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Jun 13, 2015 08:02:27   #
JMHO Loc: Utah
 
ring grant money as incentive so that affordable housing can be built in wealthier neighborhoods is what a new Housing and Urban Development (HUD) rule, designed by the Obama administration, is trying to accomplish in the name of diversification.

A spokesman says: "HUD is working with communities across the country to fulfill the promise of equal opportunity for all. The proposed policy seeks to break down barriers to access to opportunity in communities supported by HUD funds.

HUD is citing the Fair Housing Act of 1968, which prohibited race and wealth discrimination in real estate t***sactions, as the basis for taking such an action. Those communities that survey their neighborhoods and pinpoint where segregation is present can qualify for extra funds if they develop a plan to diversify its residents.

House Republicans are currently blocking what has been dubbed the Affirmatively Furthering Fair Housing rule. Critics, according to The Hill, are accusing President Obama of focusing too much on race. Rep. Paul Gosar (R-AZ) recently said that the administration "shouldn’t be holding hostage grant monies aimed at community improvement based on its unrealistic utopian ideas of what every community should resemble.”

He continued:

Instead of living with neighbors you like and choose -- this breaks up the core fabric of how we start to look at communities. That just brings unease to everyone in that area. People have to feel comfortable where they live. If I don’t feel comfortable in my own backyard, where do I feel comfortable?

This grab by the federal government could allow HUD to assert its own authority over city zoning laws, critics say, and even decide who lives where and what types of homes can be built; dramatically affecting property values and increasing taxes.

But for every critic, there is a proponent. Margery Turner of the Urban Institute praised the rule stating:

This rule is not about forcing anyone to live anywhere they don’t want to. It’s really about addressing long-standing practices that prevent people from living where they want to. In our country, decades of public policies and institutional practices have built deeply segregated and unequal neighborhoods. Segregation is clearly a problem that is blocking upward mobility for children growing up today.

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Jun 13, 2015 08:24:01   #
MsAtta2d Loc: Oregon
 
There are a couple of scenarios that can come from this i***tic idea. It will either chase the rich out of America, or it will lead to much more of what we just got done witnessing coming out of Ferguson, MO. This bogus clown in the 0val 0ffice will not be happy until he fully destroys every vestige of what this country ever stood for, be it living, dying, health, property ownership, guns, education - he will do his level best and certainly is doing just that to attain all of his initial goals. So far he has not gotten to taking infants away from their mothers so they can be brainwashed from the cradle! It is going to be a very devastating next 18 months!
However if there is a bit of silver lining yet in the clouds, at least many of the Dems are waking up to his schemes. As the saying goes: We live in interesting times.

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Jun 13, 2015 08:46:00   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
At one time, we had beautiful cities where people went to enjoy a night out and people lived in well maintained town homes (not the same definition as now, but homes inside of the cities) and folks vacationed in the country. Then the government said, oh those poor people who do not work and save money need to have free housing. So in 1933 they started building projects inside of the cities, and those project quickly became trashed. So the wealthy, who kept their houses nice and hired people to manage the painting and plumbing, and yard work..... well, they moved from the cities into the suburbs. And we let them have the cities, and we built nice places for the nights out in the burbs. Then they invaded the burbs with "free" housing for those poor and the burbs became littered with graffiti and trash, so we moved further out and gave the burbs to the poor. Now they want us to move to where? Because as soon as our current neighborhoods gets allocations and free housing, again the trash will come, and I am talking about both human and litter. So, where do they want us to go? Should we just leave the USA and become citizens of some other country?? Is that his plan? If he can not "make redistribution of wealth" then he will just turn every city, burb, and now farm land into a ghetto?

