Alicia Loc: NYC

The Pope dies and goes to meet St. Pater. St. Peter asks the Pope what would he like better than anything else.

The Pope asks to see the original bible. He is presented with it and a while later St. Peter comes in.

The Pope is quite upset.

St. Peter asks him what the matter is.

The Pope answers, "Oh, the word is "celebrate'!"

chloe815

I hope some pope go to heaven. But the what some are acting like pray to mary that to Jesus. Mary herself has to be.saved. a priest can not pray and regive your sins. Only you can pray and ask Gods forgiveness for you own sinnes. And except the free gift of Jesus through his pressure blood a give he has given to everyone. If only the would receive it. Just to ask him into their live he.is.faithful and just to forgive with a repentant heart. God Bless you all in the matchless name of Jesus

chloe815

I hope some pope go to heaven. But the way some are acting like pray to mary that to Jesus. Mary herself has to be.saved. a priest can not pray and regive your sins. Only you can pray and ask Gods forgiveness for you own sinnes. And except the free gift of Jesus through his pressure blood a give he has given to everyone. If only the would receive it. Just to ask him into their live he.is.faithful and just to forgive with a repentant heart. God Bless you all in the matchless name of Jesus

lindajoy Loc: right here with you....

:lol: :mrgreen:

pafret Loc: Northeast

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Chloe;

If I understand you correctly, you are rejecting the forgiveness of sin by men and you believe that no one should pray for Mary's intercession with her Son Jesus. The following biblical references establish the basis for the power of the priesthood to forgive sins. As you can see, this power was expressly given to the apostles, by Jesus.

I agree with you that salvation is through Jesus, by virtue of his sacrifice for us. Catholics recognize the special relationship of a mother and child; Jesus human nature makes Him, like all other men, willing to do anything to please his mother. The reasons for Mary's special relationship are below the bible verse and sum it up better than I can.

John 20:23

Jesus Appears to the Disciples
…22 And when He had said this, He breathed on them and said to them, "Receive the Holy Spirit. 23"If you forgive the sins of any, their sins have been forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they have been retained."

Cross References
Matthew 16:19
I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; wh**ever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and wh**ever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven."

Matthew 18:18
"Truly I tell you, wh**ever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and wh**ever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.

John 20:22
And with that he breathed on them and said, "Receive the Holy Spirit.


What the Catholic Church Teaches About Mary
https://www.catholiccompany.com/content/What-the-Catholic-Church-Teaches-About-Mary.cfm

When it comes to the Catholic Church’s teaching on Mary, many of our non-Catholic brothers and sisters find the position Catholics hold regarding Mary difficult to accept. Namely, the Immaculate Conception, Mary as “Mother of God”, and the Assumption of Mary into Heaven and her C****ation as Queen. However, this difficulty mainly stems from a lack of understanding.

The Catholic Church firmly believes that Mary was immaculately conceived. Since God rejects all sin, and the purpose of Christ’s incarnation was to release man from the grasp of Satan, it was not suitable that our redeemer be personally associated with sin. This means that unlike the original sin that we as humans inherit at the moment of conception, Mary was exempt from this sin, and in like manner, was not subject to sin throughout her life. In Luke 1:28, The Angel Gabriel addresses Mary “Hail, full of grace!” The fullness of grace would not have been hers, had she any stain of sin. In the Apostolic Constitution by Pope Pius IX on the Immaculate Conception, he iterates this teaching:

“Above all creatures did God so loved her that truly in her was the Father well pleased with singular delight. Therefore, far above all the angels and all the saints so wondrously did God endow her with the abundance of all heavenly gifts poured from the treasury of his divinity that this mother, ever absolutely free of all stain of sin, all fair and perfect, would possess that fullness of holy innocence and sanctity than which, under God, one cannot even imagine anything greater, and which, outside of God, no mind can succeed in comprehending fully.”

The Catholic Church commemorates Mary’s Immaculate Conception on December 8th of each year.

