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May 9, 2015 15:39:10   #
KHH1
 
BY LORRAINE ALI AND ERYN BROWN
Baby boomers, take a deep breath.
Hip-hop, and not the Beatles, triggered the most important evolution in American pop music over the last half-century, according to a new study by researchers in Britain.
That’s based on a digital analysis of chord patterns, tonal shifts and other audio features (lyrics weren’t considered) of more than 17,000 songs on the U.S. pop charts between 1960 and 2010.
The explosion of hip-hop and rap music in 1991 had far more auditory influence on the popular songs that followed than the British Invasion of 1964 or the synth-pop surge of 1983 — the other two years that saw big shifts in musical styles, according to researchers at Queen Mary University, Imperial College London and the online music service Last.fm.
“Hip-hop is the single greatest revolution in the U.S. pop charts by far,” said Armand M. Leroi, 50, a professor of evolutionary developmental biology at Imperial College London and coauthor of the study.
“That surprised me,” he added. “Being a victim of boomer ideology, I would have said it was 1964.”
The finding challenges mainstream perceptions that the 1960s’ British Invasion marked pop’s most significant development of the last half-century.
The influence of the Beatles, the Rolling Stones, the Who, the Kinks and other British bands of the ’60s is taken as a matter of faith among the generation that came of age with those groups.
By comparison, the influence of rap and hip-hop is frequently minimized in larger discussions about styles and genres that revolutionized pop music.
Born out of black urban America, rap and hip-hop are often referred to as a pop-culture game changer, but they are less frequently credited with revamping the very structure and sound of popular music as we know it.
But how do you scientifically quantify the very subjective sounds of Jimi Hendrix, the Bee Gees, Madonna, Run DMC, Guns N’ Roses, Jay Z, Lady Gaga and Justin Timberlake/Bieber into cold, hard data?
Leroi and study co-authors Matthias Mauch, Robert MacCallum and Mark Levy analyzed 30-second snippets pulled from 17,094 songs, representing 86% of all the singles that charted on the Billboard Hot 100 during the 50-year scope of the study.
They tossed traditional genre classifications aside and, instead, looked at differences in chords, rhythms and tonal properties, then assigned each song to one of 13 groups based on the patterns they found.
Then, like evolutionary biologists who chart the differences among species in nature, they looked at diversity in pop music: When did it shift most rapidly? And what are the most critical shifts?
Among other findings, they determined that what’s long been considered a seminal moment in pop music — the U.S. release of the Beatles’ “I Want to Hold Your Hand” on Dec. 26, 1963
— may get too much credit for starting a revolution.
Their analysis showed that musical styles were already changing before that release, suggesting that the Beatles and other British Invasion bands simply capitalized on a movement already underway.
“Evolution is a process — a process gives rise to a creature, which gives rise to [another] creature and so on,” Leroi said. “The same happens when someone writes a song. They hear one and build on it.”
But not everyone is sold on the use of mathematical analysis to unravel the mysteries of music.
“It’s problematic that scientists are trying to assign some sort of quantitative means of assessing that importance [of pop music],” said Joanna Demers, associate professor and chair of musicology at USC’s Thornton School of Music.
“Of all of the musical styles occurring in popular music around the world, hip-hop is quite important, but really it’s dub reggae that’s come back in everything we hear,” she said, referring to a genre of electronic music that grew out of 1960s’ Jamaican reggae. “I believe the software they’re using wouldn’t even register that.”
Another key finding in the study, published this week by the journal Royal Society Open Science, has to do with what many people perceive as the declining quality of pop music.
Though music fans often lament that the deep and meaningful jams of their youth have given way to the Miley-blaspheme of today, the team’s data suggest that they’re letting emotion cloud the real story.
Despite the advent of Britney, Imagine D**gons and Flo Rida, empirical evidence suggests that music is no more shallow or vapid than it once was.
The study found that diversity in pop music has persisted and flourished over time — except for a stretch around 1986 when synthesizers and drum machines invaded our better senses and “everything sounded like Duran Duran,” Leroi said.
Critics argue that many of the revelations in the study, in fact, echo what we already know about the trajectory of pop through anecdotal evidence.
There’s plenty of wiggle room in the British study given that it does not take lyrical content, social factors, cultural markers or the wonderfully bizarre performance qualities of artists into account.
Or put another way, can music really be understood through a lab project?
The British researchers say, yes, and that “musical lore and aesthetic judgments” pale next to “rigorous tests of clear hypothesis based on quantitative data and statistics.”
“You can say, ‘This is really when it happened,’ ” Leroi said. “It’s not just, ‘Things were really cool at CBGB’s or on the Sunset Strip back then.’ ”
USC’s Demers disagrees, pointing out that researchers in the humanities would be laughed at if they were to insist on bringing a nonscientific viewpoint to a subject such as evolution.
“It’s an unnecessarily contentious thing to say, that humanists don’t have anything important to say because we don’t deal with mathematically acquired data,” she said.
“Imagine [if we] wrote a paper about evolutionary theories that said, ‘Scientists don’t give us what we really want, which is more touchy-feely stuff.’ ” lorraine.ali@latimes.com   eryn.brown@latimes.com  

