner or PERSON NOT REGISTERED TO V**E would be able to donate monies... The AMOUNT of monies would be limited to ONLY WHAT REGISTERED V**ERS Contribute... HOW the monies are distributed will NOT be changed... But the AMOUNT of monies will be CONSIDERABLY LESS... Less monies LESS INFLUENCE...



One more time.
You are only addressing who can donate to candidates and parties.
I doubt that what you propose can pass must as constitutional.
Residents of the US have the right to free speech whether they are eligible to v**e or choose not to v**e.

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Jun 14, 2015 09:28:29   #
jelun
 
bmac32 wrote:
I wouldn't call it 'free' speech with millions of dollars are poured in every year! Caps have been needed for a long long time, what they spend could feed a lot of people.



There were caps and controls. SCOTUS removed them. That was in 2010.

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