As we read the gospels, we see unmistakably that Mary is the Mother of Jesus. In the Angel Gabriel’s greeting to Mary, he confirms that she will bear the Son of God. In the profession of faith we recite at each Sunday Mass, we proclaim that Jesus is the second person of the Trinity, that He is “true God from true God”. Therefore, if Jesus is God, we must gather that Mary, the one who gave birth to, and nurtured Jesus, is the mother of God who became Man – Jesus. There is no other human to whom Jesus was as closely and intimately connected, as His Mother, Mary.

The Catholic Church relies heavily on sacred tradition, as passed down from the apostles, and manifested in the teaching authority of the Church. The assumption of Mary is one doctrine of the Church that has emerged from apostolic tradition, rather than directly from scripture. It is not officially declared whether or not Mary underwent human death. However, what the Church does officially pronounce is that after the course of her earthly life, Mary was assumed body and soul into heaven by the power of God. The Church’s belief that Mary’s soul was perfectly sinless gives us confidence that she went directly to God. At the same time, her body was not subject to corruption, as our human bodies typically are. There is biblical history of one who is so close to God, being assumed body and soul into heaven. In the Old Testament, we see that Elijah was assumed into heaven in a whirlwind. (2 Kings 2:11). Similarly we read in Hebrews 11:5, “By faith Enoch was taken up so that he would not see death; and he was not found because God took him up; for he obtained the witness that before his being taken up he was pleasing to God.” Mary was even closer to God than these two biblical figures, and therefore this special privilege of bodily assumption was granted to her. The feast of Mary’s Assumption is celebrated on August 15th of each year.

Mary’s body has been glorified in heaven and she has been given an important role near her Son as Queen of Heaven and Earth. Mary is entitled “queen” because she is the Mother of Jesus, who is truly a King of kings. With the queenship Mary has been given by her Son, Mary offers abiding mercy and compassion, interceding for all of God’s children. In the book of Revelation 12:1, Mary’s status as queen is reflected, “and a great portent appeared in heaven, a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars.” The feast of Mary’s queenship is celebrated on August 22nd of each year.

Mary has been given an extraordinary role in the history of salvation. In response to her special status, Catholics give Mary unequaled admiration and respect, greater than any other saint. This is a tradition often misunderstood by non-Catholics. The honor we give to Mary is not to be compared to the worship and praise we give only to Almighty God. However, Mary must not be disregarded, as she offers many graces, and mercy to all who call upon her intercession.

WARRIOR

BAFRET: Thank you for your post, I am more enlightened about the Catholic faith. What do I believe? I believe that Mary was arguable the most important woman in all Christianity. Although I do not believe Mary to be an intercessor. Jesus Christ alone is the mediator between mankind and God the Father. There is no other. I do not believe that Mary was immaculately conceived, there is no scriptural basis for this belief. I also believe that mankind is not born with the original sin of Adam, babies are born sinless. For we are to become as little children to enter into the Kingdom of God. Mary was a choice human being, chosen by God, to conceive Jesus, being human she also had other children by Joseph. To assume some thing or to be guided by tradition is not really a basis for fact.

AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State

Alicia, I am a firm believer in First Amendment rights. Having said that, how on earth what is absolutely one of the best jokes I have seen, turned into a religious philosophy discussion is beyond ridiculous. Thank you for a wonderful laugh. :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Alicia Loc: NYC

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You beat me to it. Thanks. I was wondering what ever happened to the original thread too.

badbobby Loc: texas

being immature
I had to read that twice
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

badbobby Loc: texas

damn maybe Im not as immature as Alicia thinks
am I the only one who got the joke??? :roll: :roll: :roll:

AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State

It would seem only you and I understood the point of the forum, which was amusement. :roll: :lol:

badbobby Loc: texas

does that make us special Auntie??
or maybe a wee bit immature?
:lol: :lol:

Alicia Loc: NYC

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I am not denigrating your maturity but, in order to understand the joke, one has to be able to spell. :roll: :D :D :D

pafret Loc: Northeast

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My apologies, the joke was quite funny. I got carried away by what appeared to me to be simple ignorance and I responded. Wrong forum, my bad.

Alicia Loc: NYC

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OK. Thanks for your comment.