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Too Many People Are Still Stuck in Welfare. Here’s How to Lift Them Out
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May 14, 2015 11:25:14   #
dennisimoto Loc: Washington State (West)
 
JMHO wrote:
I never was on welfare, or needed a handout. But, I was born poor, and remember going to the government warehouse to get our 5lb block of cheese, powdered milk, sack of beans and flour each month...yeah, I remember that. I started delivering newspapers when I was 9 years old. But, I decided to do something about my poverty. I made a career out of the military (enlisted to officer), obtained three college degrees, and even started and sold my own company. The Program that ran under Clinton worked and we need to add a work requirement to receive any government aid...jmho. In short, this country has lost it's work ethic, and this would be one small way of getting it back.
I never was on welfare, or needed a handout. But,... (show quote)


"BINGO!" My son is a small contractor in Buckley, WA and he can not find people who are willing to work. They can't show up on time. They can't be reliable. They can't be working because they're on their cell phones. They steal the tools and sell them for drug money. Etc. He tries to use some of the guys coming back from Iraq and Afghanistan so he can teach them a trade and build a company but these poor guys need so much more than that and they aren't getting it from the VA. Some of them work out for awhile. The guys who graduated High School and didn't go on to anything else are completely useless. They aren't even teachable. The biggest thing missing in America today IS a work ethic.

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May 14, 2015 11:41:55   #
JMHO Loc: Utah
 
dennisimoto wrote:
"BINGO!" My son is a small contractor in Buckley, WA and he can not find people who are willing to work. They can't show up on time. They can't be reliable. They can't be working because they're on their cell phones. They steal the tools and sell them for drug money. Etc. He tries to use some of the guys coming back from Iraq and Afghanistan so he can teach them a trade and build a company but these poor guys need so much more than that and they aren't getting it from the VA. Some of them work out for awhile. The guys who graduated High School and didn't go on to anything else are completely useless. They aren't even teachable. The biggest thing missing in America today IS a work ethic.
"BINGO!" My son is a small contractor in... (show quote)


Haven't heard the name Buckley WA in some time. I grew up in WA, primarily in the Tri-City and Yakima areas, but all my relatives live west of the Cascades...except my Mother who lives in Kennewick. I left when I was 17 and joined the Navy. I prefer more conservative states to live in now.

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May 14, 2015 12:51:20   #
PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.
 
JMHO wrote:
Haven't heard the name Buckley WA in some time. I grew up in WA, primarily in the Tri-City and Yakima areas, but all my relatives live west of the Cascades...except my Mother who lives in Kennewick. I left when I was 17 and joined the Navy. I prefer more conservative states to live in now.


It seems Conservative states are declining while welfare states are increasing.

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May 14, 2015 12:57:33   #
Dummy Boy Loc: Michigan
 
PoppaGringo wrote:
It seems Conservative states are declining while welfare states are increasing.


The most welfare is handed out in the south...all right to work states....hmmmmm..

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May 14, 2015 13:22:57   #
dennisimoto Loc: Washington State (West)
 
Dummy Boy wrote:
The most welfare is handed out in the south...all right to work states....hmmmmm..


"Hmmmm," indeed. That is not something I would have expected. Got a link to some stats on that? Just curious.

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May 14, 2015 13:44:22   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
dennisimoto wrote:
"Hmmmm," indeed. That is not something I would have expected. Got a link to some stats on that? Just curious.
You were right to be skeptical


http://www.nilrr.org/2015/02/07/welfare-dependency-far-lower-right-work-states/

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Welfare Dependency Far Lower in Right to Work States
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n February 7, 2015, in News Clips, by Stan Greer

The Administration for Children and Families (ACF), a division of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, recently released data reporting the average number of residents in each of the 50 states who over the course of the 2014 calendar year were dependent on cash payments from the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF) program to get by.

As they consistently have done in the past, the latest ACF data for the 50 states show that residents of states lacking Right to Work protections for employees are far more likely to rely on money from the TANF than are residents of states where the Right to Work is protected by law. (See the first link below to review the data for yourself.)

To be precise, an average of 12.5 per 1000 residents of forced-unionism states were TANF recipients in 2014, compared to an average of just 5.0 per 1000 residents of Right to Work states. Twelve of the 15 states with the highest TANF dependency ratios lack Right to Work laws, while nine of the 12 states with the smallest share of residents receiving TANF payments are Right to Work states.

TANF dependency is far lower on average in Right to Work states for two basic reasons. First, poverty as gauged by the federal government’s supplemental poverty measure (SPM), which takes regional cost-of-living differences into account, is significantly lower in Right to Work states than in forced-unionism states, once differences in the age, racial, and educational-attainment composition of each state are taken into consideration. (See the second link below for more information.)

Second, members of households in Right to Work states that technically fit the SPM definition of “poor” are clearly far more apt to believe that they can improve their circumstances without taking cash from the federal government than are their counterparts in the rest of the country. Consequently, residents of Right to Work states who legally qualify for TANF support very frequently opt not to request it.
Welfare Dependency Far Lower in Right to Work Stat... (show quote)

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May 14, 2015 13:56:54   #
Dummy Boy Loc: Michigan
 
dennisimoto wrote:
"Hmmmm," indeed. That is not something I would have expected. Got a link to some stats on that? Just curious.


I'll have to look: I had a map from "The Economist"

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May 14, 2015 14:12:41   #
Dummy Boy Loc: Michigan
 
dennisimoto wrote:
"Hmmmm," indeed. That is not something I would have expected. Got a link to some stats on that? Just curious.


