oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)

Old Wild Bill tells this story just as I have always known it. I love to hear the man especially when he has the story so right and the h**ers of Jews, like those we have here, are so wrong about it. I am no authority of the Six Day War, but I am sure that I know a lot more about it than many of the H**ers of the Jews. I wonder how many of those people know that the Egyptians were convinced that the Israeli planes bombing their air bases were Americans because they came at them from the northwest where the American fleet was sitting. Those Israelis were so smart that they pulled that trick so neatly that their dive bombers dropped bombs that failed to skip down the runway as all others before them did. yep, they put little rocks on those bombs so they were driven into the concrete and some had timers on them.

I did all my research about that War in 1968, one year later, and wrote a special term paper for a history institute. I don't think the progs had taken over things like what was printed back then.

http://conservativevideos.com/jew-h**ers-and-the-uss-liberty/

saltwind 78 Loc: Murrells Inlet, South Carolina

Oldroy I don't know what happened to make Israeli air power attack the Liberty. There are some possibilities: Israel felt it couldn't take the danger that t the Liberty was an Egyptian ship
2. Israel was planning to attack the Syrian Golan Heights, a delicate but neccessary military objective in which thousands of Israeli lives were at stake. Israel may have felt that a spy ship's messages could be intercepted and had to stop a spy ship in a war zone that could be a threat.
3. A mistake is probably the most likely. Israeli air planes may have had orders to attack any ship that wasn't Israeli in the water. In the heat of battle, they may have attacked without waiting for orders to the contrary.

payne1000

You may have actually got something right for a change, Saltwind.

Israel was the aggressor in attacking Syria in the Golan Heights.

But they didn't want any other country to know they attacked first.

Israel was also the aggressor in attacking Egypt first and they didn't want that known to the world.

James Ennes was an officer who survived Israel's attack on the Liberty.

He knows more about the attack than anyone who comments here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-ZJEhDfono

payne1000

For those who are interested in a more complete story of the attack on the Liberty: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFQrsdj7BLs

Pulfnick Loc: Knoxville, TN

The Israeli attack on the USS Liberty was indeed done by Israeli pilots knowingly and repeatedly attacking the USS Liberty which was flying the American f**g, in broad daylight. There never was any doubt the Israelis knew exactly what they were doing, first taking out the eight radio antennas so the Liberty could not summon help, and then piling on. No mistake at any level whatsoever in the prolonged attack. Israel has never apologized, nor did President Johnson push for an apology, as he should have demanded.

There is no Jew hatred involved. This was a deliberate, malicious attack on a US boat flying the American f**g in international waters.

saltwind 78 Loc: Murrells Inlet, South Carolina

Payne1000 I won't comment on your postings. I believe that they are untrue either by ignorance or design.

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

First I wish to thank you for this post. Unfortunately, the video would not load for me. But, I do know something about this incident.

8 June 1967 which was the 4th day of the 6-day war, Israeli high command received several reports that troops in El Arish was under heavy fire from the sea. The day before, Egyptian vessels had taken the same position where they bombarded El Arish. Right or wrong, the assumption was made that the Egyptians had commenced firing again. Now then, the US announced that they would have a naval force within hundreds of miles off the coast to monitor the fight, but this was a few days earlier. The USS Liberty, under dual control of the DIS, CIA and the 6th Fleet came within 14 miles off of the Sinai coast. The Israelis mistakenly thought the USS Liberty was the one shelling El Arish. War planes and torpedo boats attacked the Liberty; k*****g 34 members of the Liberty's crew and wounding 171. Ships from the Sixth Fleet were directed to launch four attack aircraft with fighter cover to defend the Liberty, but the planes were recalled by the White House.

Liberty was first reported to be cruising at 30 knots (it was later recalculated to be 28 knots). Under Israeli (and U.S.) naval doctrine at the time, a ship proceeding at that speed was presumed to be a warship. The sea was calm and the U.S. Navy Court of Inquiry found that the Liberty's f**g was very likely drooped and not discernible; moreover, members of the crew, including the Captain, Commander William McGonagle, testified that the f**g was knocked down.

According to Israeli Chief of Staff Yitzhak Rabin's memoirs, there were standing orders to attack any unidentified vessel near the shore. The day fighting began, Israel asked the US to remove any American ships from off the coast and to be notified of the precise location of U.S. vessels. The Sixth Fleet was moved because President Johnson feared being drawn into a confrontation with the Soviet Union. He also ordered that no aircraft be sent near Sinai.

