mwdegutis Loc: Illinois

So based on what you quoted of my post, you are calling the Holy Spirt a liar?

But YET again, I’m going to ask you three questions that you've NEVER answered. Anyone who is Holy Spirit indwelt can easily answer them…

Are you a follower of Jesus Christ?
Are you saved?
Can you state that Jesus Christ came to earth in the flesh?

I humbly await your reply.

Theo Loc: Within 1000 miles of Tampa, Florida

I am his younger brother. He is "Firstborn among many brethren..." The Holy spirit told me this at [Rom 8:29]



I confess with my Heart and Soul, and by my mouth that Jesus is my Lord, and believe in my heart that God raised him from the dead, therefore, shall be saved. The Holy spirit told me this in [Rom 10:9]



Most certainly. My question to YOU is, do YOU understand what it is telling you?

Are you aware, for example, that there are two different verbs involved in Heb 2:14 describing the saints partaking of flesh, and Jesus partaking of the same? Do you understand the significance of the difference?

Do you understand the difference in the significance of two different verb-form found in I John 4:2 and II John 7? Do you understand the message from the Holy spirit?

Would you care to share it with us?

Or would you rather I share it with you?

mwdegutis Loc: Illinois

The Ruah taught me Romans 8:29 means:
Because those whom Elohim knew beforehand, Elohim also ordained beforehand to be conformed to the likeness of His Son, that Yahushua become the first-born among many brothers.

Remember that the Ruah taught me John 1:1-5 to mean:
In the beginning was the Son, and the Son was with Elohim, and the Son was Elohim.
He was in the beginning with Elohim.
All came to be through the Son and without the Son not even one came to be that came to be.
In Him was Yahushua, and Yahushua was the Light of men.
And Yahushua’s light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome Him.

I am very glad for you that you confess with your Heart and Soul and by your mouth that Jesus is your Lord, and that you believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, and therefore, you are saved.

Likewise, I openly declare that Yahushua is my Master and that I believe that YHWH raised Him from the dead. And because of this I am saved. Because Romans 10:8-9 proclaims, “…But what does it say? The Word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” – that is the Word of belief which we are proclaiming: That if you confess with your mouth the Master Yahushua and believe in your heart that YHWH has raised Him from the dead, you shall be saved.”

The Ruah taught me that Hebrews 2:14 means that since the man is flesh and blood, the Son, through Yahushua, similarly became flesh and blood so that by means of His death He destroyed him having the power of death, that is, the devil.

The Ruah taught me that 1 John 4:2 means that this you know of the Ruah of Elohim: Every spirit that confesses Yahushua the Messiah has come in the flesh is of Elohim.

The Ruah taught me that 2 John 1:7 means that those who do not confess that Yahushua the Messiah has come in the flesh is leading men astray and is anti-messiah.

I am Ruah haQodesh indwelt. He lives within me so I don’t need anyone to teach me what is true. The Ruah teaches me everything I need to know, and what He teaches is true—it is not a lie. Matthew 14:26 states: “But the Helper, the Ruah haQodesh, whom the Father shall send in my name, He shall teach you all, and remind you of all that I said to you.”

Theo Loc: Within 1000 miles of Tampa, Florida

As a fervent Christian, I have to say, I admire your stance, and your indebtedness to that Spirit of Holiness. And I hasten to admit, your knowledge is admirable.

I suggest, only suggest mind you, that it is that Spirit Holy, which has sent me to this board to share something wonderful with all who wish to share in it.

Heb 2:14, tells us

Heb-2:14-A "Forasmuch then as the children [kekoinwnhken] {have partaken} of flesh and blood..."

2841 koinwnew koinoneo {koy-no-neh'-o} [vira--3s]{perfect active indicative verb}
Meaning: 1) to come into communion or fellowship with, to become a sharer, be made a partner 2) to enter into fellowship, join one's self to an associate, make one's self a sharer or partner

"Perfect Active" tells us an action was done once and was completed. The "children partook of flesh" simply stated, is a reference to one being born, to partake of flesh by living life.

Heb-2:14-B "...he also himself likewise [metesxen] took part of the same"

3348 metexw metecho {met-ekh'-o} [viaa--3s][aorist active indicative verb]
Meaning: 1) to be or become partaker 2) to partake

The Aorist Active verb applied to Jesus tells us an event took place, with no knowledge as to it's being completed, nor whether it was repeated, or happened more than once.

"The days of his flesh..." is a reference to something that occurred during the life of Jesus who lived and died "in his own flesh."
Heb 5:7 "Who in the days of his flesh, when he had [prosphero] offered....and was heard..."

Heb 5:9 And [teleiwtheis] being made perfect,

teleiwtheis = aorist passive form of participle teleiow {tel-i-o'-o}
Meaning: 1) to make perfect, complete 1a) to carry through completely, to accomplish, finish, bring to an end

The Aorist Passive is a reference to the fact someone else took action resulting in finishing Jesus' time as a living person "in his own flesh."

"In the days of his flesh..." contrasted with
"...until Christ [morfwqh] be formed in you"

"My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you.[Gal 4:19]

[morfwqh = subjective aorist passive form of verb morfow = to form

It is a reference to Christ living beyond his own flesh, and in the flesh of others, which began after his ascension to the right hand of God.