MsAtta2d wrote:
There are a couple of scenarios that can come from this i***tic idea. It will either chase the rich out of America, or it will lead to much more of what we just got done witnessing coming out of Ferguson, MO. This bogus clown in the 0val 0ffice will not be happy until he fully destroys every vestige of what this country ever stood for, be it living, dying, health, property ownership, guns, education - he will do his level best and certainly is doing just that to attain all of his initial goals. So far he has not gotten to taking infants away from their mothers so they can be brainwashed from the cradle! It is going to be a very devastating next 18 months!
However if there is a bit of silver lining yet in the clouds, at least many of the Dems are waking up to his schemes. As the saying goes: We live in interesting times.
There are a couple of scenarios that can come from... (show quote)

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Jun 13, 2015 08:47:41   #
no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun
 
MsAtta2d wrote:
There are a couple of scenarios that can come from this i***tic idea. It will either chase the rich out of America, or it will lead to much more of what we just got done witnessing coming out of Ferguson, MO. This bogus clown in the 0val 0ffice will not be happy until he fully destroys every vestige of what this country ever stood for, be it living, dying, health, property ownership, guns, education - he will do his level best and certainly is doing just that to attain all of his initial goals. So far he has not gotten to taking infants away from their mothers so they can be brainwashed from the cradle! It is going to be a very devastating next 18 months!
However if there is a bit of silver lining yet in the clouds, at least many of the Dems are waking up to his schemes. As the saying goes: We live in interesting times.
There are a couple of scenarios that can come from... (show quote)




Friends of ours who lived in one of the better suburbs in a county near Chicago, found out after they moved in that section 8 housing was being build on land right behind their house. Their house had cost around $250,000 and this was 25 years ago. When the housing was completed Chicago moved members or a hispanic gang in one building and members of a black gang into another building. The other county could do nothing about it because they had agreed to allow Chicago do put section 8 housing there. It was going to be housing for senior citizens. The agreement was worked on because the other county wanted to channel a large creek that originated in Cook county but was causing flooding in DuPage county. After the gangs had been in the section 8 housing for less than a year, most of the windows in their units were broken, garbage was routinely thrown in the neighbors yards and most of the single family dwellings had gang signs spray painted on their property. No longer could the residents leave their cars parked in their own driveways, or they would be damaged or stolen. I guess the white people in their quarter million dollar houses were r****ts for wanting the gangs out of there. couldn't get the gangs out, so the white people moved further out and now that area is full of run down houses and is considered too dangerous for people to drive through. Horrible nasty white people, should have just given the homes to the gangs and moved into the section 8 housing that the gangs had ruined. Oh well, we white people are full of hatred for not being happy with the gangs as neighbors.

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Jun 13, 2015 08:48:56   #
JMHO Loc: Utah
 
Pennylynn wrote:
At one time, we had beautiful cities where people went to enjoy a night out and people lived in well maintained town homes (not the same definition as now, but homes inside of the cities) and folks vacationed in the country. Then the government said, oh those poor people who do not work and save money need to have free housing. So in 1933 they started building projects inside of the cities, and those project quickly became trashed. So the wealthy, who kept their houses nice and hired people to manage the painting and plumbing, and yard work..... well, they moved from the cities into the suburbs. And we let them have the cities, and we built nice places for the nights out in the burbs. Then they invaded the burbs with "free" housing for those poor and the burbs became littered with graffiti and trash, so we moved further out and gave the burbs to the poor. Now they want us to move to where? Because as soon as our current neighborhoods gets allocations and free housing, again the trash will come, and I am talking about both human and litter. So, where do they want us to go? Should we just leave the USA and become citizens of some other country?? Is that his plan? If he can not "make redistribution of wealth" then he will just turn every city, burb, and now farm land into a ghetto?
At one time, we had beautiful cities where people ... (show quote)


Yep, that's the Democrats plan...turning America into one big defenseless ghetto.

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Jun 13, 2015 08:54:06   #
Glaucon
 
JMHO wrote:
Yep, that's the Democrats plan...turning America into one big defenseless ghetto.