A CIA report on the incident issued 13 June 1967, found that an overzealous pilot could mistake the Liberty for an Egyptian ship, the El Quseir. When the Liberty began shooting at the Israelis (which was a normal reaction) the Israelis responded with the torpedo attack, which k**led 28 of the sailors. In 1981, NSA noted that accounts by members of the Liberty crew and others did not have access to the relevant signal intelligence reports or the confidential explanation provided by Israel to the United States, which were used in the CIA investigation. The NSA concluded: “While these (Signal intelligence of Israeli communications) reports revealed some confusion on the part of the pilots concerning the nationality of the ship, they tended to rule out any thesis that the Israeli Navy and Air Force deliberately attacked a ship they knew to be American.”

JCS investigated the communications failure and noted that the Chief of Naval Operations expressed concern about the prudence of sending the Liberty so close to the area of hostilities and four messages were subsequently sent instructing the ship to move farther away from the area of hostilities. The JCS report said the messages were never received because of “a combination of (1) human error, (2) high volume of communications traffic, and (3) lack of appreciation of sense of urgency regarding the movement of the Liberty.” The report also included a copy of a flash cable sent immediately after the attack, which reported that Israel had “erroneously” attacked the Liberty, that IDF helicopters were in rescue operations, and that Israel had sent “abject apologies” and requested information on any other U.S. ships near the war zone.

Initially, the Israelis were terrified that they had attacked a Soviet ship and might have provoked the Soviets to join the fighting. Once the Israelis were sure what had happened, they reported the incident to the U.S. Embassy in Tel Aviv and offered to provide a helicopter for the Americans to fly out to the ship and any help they required to evacuate the injured and salvage the ship. The offer was accepted and a U.S. naval attaché was flown to the Liberty.

The Israelis were “obviously shocked” by the error they made in attacking the ship, according to the U.S. Ambassador in Tel Aviv. In fact, according to a secret report on the 1967 war, the immediate concern was that the Arabs might see the proximity of the Liberty to the conflict as evidence of U.S.-Israel collusion. A second secret report concluded, “While the attack showed a degree of impetuosity and recklessness, it was also clear that the presence of a U.S. naval vessel, unannounced, that close to belligerent shores at a time when we had made much of the fact that no U.S. military forces were moving near the area of hostilities was inviting disaster.”

A U.S. spy plane was sent to the area as soon as the NSA learned of the attack on the Liberty and recorded the conversations of two Israeli Air Force helicopter pilots, which took place between 2:30 and 3:37 p.m. on June 8. The orders radioed to the pilots by their supervisor at the Hatzor base instructing them to search for Egyptian survivors from the “Egyptian warship” that had just been bombed were also recorded by the NSA. “Pay attention. The ship is now identified as Egyptian,” the pilots were informed. Nine minutes later, Hatzor told the pilots the ship was believed to be an Egyptian cargo ship. At 3:07, the pilots were first told the ship might not be Egyptian and were instructed to search for survivors and inform the base immediately the nationality of the first person they rescued. It was not until 3:12 that one of the pilots reported that he saw an American f**g flying over the ship at which point he was instructed to verify if it was indeed a U.S. vessel.

In January 2004, the State Department held a conference on the Liberty incident and also released new documents, including CIA memos dated 13 and 21 June 1967, that say that Israel did not know it was striking an American vessel. The historian for the National Security Agency, David Hatch, said the available evidence “strongly suggested” Israel did not know it was attacking a U.S. ship. Two former U.S. officials, Ernest Castle, the United States Naval Attaché at the U.S. Embassy in Tel Aviv in June 1967, who received the first report of the attack from Israel, and John Hadden, then CIA Chief of Station in Tel Aviv, also agreed with the assessment that the attack on the Liberty was a mistake.

The new documents do not shed any light on the mystery of what the ship was doing in the area or why Israel was not informed about its presence.

Israel apologized for the tragedy immediately and offered on 9 June to compensate the victims. Israel ultimately paid nearly $13 million in humanitarian r********ns to the United States and to the families of the victims in amounts established by the U.S. State Department. The matter was officially closed between the two governments by an exchange of diplomatic notes on 17 December 1987. That does not imply that the Jews have forgotten or even forgiven themselves for what happened. It was horrible and remains a shameful example of how badly things can go during battle. This is one of the reasons that if or when Israel retaliates when Hamas attack, she broadcasts over the radio and pass out warnings to the Palestinians where the counter attack will be.