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May 10, 2015 08:52:35   #
DennisBAnderson
 
Anyone who can call Hip - Hop music is brain dead and r****t

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May 10, 2015 12:27:48   #
Alicia Loc: NYC
 
DennisBAnderson wrote:
Anyone who can call Hip - Hop music is brain dead and r****t

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Spoken like an true white-haired retro conservative.

Thanks KHH1. It was enlightening.

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May 10, 2015 17:38:48   #
KHH1
 
DennisBAnderson wrote:
Anyone who can call Hip - Hop music is brain dead and r****t


Hip hop tells stories..from inner city violence, to love, to creating a greater future for the children and may other positive aspects..the 80's contained many positive rap songs.the closed-minded would never realize that..that is why I listen to all types of music and associate with all types of people..it is called not living trapped inside an ideological box............but many did not want to hear that...they preferred music outlining pathological behavior for the most part............

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May 10, 2015 17:45:17   #
KHH1
 
Alicia wrote:
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Spoken like an true white-haired retro conservative.

Thanks KHH1. It was enlightening.


You're welcome Alicia...I thought it was interesting myself...as so far as the "white hairs"...they are going to be themselves...no one expects anything different from them anymore......

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May 10, 2015 21:04:07   #
Common Sense Rebel
 
KHH1 wrote:
Hip hop tells stories..from inner city violence, to love, to creating a greater future for the children and may other positive aspects..the 80's contained many positive rap songs.the closed-minded would never realize that..that is why I listen to all types of music and associate with all types of people..it is called not living trapped inside an ideological box............but many did not want to hear that...they preferred music outlining pathological behavior for the most part............


I do have to agree with this, but I feel credit has to be given to those who laid the ground work. the pioneers of music in the blues and jazz.

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May 11, 2015 07:26:59   #
KHH1
 
Common Sense Rebel wrote:
I do have to agree with this, but I feel credit has to be given to those who laid the ground work. the pioneers of music in the blues and jazz.


blues and jazz......more of the same....a generational element of music...........

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May 11, 2015 16:01:05   #
Pap Pap Loc: Etna, PA
 
I was a musician and vocalist for 50 years and I never even considered Hip Hop to be actual music but just rhythms to dance to with dirty words.

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May 11, 2015 21:46:47   #
KHH1
 
Pap Pap wrote:
I was a musician and vocalist for 50 years and I never even considered Hip Hop to be actual music but just rhythms to dance to with dirty words.


you couldn't have been a musician and thought like that......you would have explored all forms of rap.....good and bad....I played trombone in marching, jazz and symphonic band and played in summer orchestra's.....as a result, I listen to everything from Styx, Boston, ELO ...all the way to NWA and everything in between.....but I hear you...because most country music I associate with bigot klan types...most ...not all............

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May 11, 2015 22:39:01   #
alabuck Loc: Tennessee
 
KHH1 wrote:
you couldn't have been a musician and thought like that......you would have explored all forms of rap.....good and bad....I played trombone in marching, jazz and symphonic band and played in summer orchestra's.....as a result, I listen to everything from Styx, Boston, ELO ...all the way to NWA and everything in between.....but I hear you...because most country music I associate with bigot klan types...most ...not all............

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Each genre of music has its "roots" in the subset of the society from which it comes. It represents the "present day happenings" that it echoes. Those from different societal subsets have always found a way to express themselves musically; be it classical, Rock, hymns, folk music, and now, Hip-Hop.

