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Is This the Ted Cruz People Want?
Apr 24, 2015 13:05:31   #
PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco
 
Is this the kind of lead folks actually want? He made all kinds of noise about Lynch and then couldn't be present for the actual v**e? Because he had to go raise money?

Give me a break. If I were arch conservative I'd want someone who would actually be there to LEAD BY EXAMPLE.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/23/ted-cruz-loretta-lynch-missed-v**e_n_7129486.html?ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000013

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Apr 24, 2015 13:23:45   #
bahmer
 
PaulPisces wrote:
Is this the kind of lead folks actually want? He made all kinds of noise about Lynch and then couldn't be present for the actual v**e? Because he had to go raise money?

Give me a break. If I were arch conservative I'd want someone who would actually be there to LEAD BY EXAMPLE.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/23/ted-cruz-loretta-lynch-missed-v**e_n_7129486.html?ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000013


I would imagine that Ted Cruz knows his colleagues and who are RINOS and are going to defect as well. I know that Mark Kirk from IL is good buddies with Dick Durbin from IL God only knows why but I knew Mark would v**e with Dick. He needs money to run for the Presidency and at present that is more important than casting a v**e in a losing battle. We have to many RINOS in both the house and the senate and therein lies the problem.

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Apr 24, 2015 13:30:39   #
Super Dave Loc: Realville, USA
 
PaulPisces wrote:
Is this the kind of lead folks actually want? He made all kinds of noise about Lynch and then couldn't be present for the actual v**e? Because he had to go raise money?

Give me a break. If I were arch conservative I'd want someone who would actually be there to LEAD BY EXAMPLE.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/23/ted-cruz-loretta-lynch-missed-v**e_n_7129486.html?ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000013
The confirmation was a done deal as soon as the Democrats quit helping human trackers.

Lynch was too female and too black for some Republicans to oppose.

Cruz's v**e would have changed nothing.

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Apr 24, 2015 13:45:30   #
missinglink Loc: Tralfamadore
 
I am certain his decision was politically based. That's his cross to bear if some consider it a cross. Posturing is done by them all. So, what's your point ?

I am not asking you to validate your president's over use of such practice's. You know, all the exclusionary crap he has pulled.
Just want a valid point as to why is this an issue.
Kind of knit-picky isn't it ?



PaulPisces wrote:
Is this the kind of lead folks actually want? He made all kinds of noise about Lynch and then couldn't be present for the actual v**e? Because he had to go raise money?

Give me a break. If I were arch conservative I'd want someone who would actually be there to LEAD BY EXAMPLE.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/23/ted-cruz-loretta-lynch-missed-v**e_n_7129486.html?ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000013

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Apr 24, 2015 14:15:54   #
PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco
 
missinglink wrote:
I am certain his decision was politically based. That's his cross to bear if some consider it a cross. Posturing is done by them all. So, what's your point ?

I am not asking you to validate your president's over use of such practice's. You know, all the exclusionary crap he has pulled.
Just want a valid point as to why is this an issue.
Kind of knit-picky isn't it ?


Missinglink - I already don't think much of Cruz based on his far-right political stance, so perhaps it was unfair/mean-spirited of me to call out this latest illustration of his lack of steadfastness. I thought the far right was all about the symbolism of actions (i.e. - selling a same-sex wedding cake is symbolic approval of said same-sex wedding) so I was surprised to find one of the most vociferous opponents of Loretta Lynch didn't close the chapter with consistent action.

Instead we got the same old political expediency. It was a done deal so no need to take a stance; instead just go raise more money.

And BTW, he seems perfectly happy to court gay hotel owners for $$, despite his firm opposition to marriage e******y. Shows where his loyalties lie...to money. And actually, if any of the fool gay hoteliers are willing to give him $$ then I think he should probably take it. All i***ts cut from the same piece of cloth called selfishness.

