JW

One of our Liberal members pointed out that nowhere in the Bible is a loving, committed homosexual relationship condemned. He is correct on that point but nowhere is serial murder condemned either. The Bible simply says murder is wrong. It also says homosexuality is wrong. I think the Bible's author presumed we could follow the logic. Apparently some can't.

Humble

Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, 1 Cor 6:9

Humble

first mention in the Bible is in Genesis 19:1-13. The wicked men of Sodom attempted a homosexual rape of two messengers from God who had come to visit Lot. As a result of this and other widespread wickedness, God destroyed the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah in a storm of fire and brimstone.
The next two mentions are in Leviticus


You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an a*********n. (NKJ, Leviticus 18:22)

If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an a*********n. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them. (NKJ, Leviticus 20:13)

PeterS

As a liberal I would ask--why does it matter what the bible says? We don't base our laws on the bible so what it says has no relevance to what we decide. The question is simply whether two people in a loving relationship of legal age should be allowed to be married. If there is no harm to them or to others then there is no LOGICAL reason to deny them the right to marry. Can you follow that or is love between two people too complicated a concept for you to understand...

DJRich Loc: Western Pa

Don't forget not to eat shellfish, pork, wear blended fiber clothing or working on the sabbath.

You cannot pick and choose what to be offended by from simple bible quotes

JW

I mention the Bible because your compatriot brought it up as justification for homosexuality. I really can't just let it go at that. As for love between two people, entirely understandable, engagining in sex acts that deny the design and function of a creature, utterly reprehensible, disease fostering and d********g. How about you, can you get a handle on that?

JW

Those things were matters of health at the time written, trichinosis from pork, poisoning from unrefrigerated shellfish and skin damage from inferior fabrics. Homosexual behavior was/is a major source of serious disease...fatal before modern meds.

DJRich Loc: Western Pa

However the bible has not been "updated", so just like homosexuality, all of the other condemnation of leviticus still apply

PeterS

Homosexuality is a major source of disease? So use a condom. Sex is a major source of disease--homosexual or not. And just what skin damage resulted from inferior fabrics? It sounds like you are just saying the first thing that pops into your mind...

JW

Leviticus doesn't apply to Christians, there was no Christianity before Christ. Christ was the update.

mwdegutis Loc: Illinois

Please read this very carefully and let it sink in. You might gain some insight.

First you would be correct, the condemnation of Levitical law still applies. Nothing has changed. The only thing is that the condemnation only applies to those who have not been saved by the cleansing blood of Jesus Christ. You see, sin is still sin and we ALL sin. The only difference is that people who are saved have now had ALL their sins, past, present, and future forgiven through Jesus. Do you understand the implications of that? Let me explain in simple terms.

First, it doesn’t mean the saved now get a “free pass” to do wh**ever they want. It means that by becoming saved you will have become a new person who, even though is still a sinner, will now become more like Jesus every day. Notice I didn’t say instantly. The final change will come when you die and are judged by our Lord. Because then the saved will get that “free pass” because all their sins are wiped cleaned. Unfortunately the unsaved sins won’t be wiped clean because they didn’t accept Jesus’ free gift of salvation and well, I don’t need to tell you where that ends up.

For those who are interested, how do you accept Jesus’ free gift of salvation? Five easy steps:

1. Admit you are a sinner – Romans 3:23 For everyone has sinned; we all fall short of God’s glorious standard.
2. Understand that as a sinner, you will die – Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life through Christ Jesus our Lord.
3. Believe that Jesus died on the cross and was raised from the dead to save you from sin and death – Romans 10:9-11; 13 If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is by believing in your heart that you are made right with God, and it is by confessing with your mouth that you are saved. 11 As the Scriptures tell us, “Anyone who trusts in him will never be disgraced.”…For “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”
4. Receive, in faith through Jesus, his free gift of salvation – Romans 5:1 Therefore, since we have been made right in God’s sight by faith, we have peace with God because of what Jesus Christ our Lord has done for us.
5. Repent by turning from your old life of sin to a new life in Jesus.

DJRich Loc: Western Pa

Since jesus says NOTHING about homosexuality, the laws of leviticus apply, ALL OF THEM.

so called christians cannot be cafeteria christians and pick and choose what they like

JW

Heterosex causes no disease in a single faithful exclusive couple. Homosex causes all sorts of disease without protection...which doesn't seem to take hold in the gay community. Protection, that is, disease seems to have no trouble taking hold in the homosexual community.

The skin problems depend on what fibers are blended. For example, (if you are familiar with ancient methods of weaving), there are any number of plant fibers that could be used in the warp that could do serious harm if laid directly on the skin.

As it happens, blending materials was also a means of c***ting the buyer... like watering your gas at the filling station.

JW

The new testament is very clear on the subject of homosexuality, it is forbidden.

CarolSeer2016

I've tried to point out the consequences to society, Peter. If you can not see that these consequences necessarily follow from certain other actions, then in some way your desire for normalcy is interfering with your ability for causal thinking. Have you read my replies to your comments on your thread: "60 Percent of Americans..."?

If so, I haven't received them.