I have heard Obama is going to force every poor person in America to have a swimming pool, a Cadillac, and an IPhone.











































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Jun 13, 2015 08:59:06   #
JMHO Loc: Utah
 
no propaganda please wrote:
Friends of ours who lived in one of the better suburbs in a county near Chicago, found out after they moved in that section 8 housing was being build on land right behind their house. Their house had cost around $250,000 and this was 25 years ago. When the housing was completed Chicago moved members or a hispanic gang in one building and members of a black gang into another building. The other county could do nothing about it because they had agreed to allow Chicago do put section 8 housing there. It was going to be housing for senior citizens. The agreement was worked on because the other county wanted to channel a large creek that originated in Cook county but was causing flooding in DuPage county. After the gangs had been in the section 8 housing for less than a year, most of the windows in their units were broken, garbage was routinely thrown in the neighbors yards and most of the single family dwellings had gang signs spray painted on their property. No longer could the residents leave their cars parked in their own driveways, or they would be damaged or stolen. I guess the white people in their quarter million dollar houses were r****ts for wanting the gangs out of there. couldn't get the gangs out, so the white people moved further out and now that area is full of run down houses and is considered too dangerous for people to drive through. Horrible nasty white people, should have just given the homes to the gangs and moved into the section 8 housing that the gangs had ruined. Oh well, we white people are full of hatred for not being happy with the gangs as neighbors.
Friends of ours who lived in one of the better sub... (show quote)


Good post. A similar situation happen to me. The wife and I settled into a condo in Las Vegas right after 9/11. A couple years later, one section (the older section) of our condo complex started renting to section 8's. It didn't take long for the complex to start going down hill. We sold, and bought a larger home in a new planned community area. Life was great, then the housing bubble popped, and we were sitting on a cul-d-sac with the houses on both sides, and behind us, and diagonally from us vacant. L**ters broke into many, stealing the A/C units, bathroom fixtures, and copper piping. What once were good neighborhoods became bad neighborhoods...banks and the government turned many into section 8 rentals. We sold a year ago, and moved to a 20 acre off grid property in another state way out in the sticks. All our neighbors are on 20-40 acre plots, and are preppers...so, we're pretty secure. No more big cities for me, I love this solitude, the abundant wildlife, growing my own food, and having great neighbors.

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Jun 13, 2015 09:17:44   #
jelun
 
JMHO wrote:
ring grant money as incentive so that affordable housing can be built in wealthier neighborhoods is what a new Housing and Urban Development (HUD) rule, designed by the Obama administration, is trying to accomplish in the name of diversification.

A spokesman says: "HUD is working with communities across the country to fulfill the promise of equal opportunity for all. The proposed policy seeks to break down barriers to access to opportunity in communities supported by HUD funds.

HUD is citing the Fair Housing Act of 1968, which prohibited race and wealth discrimination in real estate t***sactions, as the basis for taking such an action. Those communities that survey their neighborhoods and pinpoint where segregation is present can qualify for extra funds if they develop a plan to diversify its residents.

House Republicans are currently blocking what has been dubbed the Affirmatively Furthering Fair Housing rule. Critics, according to The Hill, are accusing President Obama of focusing too much on race. Rep. Paul Gosar (R-AZ) recently said that the administration "shouldn’t be holding hostage grant monies aimed at community improvement based on its unrealistic utopian ideas of what every community should resemble.”

He continued:

Instead of living with neighbors you like and choose -- this breaks up the core fabric of how we start to look at communities. That just brings unease to everyone in that area. People have to feel comfortable where they live. If I don’t feel comfortable in my own backyard, where do I feel comfortable?

This grab by the federal government could allow HUD to assert its own authority over city zoning laws, critics say, and even decide who lives where and what types of homes can be built; dramatically affecting property values and increasing taxes.