Here you go:



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May 14, 2015 15:42:27   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
Dummy Boy wrote:
Here you go:
You said welfare, not poverty.

Many poor people are too proud to take handouts.

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May 14, 2015 15:46:40   #
Dummy Boy Loc: Michigan
 
Super Dave wrote:
You said welfare, not poverty.

Many poor people are too proud to take handouts.


If one is impoverished, it is highly correctable for one to collect welfare. Right to work, ha! You have the right to be poor.

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May 15, 2015 00:36:03   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
JMHO wrote:
The Democrat struggle? What have the Democrats done to provide job opportunities and a decent standard of living? And, don't tell me it's raising the minimum wage because in reality that puts more people out of work. They (democrats) had total control of the WH and Legislative Branches during the first two years of Obama's reign, and how many jobs bills and economic improvement bills did they initiate and pass? They did pass a so-called $1T stimulus package, that was suppose to provide thousands of shovel ready jobs, and repair the infrastructure, but in fact turned out to be nothing more than a payback to unions and democrat cronies...very few jobs were created. The Democrat Party (the new C*******t Party) pays a lot of lip service to job creation and a decent living, but in reality their polices do just the opposite. Their primary goal is to create as many people as they can dependent upon the government, thus they own their v**e...it is just that simple. The Democrats have absolutely NO DESIRE to get people off of welfare, SNAP, or any other government handout program...wake up.
The Democrat struggle? What have the Democrats do... (show quote)
I respectfully dissagree with you and ask you does the Republican party intend on getting people off Welfare Unemployment etc. by simply ending the programs or do they have a viable working plan that works.?

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May 15, 2015 00:54:39   #
dennisimoto Loc: Washington State (West)
 
Dummy Boy wrote:
Here you go:


Thanks but now I am even more curious. "Right to work," vs. "worker friendly?" As I understand it RTW means you can be hired anywhere in the state and you don't have to belong to a union. "WF" means you do have to belong to a union and/or have union dues withheld from your paycheck whether you belong to the union or not. Is that "friendly?" How?

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May 15, 2015 06:34:51   #
jelun
 
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
There is nothing wrong with programs designed to lift people out of poverty. There has to be jobs that pay well to do that. Where are the jobs? The people are there to fill the jobs but where are the jobs? The job creators got their tax breaks and want more but what have they created? Plentiful work is a necessity to bring the millions out of poverty.



Much too often, in the past, training programs lagged behind what was needed by business so that people graduating from programs that would supposedly prepare people to work.
Some action has been taken to avoid that recently. That model may not have been altered enough.
That was one of the charges I heard levelled at that private for profit college that was just closed. 15 year old technology is the training that they were providing... sheesh.

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May 15, 2015 07:37:05   #
Workinman Loc: Bayou Pigeon
 
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
I respectfully dissagree with you and ask you does the Republican party intend on getting people off Welfare Unemployment etc. by simply ending the programs or do they have a viable working plan that works.?


Something has to be done Tom, welfare is out of control...

This Is What Happened When Maine Forced Welfare Recipients To Work For Their Benefits
US Herald.com ^ | 4APR2015 | Staff Writer

Posted on 4/8/2015, 8:30:14 PM by Jack Hydrazine

Maine finally took a bold step forward in welfare reform and it’s paying huge dividends.

Last year Maine passed a measure that would require recipients of the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, otherwise known as SNAP, to complete a certain number of work, volunteer, or job-training hours before being eligible for assistance.

Main Governor Paul LaPage passed the measure last year and the resulting drop in food-stamp enrollees has been dramatic.

At the close of 2014 approximately 12,000 individuals were enrolled in the state assistance program. Keep in mind that these individuals are adults who aren’t disabled and who don’t have children at home and who are claiming the food-stamp benefits because of a lack of financial resources.

After forcing these individuals to either work part-time for twenty hours each week, enroll in a vocational program, or volunteer for a minimum of twenty-four hours per month, the numbers showed a significant drop from 12,000 enrollees to just over 2,500.

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May 15, 2015 07:53:19   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
Workinman wrote:
Something has to be done Tom, welfare is out of control...

This Is What Happened When Maine Forced Welfare Recipients To Work For Their Benefits
US Herald.com ^ | 4APR2015 | Staff Writer

Posted on 4/8/2015, 8:30:14 PM by Jack Hydrazine

Maine finally took a bold step forward in welfare reform and it’s paying huge dividends.

Last year Maine passed a measure that would require recipients of the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program, otherwise known as SNAP, to complete a certain number of work, volunteer, or job-training hours before being eligible for assistance.

Main Governor Paul LaPage passed the measure last year and the resulting drop in food-stamp enrollees has been dramatic.

At the close of 2014 approximately 12,000 individuals were enrolled in the state assistance program. Keep in mind that these individuals are adults who aren’t disabled and who don’t have children at home and who are claiming the food-stamp benefits because of a lack of financial resources.

After forcing these individuals to either work part-time for twenty hours each week, enroll in a vocational program, or volunteer for a minimum of twenty-four hours per month, the numbers showed a significant drop from 12,000 enrollees to just over 2,500.
Something has to be done Tom, welfare is out of co... (show quote)
perhaps they found that working 29 hours a week for food was too steep of a price so they found work for money and bought theor food. It would be interesting to know if local food banks have now been slammed and if so how are they managing? Myself I have always worked but then I know what to do. So many don't know anything that is of use to anybody.

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