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Aug 10, 2013 13:13:00   #
octogenarian
 
The time has come for States to re-assert their rights under the constitution.
Each State should issue it's own permits to drill for oil whether on State lands or on Federal lands and then allow and support the start of drilling.
The federal government has completely forfeited it's right to have authority over the use of any land and must be stopped.
Forget about the courts.
They have been co-opted by the c*******t environmentalists.
Forget about e******ns, they no longer mean anything.
We are approaching the point where peaceful, mass civil disobedience against the federal government will be the only way to truly restore the Constitution as the rule of law in our great nation.
The federal government has become a repressive, Marxist entity and is rapidly morphing into a totalitarian monstrosity.
The EPA is an enemy of the Republic which must be immediately disbanded and it's managers put on trial for treason and sentenced to long stints in prison, starting with the radical c*******t administrator of the Agency, Lisa Jackson.
The Republicans in the House and Senate need to move boldly to abolish the EPA.
This is one stance by the Republicans that the vast majority of Americans will applaud.
The Environmental Marxist Oppression Agency is destroying our economy and our way of life.
K**l it Republicans.
One other thing that needs to happen: Impeach Obama.
Obama cuts the value of the dollar in half, and has the nerve to talk about "record profits" of the oil companies. What about the "record costs" of everything else, Jack-Ass?
Are the evil oil companies responsible for that too?
Or is the responsibility for every high cost the fault of the dip-stick who is not only choking off our fuel supply, but who is printing money hand-over-fist?
Anyway that's what I think.



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Aug 10, 2013 15:57:22   #
viet vet
 
octogenarian wrote:
The time has come for States to re-assert their rights under the constitution.
Each State should issue it's own permits to drill for oil whether on State lands or on Federal lands and then allow and support the start of drilling.
The federal government has completely forfeited it's right to have authority over the use of any land and must be stopped.
Forget about the courts.
They have been co-opted by the c*******t environmentalists.
Forget about e******ns, they no longer mean anything.
We are approaching the point where peaceful, mass civil disobedience against the federal government will be the only way to truly restore the Constitution as the rule of law in our great nation.
The federal government has become a repressive, Marxist entity and is rapidly morphing into a totalitarian monstrosity.
The EPA is an enemy of the Republic which must be immediately disbanded and it's managers put on trial for treason and sentenced to long stints in prison, starting with the radical c*******t administrator of the Agency, Lisa Jackson.
The Republicans in the House and Senate need to move boldly to abolish the EPA.
This is one stance by the Republicans that the vast majority of Americans will applaud.
The Environmental Marxist Oppression Agency is destroying our economy and our way of life.
K**l it Republicans.
One other thing that needs to happen: Impeach Obama.
Obama cuts the value of the dollar in half, and has the nerve to talk about "record profits" of the oil companies. What about the "record costs" of everything else, Jack-Ass?
Are the evil oil companies responsible for that too?
Or is the responsibility for every high cost the fault of the dip-stick who is not only choking off our fuel supply, but who is printing money hand-over-fist?
Anyway that's what I think.
The time has come for States to re-assert their ri... (show quote)



I am more of the opinion that the federal government is more protective of American rights than the collection of states we have , if states rights were to be imposed on the country how far would you like it to go and how far would you like the federal government to be reduced

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Aug 10, 2013 16:42:50   #
faithistheword
 
viet vet wrote:
I am more of the opinion that the federal government is more protective of American rights than the collection of states we have , if states rights were to be imposed on the country how far would you like it to go and how far would you like the federal government to be reduced


Really? You're satisfied with the Homeland Security Act, and the abuses attributed to the enforcers? Really?
States would not be imposing their laws on other states, that's the beauty of States' Rights. Personally, I'd like the federal govt. to be reduced to what the Constitution established for it: Print money (NOT like these guys are doing, however); Maintain an Army (To protect us, not to protect them against us);, and to uphold the constitution.

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Aug 10, 2013 17:02:57   #
viet vet
 
faithistheword wrote:
Really? You're satisfied with the Homeland Security Act, and the abuses attributed to the enforcers? Really?
States would not be imposing their laws on other states, that's the beauty of States' Rights. Personally, I'd like the federal govt. to be reduced to what the Constitution established for it: Print money (NOT like these guys are doing, however); Maintain an Army (To protect us, not to protect them against us);, and to uphold the constitution.


no I am not happy with, the Homeland Security Act and have never been happy with it , It fundamentally is an evil that has to much support from our leaders fore the misguided impression it makes us safer and there are to many levels of secrecy involved with it
But I do like the interstate roads we now enjoy and if we had the level of independence you would wish for the states that would still be a dream not a reality

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Aug 10, 2013 18:25:23   #
faithistheword
 
viet vet wrote:
no I am not happy with, the Homeland Security Act and have never been happy with it , It fundamentally is an evil that has to much support from our leaders fore the misguided impression it makes us safer and there are to many levels of secrecy involved with it
But I do like the interstate roads we now enjoy and if we had the level of independence you would wish for the states that would still be a dream not a reality


I think the Auto manufacturers would have built roads if that was what it would take for them to sell cars. The private sector always figures these things out. People say the unions had a purpose at one time, but I don't believe that, either. I think the private sector would have realized they had to pay their workers enough to buy their cars. That's what capitalism is all about--the private sector jumping in and solving problems.

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Aug 10, 2013 19:22:08   #
octogenarian
 
Well, at least my comments stirred up some interesting thoughts. Thanks.