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Apr 25, 2015 07:51:44   #
berry dune
 
HE HAS LEAD BY EXAMPLE MANY TIMES

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Apr 25, 2015 10:31:01   #
missinglink Loc: Tralfamadore
 
I do not care for Cruz either but at this point I would have to take him over anyone from the left.
His courting gay business people and gay marriage rights are issues apart from one another for most straight people. ( That's a whole other issue ).

I find your viewpoint of the gay hotelier as being narrow minded. People in business are constantly task with decision making that either adds or detracts from their success. They do not have the luxury of having a stiff back such as yourself. Their obligation to their creation involves the well being of their employees as well as their business community. Tough decisions are constantly being made and hardly ever satisfy everyone. There is no doubt that the republican party is more supportive for business so why would a gay hotelier not side with them. He or she have obligations to many people under their wings. I would imagine that the person in this case knew he couldn't back Cruz 100%. Who could back any politician 100% ? No one unless they are the village dolt.

I understand your not liking Cruz. There's enough public knowledge out there to justify such an opinion. I do not understand your throwing the gay hotelier under the same bus unless you know him/her personally. That's an awfully stiff back Paul.


PaulPisces wrote:
Missinglink - I already don't think much of Cruz based on his far-right political stance, so perhaps it was unfair/mean-spirited of me to call out this latest illustration of his lack of steadfastness. I thought the far right was all about the symbolism of actions (i.e. - selling a same-sex wedding cake is symbolic approval of said same-sex wedding) so I was surprised to find one of the most vociferous opponents of Loretta Lynch didn't close the chapter with consistent action.

Instead we got the same old political expediency. It was a done deal so no need to take a stance; instead just go raise more money.

And BTW, he seems perfectly happy to court gay hotel owners for $$, despite his firm opposition to marriage e******y. Shows where his loyalties lie...to money. And actually, if any of the fool gay hoteliers are willing to give him $$ then I think he should probably take it. All i***ts cut from the same piece of cloth called selfishness.
Missinglink - I already don't think much of Cruz b... (show quote)

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Apr 25, 2015 16:20:42   #
PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco
 
missinglink wrote:
I do not care for Cruz either but at this point I would have to take him over anyone from the left.
His courting gay business people and gay marriage rights are issues apart from one another for most straight people. ( That's a whole other issue ).

I find your viewpoint of the gay hotelier as being narrow minded. People in business are constantly task with decision making that either adds or detracts from their success. They do not have the luxury of having a stiff back such as yourself. Their obligation to their creation involves the well being of their employees as well as their business community. Tough decisions are constantly being made and hardly ever satisfy everyone. There is no doubt that the republican party is more supportive for business so why would a gay hotelier not side with them. He or she have obligations to many people under their wings. I would imagine that the person in this case knew he couldn't back Cruz 100%. Who could back any politician 100% ? No one unless they are the village dolt.

I understand your not liking Cruz. There's enough public knowledge out there to justify such an opinion. I do not understand your throwing the gay hotelier under the same bus unless you know him/her personally. That's an awfully stiff back Paul.
I do not care for Cruz either but at this point I ... (show quote)




Missing - You make some very good points, some of which I can agree with.

But in this particular case, based of course on the little we know, both Cruz and the gay hotelier fall under the same judgement from me...growing their coffers appears more important than people. Of course I don't know anyone in this scenario, so there could be nuances about which I'm unaware, but I am calling this one as I see it.

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Apr 25, 2015 17:56:48   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
PaulPisces wrote:
Is this the kind of lead folks actually want? He made all kinds of noise about Lynch and then couldn't be present for the actual v**e? Because he had to go raise money?

Give me a break. If I were arch conservative I'd want someone who would actually be there to LEAD BY EXAMPLE.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/23/ted-cruz-loretta-lynch-missed-v**e_n_7129486.html?ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000013


If that's the worst thing he ever does, we'll all be lucky! I haven't made up my mind about Cruz...not even a little. I do know this, though. If he wants to become president he's got about a million little battles that will present themselves to him, and he won't be able to fight them all...no one could.

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