Who was THOMAS JEFFERSON
Jun 11, 2015 19:11:30 #
Who was THOMAS JEFFERSON
This is interesting. There are two parts. Be sure to read the 2nd part (in RED).
Thomas Jefferson was a very remarkable man who started learning very early in life and never stopped.
At 5, began studying under his cousin's tutor.
At 9, studied Latin, Greek and French.
At 14, studied classical literature and additional languages.
At 16, entered the College of William and Mary. Also could write in Greek with one hand while writing the same in Latin with the other.
At 19, studied Law for 5 years starting under George Wythe.
At 23, started his own law practice.
At 25, was elected to the Virginia House of Burgesses.
At 31, wrote the widely circulated "Summary View of the Rights of British America ? And retired from his law practice.
At 32, was a Delegate to the Second Continental Congress.
At 33, wrote the Declaration of Independence .
At 33, took three years to revise Virginia 's legal code and wrote a Public Education bill and a statute for Religious Freedom.
At 36, was elected the second Governor of Virginia succeeding Patrick Henry.
At 40, served in Congress for two years.
At 41, was the American minister to France and negotiated commercial treaties with European nations along with Ben Franklin and John Adams.
At 46, served as the first Secretary of State under George Washington.
At 53, served as Vice President and was elected president of the American Philosophical Society.
At 55, drafted the Kentucky Resolutions and became the active head of Republican Party.
At 57, was elected the third president of the United States .
At 60, obtained the Louisiana Purchase doubling the nation's size.
At 61, was elected to a second term as President.
At 65, retired to Monticello .
At 80, helped President Monroe shape the Monroe Doctrine.
At 81, almost single-handedly created the University of Virginia and served as its first president.
At 83, died on the 50th anniversary of the Signing of the Declaration of Independence along with John Adams.
Thomas Jefferson knew because he himself studied the previous failed attempts at government. He understood actual history, the nature of God, his laws and the nature of man. That happens to be way more than what most understand today. Jefferson really knew his stuff. A voice from the past to lead us in the future:
John F. Kennedy held a dinner in the White House for a group of the brightest minds in the nation at that time. He made this statement: "This is perhaps the assembly of the most intelligence ever to gather at one time in the White House with the exception of when Thomas Jefferson dined alone."
"When we get piled upon one another in large cities, as in Europe, we shall become as corrupt as Europe ."
-- Thomas Jefferson
"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not."
-- Thomas Jefferson
"It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. A principle which if acted on would save one-half the wars of the world."
-- Thomas Jefferson
"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."
-- Thomas Jefferson
"My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government."
-- Thomas Jefferson
"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."
-- Thomas Jefferson
"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."
-- Thomas Jefferson
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
-- Thomas Jefferson
"To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical."
-- Thomas Jefferson
Thomas Jefferson said in 1802:
"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our l iberties than standing armies.
If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property - until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered."
This is interesting. There are two parts. Be sure to read the 2nd part (in RED).
Thomas Jefferson was a very remarkable man who started learning very early in life and never stopped.
At 5, began studying under his cousin's tutor.
At 9, studied Latin, Greek and French.
At 14, studied classical literature and additional languages.
At 16, entered the College of William and Mary. Also could write in Greek with one hand while writing the same in Latin with the other.
At 19, studied Law for 5 years starting under George Wythe.
At 23, started his own law practice.
At 25, was elected to the Virginia House of Burgesses.
At 31, wrote the widely circulated "Summary View of the Rights of British America ? And retired from his law practice.
At 32, was a Delegate to the Second Continental Congress.
At 33, wrote the Declaration of Independence .
At 33, took three years to revise Virginia 's legal code and wrote a Public Education bill and a statute for Religious Freedom.
At 36, was elected the second Governor of Virginia succeeding Patrick Henry.
At 40, served in Congress for two years.
At 41, was the American minister to France and negotiated commercial treaties with European nations along with Ben Franklin and John Adams.
At 46, served as the first Secretary of State under George Washington.
At 53, served as Vice President and was elected president of the American Philosophical Society.
At 55, drafted the Kentucky Resolutions and became the active head of Republican Party.
At 57, was elected the third president of the United States .
At 60, obtained the Louisiana Purchase doubling the nation's size.
At 61, was elected to a second term as President.
At 65, retired to Monticello .
At 80, helped President Monroe shape the Monroe Doctrine.
At 81, almost single-handedly created the University of Virginia and served as its first president.