Octogenarian

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Aug 11, 2013 08:51:28   #
Loki Loc: Georgia
 
viet vet wrote:
I am more of the opinion that the federal government is more protective of American rights than the collection of states we have , if states rights were to be imposed on the country how far would you like it to go and how far would you like the federal government to be reduced


Different states have different requirements. What is needful in NY may be unworkable in NM, yet the Federal Government, with it's disingenuous "one size fits all, (poorly)" bureaucratic mindset, either cannot or will not recognize this. It has become an apparatchik and abuse-ridden leviathan floundering under the weight of it's incompetence, as it seeks to micro-manage a myriad of things that either are not, or should not be it's business. I would go further and state that in many cases, municipalities are more cognizant of their requirements than even the State Capitol, much less the Federal Government. The governmental insistence on conformity for the sake of conformity is too expensive, and too unwieldy.

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Aug 11, 2013 09:05:23   #
viet vet
 
banjojack wrote:
Different states have different requirements. What is needful in NY may be unworkable in NM, yet the Federal Government, with it's disingenuous "one size fits all, (poorly)" bureaucratic mindset, either cannot or will not recognize this. It has become an apparatchik and abuse-ridden leviathan floundering under the weight of it's incompetence, as it seeks to micro-manage a myriad of things that either are not, or should not be it's business. I would go further and state that in many cases, municipalities are more cognizant of their requirements than even the State Capitol, much less the Federal Government. The governmental insistence on conformity for the sake of conformity is too expensive, and too unwieldy.
Different states have different requirements. What... (show quote)


If we were to have the system you envision , I believe we would have a system of disunity , there is a need for a cohesive entity to provide direction that is in the national interest instead of 50 competing interests and the system you propose would not do that

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Aug 11, 2013 09:19:03   #
TheCracker
 
octogenarian wrote:
Well, at least my comments stirred up some interesting thoughts. Thanks.


Octogenarian


Indeed they did and I for one thank you.

Ah yes, freedom of speech. Such a wonderful concept where free people can maintain their freedom through it -- or risk death, speaking for it.

Damnation. Those American "Bill of Rights" sure can piss of wannabe despots.

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Aug 11, 2013 11:09:04   #
Roy Morris
 
I agree with you 100% Roy

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Aug 11, 2013 11:17:45   #
Nuclearian Loc: I live in a Fascist, Liberal State
 
octogenarian wrote:
The time has come for States to re-assert their rights under the constitution.
Each State should issue it's own permits to drill for oil whether on State lands or on Federal lands and then allow and support the start of drilling.
The federal government has completely forfeited it's right to have authority over the use of any land and must be stopped.
Forget about the courts.
They have been co-opted by the c*******t environmentalists.
Forget about e******ns, they no longer mean anything.
We are approaching the point where peaceful, mass civil disobedience against the federal government will be the only way to truly restore the Constitution as the rule of law in our great nation.
The federal government has become a repressive, Marxist entity and is rapidly morphing into a totalitarian monstrosity.
The EPA is an enemy of the Republic which must be immediately disbanded and it's managers put on trial for treason and sentenced to long stints in prison, starting with the radical c*******t administrator of the Agency, Lisa Jackson.
The Republicans in the House and Senate need to move boldly to abolish the EPA.
This is one stance by the Republicans that the vast majority of Americans will applaud.
The Environmental Marxist Oppression Agency is destroying our economy and our way of life.
K**l it Republicans.
One other thing that needs to happen: Impeach Obama.
Obama cuts the value of the dollar in half, and has the nerve to talk about "record profits" of the oil companies. What about the "record costs" of everything else, Jack-Ass?
Are the evil oil companies responsible for that too?
Or is the responsibility for every high cost the fault of the dip-stick who is not only choking off our fuel supply, but who is printing money hand-over-fist?
Anyway that's what I think.
The time has come for States to re-assert their ri... (show quote)


I would v**e for you if you ran.

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Aug 11, 2013 13:20:11   #
rcksha
 
octogenarian, I agree with you on most issues, perhaps the majority. However Viet vet makes some good points. How about the Feds only handle issues agreed by the states congregations by mutual agreement?

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Aug 11, 2013 14:41:28   #
AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State
 
banjojack wrote:
Different states have different requirements. What is needful in NY may be unworkable in NM, yet the Federal Government, with it's disingenuous "one size fits all, (poorly)" bureaucratic mindset, either cannot or will not recognize this. It has become an apparatchik and abuse-ridden leviathan floundering under the weight of it's incompetence, as it seeks to micro-manage a myriad of things that either are not, or should not be it's business. I would go further and state that in many cases, municipalities are more cognizant of their requirements than even the State Capitol, much less the Federal Government. The governmental insistence on conformity for the sake of conformity is too expensive, and too unwieldy.
Different states have different requirements. What... (show quote)


Two perfect examples of State Capitols not being as cognizant of municipal needs, wants or opinions would be Colorado and New York. There are others; however, those immediately came to mind.

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Aug 11, 2013 18:07:57   #
viet vet
 
faithistheword wrote:
I think the Auto manufacturers would have built roads if that was what it would take for them to sell cars. The private sector always figures these things out. People say the unions had a purpose at one time, but I don't believe that, either. I think the private sector would have realized they had to pay their workers enough to buy their cars. That's what capitalism is all about--the private sector jumping in and solving problems.


All of this talk about states rights is just euphemistic, what is really being proposed is setting up a confederation instead of a republic and the only confederation that works is Switzerland and it only works because of it's size

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Aug 11, 2013 18:29:46   #
AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State
 
viet vet wrote:
All of this talk about states rights is just euphemistic, what is really being proposed is setting up a confederation instead of a republic and the only confederation that works is Switzerland and it only works because of it's size


Your perception is somewhat off target.

What is being proposed is returning to states those rights which have been usurped by the Federal government. For many, many, many decades states managed to work cooperatively without federal interference.

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