Even the terms change. When I was younger (before animal skins were used as a drum-head covering and animal femurs were replaced with wooden sticks), Hip-Hop was acpaella harmonizing or "Barbershop music."

Personally, I don't care much for the modern Hip-Hop music. But, to each his own. My grand girls LOVE it. But, I'm sure, before they turn 30, there'll be another style of music to come along. And, I'm pretty sure that they'll tell their kids that, "that music is from the devil," just like my parents told me that "Rock-n-Roll was from the devil." Of course, they listened to Tommy Dorsey (sp?) and other "Big Bands." To them, THAT was music.

One thing my dad told me that I've always remembered, "Music isn't anything but organized noise." That definition applies in EVERY type of music.

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May 11, 2015 23:14:05   #
AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State
 
KHH1 wrote:
you couldn't have been a musician and thought like that......you would have explored all forms of rap.....good and bad....I played trombone in marching, jazz and symphonic band and played in summer orchestra's.....as a result, I listen to everything from Styx, Boston, ELO ...all the way to NWA and everything in between.....but I hear you...because most country music I associate with bigot klan types...most ...not all............


:-) :lol: :lol: :lol: Why does your statement concerning country music not surprise me. I tell you this country song is just so "bigot klan" it is probably frightening you to hades you POAC!


http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9pquBSZXIU

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May 11, 2015 23:30:39   #
KHH1
 
AuntiE wrote:
:-) :lol: :lol: :lol: Why does your statement concerning country music not surprise me. I tell you this country song is just so "bigot klan" it is probably frightening you to hades you POAC!


http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9pquBSZXIU


learn to read dammitt...I said SOME...are you that gotdamned slow where you only absorb half of what you read? Glenn Campbell-Galveston...one of my favorites...where I was born..very nostalgic......so shut the hell up and learn to interpret adequately.........

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May 11, 2015 23:36:32   #
AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State
 
KHH1 wrote:
learn to read dammitt...I said SOME...are you that gotdamned slow where you only absorb half of what you read? Glenn Campbell-Galveston...one of my favorites...where I was born..very nostalgic......so shut the hell up and learn to interpret adequately.........


I am in a cranky, snarky mood. Since I tutor reading, grammar, etc, (as you well know), I can read. Glenn Campbell is not on my list; however, try John Denver. It is really ..really old, but it certainly can be applicable to everyday.


http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vJzcpUKKxzM


PS: You truly do not want to take me on. It is that time of year. Every bloody tutoree I have has at least two-three papers the numb nuts waited to finish. :hunf: :hunf: :hunf: :hunf:

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May 11, 2015 23:44:53   #
KHH1
 
AuntiE wrote:
I am in a cranky, snarky mood. Since I tutor reading, grammar, etc, (as you well know), I can read. Glenn Campbell is not on my list; however, try John Denver. It is really ..really old, but it certainly can be applicable to everyday.


http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vJzcpUKKxzM


PS: You truly do not want to take me on. It is that time of year. Every bloody tutoree I have has at least two-three papers the numb nuts waited to finish. :hunf: :hunf: :hunf: :hunf:


We all have attitudes for various reasons...try being a black man who did everything right and deal with the menatlity of "so what?., you are still a n-gger" in a r****t azz country.......you don't have a clue what a bad attitude can be.....so if I did not cause it, I am not going to absorb it...you're the one that chimed in on my initial comment about not liking some country music...that will not be my burden to bear........

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May 12, 2015 00:02:30   #
AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State
 
KHH1 wrote:
We all have attitudes for various reasons...try being a black man who did everything right and deal with the menatlity of "so what?., you are still a n-gger" in a r****t azz country.......you don't have a clue what a bad attitude can be.....so if I did not cause it, I am not going to absorb it...you're the one that chimed in on my initial comment about not liking some country music...that will not be my burden to bear........


Oh get over it. I was actually trying to be civil and explain my unusually uncivil attitude.

I can get enough attitude from a bunch of irresponsible whiny tutorees without your getting on a high horse attitude.

You know what I have learned about you. You look for conflict. I have never been impolite, rude, denigrating, insulting, etc. on any forum you have posted. You; however, have now been insulting and denigrating with a lot of attitude toward me.

Be well and on my ignore list.

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