References:

A. Jay Cristol, The Liberty Incident. (Washington, D.C.: Brassey's Inc., 2002); Yitzhak Rabin, The Rabin Memoirs, (CA: University of California Press, 1996), pp. 108-109.
Attack on a SIGINT Collector, the U.S.S. Liberty.
Dan Kurzman, Soldier of Peace: The Life of Yitzhak Rabin, (NY: HarperCollins, 1998), pp. 224-227; Rabin, p. 108-109.
“United States Policy and Diplomacy in the Middle East Crisis, May 15-June 10, 1967,” declassified secret document, Lyndon Johnson P**********l Library, pp. 143-144.
L. Wainstain, “Some Aspects of the U.S. Involvement in the Middle East Crisis, May-June 1967,” Institute for Defense Analysis, (February 1968).
Washington Post, (November 6, 1991).
5Hirsh Goodman, “Messrs. Errors and No Facts,” Jerusalem Report (November 21, 1991); Arieh O' Sullivan, “Exclusive: Liberty attack tapes revelead,” Jerusalem Post, (June 3, 2004)

missinglink Loc: Tralfamadore

The liberty was an Intel vessel. It was told to back off by Israel. They did not. A now deceased friend of mine spent many a cession with me at a locale Vet Center and told it as it was.
He was on the crew. The Israel aircraft saw her colors. In between strafing runs, several crew members witnessed one of the attackers wave as he flew down her side. We ignored the warning. No snooping allowed. Fini

payne1000

Your ignorance is the factor here.

payne1000

____________________________________________________

In 2003 the Moorer Commission investigated the Liberty attack and came to these conclusions:

Findings of the Independent Commission of Inquiry into the Israeli Attack on USS Liberty, the Recall of Military Rescue Support Aircraft while the Ship was Under Attack, and the Subsequent Cover-up by the United States Government

Capitol Hill, Washington, D.C.

October 22, 2003

Admiral Thomas H. Moorer, United States Navy, (Ret.)
Former Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff

General Raymond G. Davis, United States Marine Corps, (MOH)*
Former Assistant Commandant of The Marine Corps

Rear Admiral Merlin Staring, United States Navy, (Ret.)
Former Judge Advocate General Of The Navy

Ambassador James Akins, (Ret.)
Former United States Ambassador to Saudi Arabia

We, the undersigned, having undertaken an independent investigation of Israel's attack on USS Liberty, including eyewitness testimony from surviving crewmembers, a review of naval and other official records, an examination of official statements by the Israeli and American governments, a study of the conclusions of all previous official inquiries, and a consideration of important new evidence and recent statements from individuals having direct knowledge of the attack or the cover up, hereby find the following: **

1. That on June 8, 1967, after eight hours of aerial surveillance, Israel launched a two-hour air and naval attack against USS Liberty, the world's most sophisticated intelligence ship, inflicting 34 dead and 173 wounded American servicemen (a casualty rate of seventy percent, in a crew of 294);

2. That the Israeli air attack lasted approximately 25 minutes, during which time unmarked Israeli aircraft dropped napalm canisters on USS Liberty's bridge, and fired 30mm cannons and rockets into our ship, causing 821 holes, more than 100 of which were rocket-size; survivors estimate 30 or more sorties were flown over the ship by a minimum of 12 attacking Israeli planes which were jamming all five American emergency radio channels;

3. That the torpedo boat attack involved not only the firing of torpedoes, but the machine-gunning of Liberty's firefighters and stretcher-bearers as they struggled to save their ship and crew; the Israeli torpedo boats later returned to machine-gun at close range three of the Liberty's life rafts that had been lowered into the water by survivors to rescue the most seriously wounded;

4. That there is compelling evidence that Israel's attack was a deliberate attempt to destroy an American ship and k**l her entire crew; evidence of such intent is supported by statements from Secretary of State Dean Rusk, Undersecretary of State George Ball, former CIA director Richard Helms, former NSA directors Lieutenant General William Odom, USA (Ret.), Admiral Bobby Ray Inman, USN (Ret.), and Marshal Carter; former NSA deputy directors Oliver Kirby and Major General John Morrison, USAF (Ret.); and former Ambassador Dwight Porter, U.S. Ambassador to Lebanon in 1967;

5. That in attacking USS Liberty, Israel committed acts of murder against American servicemen and an act of war against the United States;