But for every critic, there is a proponent. Margery Turner of the Urban Institute praised the rule stating:

This rule is not about forcing anyone to live anywhere they don’t want to. It’s really about addressing long-standing practices that prevent people from living where they want to. In our country, decades of public policies and institutional practices have built deeply segregated and unequal neighborhoods. Segregation is clearly a problem that is blocking upward mobility for children growing up today.
ring grant money as incentive so that affordable h... (show quote)




Is there some reason that whoever wrote this article thinks that people own more than they buy?
When people buy into a neighborhood they get to check out the schools, the general income level, demographics, etc.. Does that buy some control over the next family that moves in?
Oh, it seems that the article from The Hill was accidentally modified and abridged.
This part of that article was missing...
Quote:
The regulations would use grant money as an incentive for communities to build affordable housing in more affluent areas while also taking steps to upgrade poorer areas with better schools, parks, libraries, grocery stores and t***sportation routes as part of a gentrification of those communities.
“HUD is working with communities across the country to fulfill the promise of equal opportunity for all,” a HUD spokeswoman said. “The proposed policy seeks to break down barriers to access to opportunity in communities supported by HUD funds.”

It’s a tough sell for some conservatives. Among them is Rep. Paul Gosar (R-Ariz.), who argued that the administration “shouldn’t be holding hostage grant monies aimed at community improvement based on its unrealistic utopian ideas of what every community should resemble.”

“American citizens and communities should be free to choose where they would like to live and not be subject to federal neighborhood engineering at the behest of a ...
The regulations would use grant money as an incent... (show quote)


I am not sure, again, why your author thought it was more accurate to use the term "wealthier" instead of "more affluent" when so much of the passages were lifted straight out of The Hill.

Maybe because more affluent could be any place with better housing than a slum and wealthy means rich for most of us?
Too flippin' bad, I say. Move if you want to be somewhere that resources aren't shared.

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Jun 13, 2015 09:25:16   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
JMHO wrote:
ring grant money as incentive so that affordable housing can be built in wealthier neighborhoods is what a new Housing and Urban Development (HUD) rule, designed by the Obama administration, is trying to accomplish in the name of diversification.

A spokesman says: "HUD is working with communities across the country to fulfill the promise of equal opportunity for all. The proposed policy seeks to break down barriers to access to opportunity in communities supported by HUD funds.

HUD is citing the Fair Housing Act of 1968, which prohibited race and wealth discrimination in real estate t***sactions, as the basis for taking such an action. Those communities that survey their neighborhoods and pinpoint where segregation is present can qualify for extra funds if they develop a plan to diversify its residents.

House Republicans are currently blocking what has been dubbed the Affirmatively Furthering Fair Housing rule. Critics, according to The Hill, are accusing President Obama of focusing too much on race. Rep. Paul Gosar (R-AZ) recently said that the administration "shouldn’t be holding hostage grant monies aimed at community improvement based on its unrealistic utopian ideas of what every community should resemble.”

He continued:

Instead of living with neighbors you like and choose -- this breaks up the core fabric of how we start to look at communities. That just brings unease to everyone in that area. People have to feel comfortable where they live. If I don’t feel comfortable in my own backyard, where do I feel comfortable?

This grab by the federal government could allow HUD to assert its own authority over city zoning laws, critics say, and even decide who lives where and what types of homes can be built; dramatically affecting property values and increasing taxes.

But for every critic, there is a proponent. Margery Turner of the Urban Institute praised the rule stating:

This rule is not about forcing anyone to live anywhere they don’t want to. It’s really about addressing long-standing practices that prevent people from living where they want to. In our country, decades of public policies and institutional practices have built deeply segregated and unequal neighborhoods. Segregation is clearly a problem that is blocking upward mobility for children growing up today.
ring grant money as incentive so that affordable h... (show quote)
If I lived in an area of high end housing and suddenly little houses started being buit on expensive lots I know my property values would go down and the opulence of my surroundings would be blighted with old beat up cars and poorly dressed children causing a traffic hazard in the streets. Increased crime? maybe. I know every body needs to live somewhere but I can't go along with this type of integration. Hud has built some very nice neighborhoods where the poor can enjoy home ownership. I can't see where it helps a neighborhood to have high end homes next to little houses made of "ticky tacky"

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Jun 13, 2015 09:25:17   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
JMHO wrote:
ring grant money as incentive so that affordable housing can be built in wealthier neighborhoods is what a new Housing and Urban Development (HUD) rule, designed by the Obama administration, is trying to accomplish in the name of diversification.

