lpnmajor wrote:
What bubble was burst? I was referring to the ships sunk off the Atlantic coast and in the gulf of Mexico - which were sunk by N**i U Boats. No Japanese in sight.
The War Dept. didn't think U Boats could sail so far, discounting replenishment at sea - first mistake. They didn't think Hitler had the gall - second mistake. The final and fatal mistake for 100's of sailors and 1000's of tons of desperately needed supplies - they didn't prepare for the eventual under sea battle and even waited for dozens of ships to be sunk - before admitting they were wrong and getting busy finding effective counter strategies.
Remember the Moms buying body armor for their kids at the beginning of our recent wars, because WE didn't have enough to go around? Remember the troops jerry rigging armor for their Humvees, because we sent them to war with street legal station wagons? How many were k**led and wounded because of THAT lack of preparedness?
We consistently UNDER estimate our enemies and OVER estimate our greatness, resulting in needless death and injury all around. Going to war takes no time at all, preparing to go to war should take years - yet - we spend no more time preparing for war, than it takes to concoct the first news conference talking points.
We are i***ts to have let this happen again and again and again - but we can stop being i***ts in this one area - if we chose to.
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When you wrote "our OWN waters", that would include the Territory of Hawaii which is a much greater loss of ships. I don't remember many ships being torpedoed off the coast of the U.S.
Why spend time preparing for war today when the wars are illegal to begin with?
Our government and her closest allies spent a lot of time planning and executing 9/11 so they 'd have an excuse to go to war. Going to war is easy for the Deep State operators. Getting the people to allow it is what takes planning.
Uncle Jesse-what Rumsfeld alluded to was not whether we should have gone into Iraq, but the attempt at introducing democracy to the country.
Rumsfeld was a strong supporter of the Iraq war and you are being disingenuous by suggesting otherwise. We wanted them to have democracy more than they did. The rift between the Kurds/Sunni/Shia is such that it will be difficult for them to ever have a functioning government much less a democracy. I guess those people have a mindset which dictates that their lives comprise of growing opium, fighting, sand and camel dung. Looks like they do not have the heart to fight for their country so its sand and camel dung while high on opium. Hind sight is always 20/20 according to all armchair quarterbacks. In that vein, had we known that the first black president would be such a failure we could have chosen a different black person to be president. Good Luck America !!!
The war mongering deceit continued with Viet Nam (Gulf of Tonkin "incident" ; and continues to this day in the Middle East mess we were gotten into.
War is a money making racket.
payne1000 wrote:
Sorry to burst your bubble but our leaders knew attacks on Pearl Harbor were imminent. Why do you think they sent all aircraft carriers away from Pearl Harbor before the attacks?
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Ricko wrote:
Uncle Jesse-what Rumsfeld alluded to was not whether we should have gone into Iraq, but the attempt at introducing democracy to the country.
Rumsfeld was a strong supporter of the Iraq war and you are being disingenuous by suggesting otherwise. We wanted them to have democracy more than they did. The rift between the Kurds/Sunni/Shia is such that it will be difficult for them to ever have a functioning government much less a democracy. I guess those people have a mindset which dictates that their lives comprise of growing opium, fighting, sand and camel dung. Looks like they do not have the heart to fight for their country so its sand and camel dung while high on opium. Hind sight is always 20/20 according to all armchair quarterbacks. In that vein, had we known that the first black president would be such a failure we could have chosen a different black person to be president. Good Luck America !!!
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On the contrary. I'm impressed he had the insight to get out of Iraq and the same insight to say we don't have a strategy to fight ISIS. I'd say that staying out of it is the best option. The black Muslim socialist has some smarts.
Ricko wrote:
Uncle Jesse-what Rumsfeld alluded to was not whether we should have gone into Iraq, but the attempt at introducing democracy to the country.
Rumsfeld was a strong supporter of the Iraq war and you are being disingenuous by suggesting otherwise. We wanted them to have democracy more than they did. The rift between the Kurds/Sunni/Shia is such that it will be difficult for them to ever have a functioning government much less a democracy. I guess those people have a mindset which dictates that their lives comprise of growing opium, fighting, sand and camel dung. Looks like they do not have the heart to fight for their country so its sand and camel dung while high on opium. Hind sight is always 20/20 according to all armchair quarterbacks. In that vein, had we known that the first black president would be such a failure we could have chosen a different black person to be president. Good Luck America !!!