6. That fearing conflict with Israel, the White House deliberately prevented the U.S. Navy from coming to the defense of USS Liberty by recalling Sixth Fleet military rescue support while the ship was under attack; evidence of the recall of rescue aircraft is supported by statements of Captain Joe Tully, Commanding Officer of the aircraft carrier USS Saratoga, and Rear Admiral Lawrence Geis, the Sixth Fleet carrier division commander, at the time of the attack; never before in American naval history has a rescue mission been cancelled when an American ship was under attack;

7. That although Liberty was saved from almost certain destruction through the heroic efforts of the ship's Captain, William L. McGonagle (MOH), and his brave crew, surviving crewmembers were later threatened with "court-martial, imprisonment or worse" if they exposed the t***h; and were abandoned by their own government;

8. That due to the influence of Israel's powerful supporters in the United States, the White House deliberately covered up the facts of this attack from the American people;

9. That due to continuing pressure by the pro-Israel lobby in the United States, this attack remains the only serious naval incident that has never been thoroughly investigated by Congress; to this day, no surviving crewmember has been permitted to officially and publicly testify about the attack;

10. That there has been an official cover-up without precedent in American naval history; the existence of such a cover-up is now supported by statements of Rear Admiral Merlin Staring, USN (Ret.), former Judge Advocate General of the Navy; and Captain Ward Boston, USN, (Ret.), the chief counsel to the Navy's 1967 Court of Inquiry of Liberty attack;

11. That the t***h about Israel's attack and subsequent White House cover-up continues to be officially concealed from the American people to the present day and is a national disgrace;

12. That a danger to our national security exists whenever our elected officials are willing to subordinate American interests to those of any foreign nation, and specifically are unwilling to challenge Israel's interests when they conflict with American interests; this policy, evidenced by the failure to defend USS Liberty and the subsequent official cover-up of the Israeli attack, endangers the safety of Americans and the security of the United States.

WHEREUPON, we, the undersigned, in order to fulfill our duty to the brave crew of USS Liberty and to all Americans who are asked to serve in our Armed Forces, hereby call upon the Department of the Navy, the Congress of the United States and the American people to immediately take the following actions:

FIRST: That a new Court of Inquiry be convened by the Department of the Navy, operating with Congressional oversight, to take public testimony from surviving crewmembers; and to thoroughly investigate the circumstances of the attack on the USS Liberty, with full cooperation from the National Security Agency, the Central Intelligence Agency and the military intelligence services, and to determine Israel's possible motive in launching said attack on a U.S. naval vessel;

SECOND: That every appropriate committee of the Congress of the United States investigate the actions of the White House and Defense Department that prevented the rescue of the USS Liberty, thereafter threatened her surviving officers and men if they exposed the t***h, and covered up the true circumstances of the attack from the American people; and

THIRD: That the eighth day of June of every year be proclaimed to be hereafter known as USS LIBERTY REMEMBRANCE DAY, in order to commemorate USS Liberty's heroic crew; and to educate the American people of the danger to our national security inherent in any passionate attachment of our elected officials for any foreign nation.

We, the undersigned, hereby affix our hands and seals, this 22nd day of October, 2003.

Thomas H. Moorer
Former Chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff

General of Marines Raymond G. Davis, USMC, MOH*>

Merlin Staring
Rear Admiral Merlin Staring, USN, Ret.,
Former Judge Advocate General of the Navy

James Akins
Ambassador James Akins, Ret.,
Former United States Ambassador to Saudi Arabia

*IN MEMORIAM: General of Marines Raymond G. Davis, one of America's most decorated military heroes (including the Congressional Medal of Honor), Vice Chairman of this panel and one of the principal members of this Independent Commission of Inquiry, passed away in Conyers, Georgia, on September 3, 2003.>

** [1] Captain Ward Boston, USN, JAGC, Ret, the chief Navy attorney for the 1967 U.S. Navy Court of Inquiry into the Israeli attack, has recently come forward to repudiate the Court's conclusion that the attack was "a case of mistaken identity". Captain Boston has revealed that all available evidence, in fact, pointed in exactly the opposite direction - that it was a deliberate attack on a clearly identified American ship. In his affidavit dated October 9, 2003, Captain Boston states, "Admiral Kidd and I believed with certainty that this attack, which k**led 34 American sailors and injured 173 others, was a deliberate effort to sink an American ship and murder its entire crew. I am certain that the Israeli pilots that undertook the attack, as well as their superiors who had ordered the attack, were aware that the ship was American." [See Exhibit attached]. Captain Boston stated that he has personal knowledge that Admiral Kidd found the attack to be "a case of mistaken identity" in 1967 only because he was under direct orders to do so by Defense Secretary McNamara and President Johnson.