At 83, died on the 50th anniversary of the Signing of the Declaration of Independence along with John Adams.
Thomas Jefferson knew because he himself studied the previous failed attempts at government. He understood actual history, the nature of God, his laws and the nature of man. That happens to be way more than what most understand today. Jefferson really knew his stuff. A voice from the past to lead us in the future:
John F. Kennedy held a dinner in the White House for a group of the brightest minds in the nation at that time. He made this statement: "This is perhaps the assembly of the most intelligence ever to gather at one time in the White House with the exception of when Thomas Jefferson dined alone."
"When we get piled upon one another in large cities, as in Europe, we shall become as corrupt as Europe ."
-- Thomas Jefferson
"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not."
-- Thomas Jefferson
"It is incumbent on every generation to pay its own debts as it goes. A principle which if acted on would save one-half the wars of the world."
-- Thomas Jefferson
"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."
-- Thomas Jefferson
"My reading of history convinces me that most bad government results from too much government."
-- Thomas Jefferson
"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."
-- Thomas Jefferson
"The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government."
-- Thomas Jefferson
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."
-- Thomas Jefferson
"To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical."
-- Thomas Jefferson
Thomas Jefferson said in 1802:
"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our l iberties than standing armies.
If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around the banks will deprive the people of all property - until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered."
Jun 11, 2015 19:15:09 #
Geezer1948
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eagleye13 wrote:
Who was THOMAS JEFFERSON
This is interesting. There are two parts. Be sure to read the 2nd part (in RED).
This is interesting. There are two parts. Be sure to read the 2nd part (in RED).
Second part in RED? Where?
Jun 11, 2015 20:21:33 #
The "red" does not t***smit.
I think the text gives the reader an understanding of Jefferson's beliefs, and who he was.
I think the text gives the reader an understanding of Jefferson's beliefs, and who he was.
Geezer1948 wrote:
Second part in RED? Where?
Jun 11, 2015 20:32:26 #
eagleye13 wrote:
Who was THOMAS JEFFERSON br br br This is inter... (show quote)
You left out the one about separation of church and state.
In his letter to the Danbury Baptist Association dated Jan 1 1802.
Where he stated : I contemplate with sovereign reverence that the act of the whole of the American people which declared that thier legislature would " make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, " thus building a wall of separation between Church and State.
Jun 11, 2015 20:39:07 #
We hold these t***hs to be self-evident: that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
Thomas Jefferson
nuff said~~~
Thomas Jefferson
nuff said~~~
Jun 11, 2015 20:43:21 #
Marcus; did you but this BS pushed in school and the PTB???
Jefferson was warning about a State Religion.
Never saying to take religious morality out of government.
Jefferson was warning about a State Religion.
Never saying to take religious morality out of government.
Marcus Johnson wrote:
You left out the one about separation of church and state.
In his letter to the Danbury Baptist Association dated Jan 1 1802.
Where he stated : I contemplate with sovereign reverence that the act of the whole of the American people which declared that thier legislature would " make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, " thus building a wall of separation between Church and State.
In his letter to the Danbury Baptist Association dated Jan 1 1802.
Where he stated : I contemplate with sovereign reverence that the act of the whole of the American people which declared that thier legislature would " make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, " thus building a wall of separation between Church and State.
Jun 11, 2015 20:50:25 #
eagleye13 wrote:
Marcus; did you but this BS pushed in school and the PTB???
Jefferson was warning about a State Religion.
Never saying to take religious morality out of government.
Jefferson was warning about a State Religion.
Never saying to take religious morality out of government.
He very clearly established a separation of church and state with the 1st amendment.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion (insert wall here)or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press, or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
You see without that wall none of the rest of it is possible.
Jun 11, 2015 21:16:33 #
Again;Total BS!!!
No state religion was what he was professing.
Take religion out of government; and you get what we got.
Self serving scoundrels as politicians, working for master scoundrels.
No state religion was what he was professing.
Take religion out of government; and you get what we got.
Self serving scoundrels as politicians, working for master scoundrels.
Marcus Johnson wrote:
He very clearly established a separation of church and state with the 1st amendment.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion (insert wall here)or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press, or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
You see without that wall none of the rest of it is possible.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion (insert wall here)or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press, or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
You see without that wall none of the rest of it is possible.
Jun 11, 2015 21:26:24 #
eagleye13 wrote:
Again;Total BS!!!
No state religion was what he was professing.
Take religion out of government; and you get what we got.
Self serving scoundrels as politicians, working for master scoundrels.