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This is Z*****t MSM BS - "So do we go there... to keep them there.. or shall we fight here on our land .????? That is reality."
Our z*****t CFR Foreign Policy brought these paid thugs here.
All part of their NWO plan. A sovereign America must be fundamentally changed. It is.
From a Constitutional Republic, do a manipulated and s**mmed "democracy".
nancyjess wrote:
hi bad bob, that would be a fantasy , if we could just let middle east fight their own battles... ! They want the whole world to be islam, with sharia law.. and they are wiling to die for it.
Don't you know,, they are already setting up camps.. and training here in the U.S.A.? And have infiltrated mosques to train... and brain wash people.?? All they do is come across our open borders.. just the way Obama wants them to. Its like he is leaving a path way for them to enter. He has ordered the patrol guards on the border to stand down. ! So your in fantasy land.
You better start researching bad Bob , they are already here.
So do we go there... to keep them there.. or shall we fight here on our land .????? That is reality.
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UncleJesse wrote:
On the contrary. I'm impressed he had the insight to get out of Iraq and the same insight to say we don't have a strategy to fight ISIS. I'd say that staying out of it is the best option. The black Muslim socialist has some smarts.
Ron Paul The Enemy of America. AIPAC PNAC Trilateral CFR NWO 2012
http://youtu.be/ki9GAE1ZKRI
Libs can only continue to blame Bush...how unoriginal! Get a LIFE...
CowboyMilt wrote:
Libs can only continue to blame Bush...how unoriginal! Get a LIFE...
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CowboyMilt wrote:
Libs can only continue to blame Bush...how unoriginal! Get a LIFE...
And the morons that v**ed for him TWICE. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
UncleJessie,
What bothered me was Rumsfeld saying all of this, while he and Cheney were the real actors, not George W. Bush. He can sit back now, what, almost 14 years later, and pontificate.
NOTHING sounded "off" or strange to him. He and Cheney were the ones who decided to make war on Iraq.
This just is a stunning reversal, a re-invention which doesn't hold water.
What a liar, hypocrite, and a fool - to say all this in
public. Does he think all Americans have forgotten his role after September 11? I haven't.
The DUH - belongs to Dublya, Rumsfeld and Chaney.
Bad Bob,
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Yes they did v**e for Dublya twice. And Uncle Milk or whoever is blaming everything on "liberals".
Watch out - you're gonna be attacked. The t***h about politics is disliked on this forum.
The strategy: attack, call schoolyard names, bile,
venom. Fear of the "other" is high on this forum. If
someone "disagrees, even if someone is polite", that
person will be attacked as scum, N**i, "liberal" (wow,
isn't that just awful?), and personal slurs.
Watch out - for no reason someone will insist that you
are a "f*g". Very adult. Not.
DanceTherapist wrote:
UncleJessie,
What bothered me was Rumsfeld saying all of this, while he and Cheney were the real actors, not George W. Bush. He can sit back now, what, almost 14 years later, and pontificate.
NOTHING sounded "off" or strange to him. He and Cheney were the ones who decided to make war on Iraq.
This just is a stunning reversal, a re-invention which doesn't hold water.
What a liar, hypocrite, and a fool - to say all this in
public. Does he think all Americans have forgotten his role after September 11? I haven't.
The DUH - belongs to Dublya, Rumsfeld and Chaney.
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NancyJess, and the other usual suspects. Bad Bob, Uncle,
there are NO camps in the USA. And we do not have a Black
Muslim Socialist in the Presidency. Rumsfeld was all FOR the war.
Now, there is no governing force in Iraq. No one has any faith in the country.
NancyJess, do you think that you and others (all of us, I
guess) are in immediate threat of Sharia law. Better dust off your Chardor. What a load of crap.
Mr. Obama has made mistakes. One mistake he has not made is:
not being who you neo-cons accuse him of. He is a B***k A******n.
There is no good plan to "degrade" ISIS or any other of the
terrorist organizations. Iraqi military can have our help of
Intel, and weapons, more training, but they will have to do the fighting. If they can find it in them.
BadBob
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Nora
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