[2] Lieutenant Commander David E. Lewis, USS Liberty's chief intelligence officer (who was severely wounded in the attack) has reported a conversation with Admiral Lawrence R. Geis, the Sixth Fleet carrier division commander, who visited Lewis after he had been medically evacuated by helicopter to the aircraft carrier USS America. According to Lewis, "He (Admiral Geis) said that he wanted somebody to know that we weren't forgotten" attempts HAD been made to come to our assistance. He said that he had launched a flight of aircraft to come to our assistance, and he had then called Washington. Secretary McNamara came on the line and ordered the recall of the aircraft, which he did. Concurrently he said that since he suspected that they were afraid that there might have been nuclear weapons on board, he reconfigured another flight of aircraft - strictly conventional weaponry - and re-launched it. After the second launch, he again called Washington to let them know what was going on. Again, Secretary McNamara ordered the aircraft recalled. Not understanding why, he requested confirmation of the order; and the next higher in command came on to confirm that "President Johnson...with the instructions that the aircraft were to be returned, that he would not have his allies embarrassed, he didn't care who was k**led or what was done to the ship "words" to that effect. With that, Admiral Geis swore me to secrecy for his lifetime. I had been silent up until I found out from Admiral Moorer that Admiral Geis had passed away" [transcript from NBC's Liberty Story, aired on national television 1/27/92]. This statement by Commander Lewis has recently been corroborated by Tony Hart, a Navy communications technician stationed at the U.S. Navy Base in Morocco in June, 1967. Mr. Hart connected the telephone conversation between Secretary McNamara and Admiral Geis and stayed on the line to keep them connected. Hart has been recorded as saying that he overheard Admiral Geis refusing McNamara's order to recall the Sixth Fleet rescue aircraft while the ship was under attack. Mr. Hart reported that McNamara responded, "we are not going to war over a bunch of dead sailors."

[3] New evidence of intercepted radio communications between attacking Israeli pilots and the Israeli War Room, recorded by a U.S. Navy EC-121 spy plane, in which the Israeli pilots report seeing Liberty's American f**g flying, has been collected by investigative author James Bamford - for 9 years the Washington Investigative Producer for ABC's World News Tonight with Peter Jennings (and author of Body of Secrets, which includes a chapter entitled Blood about the attack on USS Liberty). A similar radio message was intercepted by the EC-121 from the Israeli motor torpedo boats. This corroborates statements by surviving crewmembers, by Ambassador Dwight Porter, and by senior National Security Agency officials concerning NSA intercepts of Israeli pilot communications identifying the ship as American.

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

Hardly!!! H**e blinds. When one is filled with h**e, dating back thousands of years; as with Muslims, they are incapable of being anything other than ignorant. And you are a muslim, and you h**e the Jews.

payne1000

You're a Hasbarat and you h**e Muslims and Arabs.

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

Where did you find this wealth of information? A link please or at least a book reference?

Did the information happen to come from Joe Meadors who wrote “Conspiracy Theorists” or “USS Liberty T***hers”? And he being pro-Palestine would not influence his memory, would it.

BTW, I knew about him and actually exchanged some correspondence a decade or so ago. If you to want to reach out to him to share your views on the evil Jews, I am certain he is still alive and if not, one of his replacement Joes will respond to you. For everyone else, Joe Meadors claims to be, (and the name does appear on the duty rosters) the USS Liberty survivor. He also was a participant in the Freedom Flotilla I and II attempts to break the siege on Gaza. He can be contacted at joe@ussliberty.com And in our correspondence he admitted that he h**ed Jews before the USS Liberty and is a strong supporter of Palestine.

Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone

Muslim is a cult; a very dangerous cult that is inconsistent with human rights and with nature. Their barbarism can be traced back thousands of years. They should not be permitted to get a toe hold in the US because they are without doubt the polar opposite of what America stands for, they are destroyers of liberty, and they are ruthless in their dealings with Christians. Or perhaps you are fine with their history and treatment of any nation they conquered.

saltwind 78 Loc: Murrells Inlet, South Carolina

A unidentified spy ship in a hot war zone is no place to be.