No state religion was what he was professing.
Take religion out of government; and you get what we got.
Self serving scoundrels as politicians, working for master scoundrels.
Put Religion Government and you get Saudi Arabia.
Where you can be put to death for blasphemy.
Or there IS ALWAYS ISIS !
Jun 11, 2015 21:27:59 #
eagleye13 wrote:
Again;Total BS!!!
No state religion was what he was professing.
Take religion out of government; and you get what we got.
Self serving scoundrels as politicians, working for master scoundrels.
No state religion was what he was professing.
Take religion out of government; and you get what we got.
Self serving scoundrels as politicians, working for master scoundrels.
And no , the 1st amendment was a constitutional amendment, not a state amendment. Duh!
Jun 12, 2015 04:26:50 #
Marcus Johnson wrote:
And no , the 1st amendment was a constitutional amendment, not a state amendment. Duh!
Another word for nation is state... Duh!
Jun 12, 2015 05:58:18 #
Jun 12, 2015 08:33:19 #
Marcus Johnson wrote:
Put Religion Government and you get Saudi Arabia.
Where you can be put to death for blasphemy.
Or there IS ALWAYS ISIS !
Where you can be put to death for blasphemy.
Or there IS ALWAYS ISIS !
Not always. England has the Church of England and they don't chop your head off if you do something wrong or not join.
What he is talking about to is the national government not having a say in religion, but the states could still have a state religion and some did.
The big problem with state religions was people having to support it even if they did not belong to it. They finally got away from even that, but there is nothing in the Constitution that says that a state cannot have a state religion and they did, before and after the Constitution was written.
What he was really aiming at was a TOTAL ban on the FEDERAL government having ANY say for or against ANY religion. The Supreme Court has NO AUTHORITY to even hear a case involving religion and they do NOT have the authority to stop ANY religion or people praying in public or anywhere else for that matter. That includes praying in schools or after school at football games.
That have taken the statement about separation of church and state and totally turned it around to mean something it does not mean and to give them authority over religion.
That means that every so called law or ruling against religion is a f**e and means absolutely NOTHING and should be nullified by the states.
Jun 12, 2015 09:30:54 #
Well stated MrEd.
The separation of church and state is just another piece of BS taught in our public/government schools. In the textbooks, the MSM, etc.
This BS was promoted by the same entities that call our Constitutional Republic a "Democracy", and have succeeded in turning America into a Democracy. Majority rules; no protections for the minorities. All the PTB have to do is fool or buy 51% of the "v**ers".
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The separation of church and state is just another piece of BS taught in our public/government schools. In the textbooks, the MSM, etc.
This BS was promoted by the same entities that call our Constitutional Republic a "Democracy", and have succeeded in turning America into a Democracy. Majority rules; no protections for the minorities. All the PTB have to do is fool or buy 51% of the "v**ers".
MrEd wrote:
Not always. England has the Church of England and ... (show quote)
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Jun 12, 2015 09:32:00 #
Marcus Johnson wrote:
You left out the one about separation of church and state.
In his letter to the Danbury Baptist Association dated Jan 1 1802.
Where he stated : I contemplate with sovereign reverence that the act of the whole of the American people which declared that thier legislature would " make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, " thus building a wall of separation between Church and State.
In his letter to the Danbury Baptist Association dated Jan 1 1802.
Where he stated : I contemplate with sovereign reverence that the act of the whole of the American people which declared that thier legislature would " make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, " thus building a wall of separation between Church and State.
Note that the "wall" was to keep the government out of religion and NOT religion out of government. Jefferson was responding to Christians (the Dansbury Baptists) and NOT muslims, hindus, etc. To Jefferson the different religions were different sects of Christians (Baptists, Methodists, Presbyterians, etc.). The first official war for the United States after the revolution was against MUSLIMS, the Barbary Pirates. Thats what the line in the Marine Corps Hymn "to the shores of Tripoli" refer to. If only the US educational system would teach history, real history. Now we have a whole bunch of young folks coming out of high school and college who have been taught the principles of socialism and not LIBERTY and democracy with the emphasis on LIBERTY. Some folks like to claim that Jefferson was a friend of muslims because be obtained and READ the Qur'an (Koran). Nope, not why he read it. He was fixing to go to war with these guys and wanted to know everything he could about Islam. He was not impressed with the Qur'an. I've read it too and I'm not impressed either. Sounds like it was written by the devil and NOT God. We now have a generation of Americans that know nothing of the history of this nation. God save us.
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