"Be formed" is subjunctive passive, which references a future possibility; passive which indicates something not done by the subject, but is done to the subject by another.

You do not actively form Christ in you, but Christ is formed in you by virtue of your yielding to be conformed to the image of His dear son. God then forms Christ in you.

2 John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ [erxomenon] is come in flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
[NOTE: There is no article before "Flesh" - Jesus Christ is formed in the saints, in their flesh.]
[erxomenon = present middle form of participle erxomai = appear, make an appearance; go; return]

The present middle tells us it is happening in 96 a.d., and is neither active nor passive, but is a fulfillment of prophesy. (The ratio of middle verbs between the Old Testament and the new is approximately 8 to one.) It is a reference to what God does with Messiah and the saints.

1 John 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ [elhluqota] is come in flesh is of God:
[elhluqota = perfect active acc masc sing form of participle erxomai = appear, make an appearance; go; return]
The perfect active agrees with Heb 2:14-A in which Christ lived in flesh and completed to perfection in death. It is a reference to the fact Jesus lived first in his own flesh upon the earth. Some were claiming Jesus never lived and died.John says otherwise.

For an example of how the present middle verb works, look at Gen 17:4-5
4 As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou
[1][esh] shalt be a father of many nations. 5 Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations [2][teqeika,] have I made thee.

[1]esh| = indicative future middle form of verb eimi, (will) be, (will) exist; (will) happen;
[2]teqeika, = indicative perfect active form of verb tiqhmi = made (someone something), appointed.
God fulfilled the prophesy of verse 4, with the promise of verse 5.

Paul explains it thus -
Romans 4:17 (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were.

The significance of this repeated event in historical Christianity cannot be over emphasized, and must be understood by every believing Christian, and lived to the fullest.

The Christian must so live his life, so that they are transformed to the image of God's son, so that Christ is formed in them, in their flesh, And others, upon seeing the change in the life of one whom they know, sees not the one they knew, but glory as of a son of God, an only begotten of the Father.This is the strength, the superior power of the Christian.

If you do not have it, if you cannot display it in your life, stop the sinning ways, confess those sins, repent, pray for forgiveness, and conform to the image of His son, and HE will do the rest. What a power the children will then display in the midst of a perverse and crooked generation.

dennisimoto Loc: Washington State (West)

Thank you all. I believe in God. Period. All this sin, retribution, being "saved" etc. is human construction designed to enslave minds. On P. 132 of a book I like to read it says, "We think God wants us to be happy, joyous and free." And there is a period at the end of the sentence. Not after I hit the Lotto, get the Porshe or the cute redhead in the office down the hallway says "yes" to having dinner with me but right now, every day, all day, no strings or conditions attached. And I am, H, J, & F. So I'm doing what God wants for me. How can I be any happier?

Theo Loc: Within 1000 miles of Tampa, Florida

WoW! Talk about a "Human ?Construction!"

iFrank Loc: San Antonio

[quote=Theo]John 1:4 In it was life; and the life was the light of men.

TYNDALE BIBLE (1525)
In it was lyfe; and the lyfe was the lyght of men.

GREAT BIBLE (1539)
In it was lyfe, and the lyfe was the lyghte of men,

GENEVA BIBLE (1560)
In it was lif; and the lif was the light of men.

BISHOP'S BIBLE (1568)
In it was life; and the life was the light of men.

RHEIMS BIBLE (1582)
In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

KING JAMES BIBLE (1611)
In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

But a long time ago, we were taught:
"[b]Thy logos (Word) is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path."[Psalm. 119:105]

And Peter understood exactly that way:
"[u]We have also a more sure logos (word) of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:"[II. Pet 1:19]

I have more authority for saying the logos (word) is the light than any scholar has for saying the logos (word) is Jesus. If being the light of the world makes Jesus the logos [John. 9:5], then we are the logos, for we are the light of the world.[Mat. 5:14-16]

John 9:5 As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.

Mat 5:14-16
Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid. 15 Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house. 16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

What say ye?[/quote]

Yashua means Gods savior, Yahaveh is the name of God in the Torah. Hebrew is the first language that God used and after at the Tower of "Babel" He added many languages to confuse them. He stated that he would utter secrets from the foundations of the world. I have a KJV study Bible and the Strongs Concordence to reference the original meaning. The Masorah has a built in grid to prevent straying from the original meaning of the words which is locked in. The definition of the word Masorah is from Gods mind to yours.

Theo Loc: Within 1000 miles of Tampa, Florida

No way to know that. Abraham was the first man named "Hebrew" which meant "He that crossed the river."

Since He was from UR of the Chaldees the chances are good, God spoke to Abraham in the language of the Chaldees.

What He spoke to Adam we have no way of knowing. And what He spoke to Noah likewise is speculation, because the tower of Babel presented the first recorded issue raised over the "language" problem.



God wrote many things about languages. He presented a prophecy to Israel concerning how He was going to punish them, and told them he would speak to them with stammering lips and another tongue, referencing the Septuagint Old Testament, which would be given to the Israelites for safe keeping until the time of the Gentiles.

The keyword for that would be "Oracles." He gave Isaiah the prophecy, and gave Israel the revelation, and gave the Gentiles the "Oracles" that were preserved for their use.

He also said that the scriptures were to lead the Hebrews to Christ, speaking of the Hebrew scriptures.