A spokesman says: "HUD is working with communities across the country to fulfill the promise of equal opportunity for all. The proposed policy seeks to break down barriers to access to opportunity in communities supported by HUD funds.

HUD is citing the Fair Housing Act of 1968, which prohibited race and wealth discrimination in real estate t***sactions, as the basis for taking such an action. Those communities that survey their neighborhoods and pinpoint where segregation is present can qualify for extra funds if they develop a plan to diversify its residents.

House Republicans are currently blocking what has been dubbed the Affirmatively Furthering Fair Housing rule. Critics, according to The Hill, are accusing President Obama of focusing too much on race. Rep. Paul Gosar (R-AZ) recently said that the administration "shouldn’t be holding hostage grant monies aimed at community improvement based on its unrealistic utopian ideas of what every community should resemble.”

He continued:

Instead of living with neighbors you like and choose -- this breaks up the core fabric of how we start to look at communities. That just brings unease to everyone in that area. People have to feel comfortable where they live. If I don’t feel comfortable in my own backyard, where do I feel comfortable?

This grab by the federal government could allow HUD to assert its own authority over city zoning laws, critics say, and even decide who lives where and what types of homes can be built; dramatically affecting property values and increasing taxes.

But for every critic, there is a proponent. Margery Turner of the Urban Institute praised the rule stating:

This rule is not about forcing anyone to live anywhere they don’t want to. It’s really about addressing long-standing practices that prevent people from living where they want to. In our country, decades of public policies and institutional practices have built deeply segregated and unequal neighborhoods. Segregation is clearly a problem that is blocking upward mobility for children growing up today.
ring grant money as incentive so that affordable h... (show quote)
If I lived in an area of high end housing and suddenly little houses started being buit on expensive lots I know my property values would go down and the opulence of my surroundings would be blighted with old beat up cars and poorly dressed children causing a traffic hazard in the streets. Increased crime? maybe. I know every body needs to live somewhere but I can't go along with this type of integration. Hud has built some very nice neighborhoods where the poor can enjoy home ownership. I can't see where it helps a neighborhood to have high end homes next to little houses made of "ticky tacky"

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Jun 13, 2015 09:42:30   #
no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun
 
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
If I lived in an area of high end housing and suddenly little houses started being buit on expensive lots I know my property values would go down and the opulence of my surroundings would be blighted with old beat up cars and poorly dressed children causing a traffic hazard in the streets. Increased crime? maybe. I know every body needs to live somewhere but I can't go along with this type of integration. Hud has built some very nice neighborhoods where the poor can enjoy home ownership. I can't see where it helps a neighborhood to have high end homes next to little houses made of "ticky tacky"
If I lived in an area of high end housing and sudd... (show quote)


Little houses filled with ticky tacky. They're all alike, they're just the same. There's a red one and a blue one AND THE UPDATE THERE'S A RAINBOW ONE

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Jun 13, 2015 10:00:25   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
no propaganda please wrote:
Little houses filled with ticky tacky. They're all alike, they're just the same. There's a red one and a blue one AND THE UPDATE THERE'S A RAINBOW ONE


:lol: :lol: :lol: http://youtu.be/VUoXtddNPAM

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Jun 13, 2015 10:29:14   #
Glaucon
 
JMHO wrote:
Yep, that's the Democrats plan...turning America into one big defenseless ghetto.
If you are blaming the Democrats OR the Republicans, you have no idea what is going on and you are a major part of the problem. Think, don't just emote.

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Jun 13, 2015 10:31:47   #
jelun
 
Glaucon wrote:
If you are blaming the Democrats OR the Republicans, you have no idea what is going on and you are a major part of the problem. Think, don't just emote.



He just told us he has surrounded himself with preppers, thinking is foreign to him.
And we know that anything foreign is B A D.

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Jun 13, 2015 10:32:05   #
no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun
 
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
:lol: :lol: :lol: http://youtu.be/VUoXtddNPAM


Thank you for the youtube. Haven't heard that one in years!!

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