MrEd Loc: Georgia

What exactly is a natural born citizen and were do you find the TRUE answer? Well, you can start by reading this article and then look at what Vattel had to say about it. Since his book was used though out the writing of our Constitution and since the founding fathers had no real need to define the term, there must be a reason why they did not.

Our founding fathers did not define the term simply because everyone knew what it meant then and no one seems to know now and they all have their answer to that question. The problem is, it is what it meant to the founding fathers that is important, not what you think it means.

Read this article and you will see exactly what it means to be a Natural Born Citizen. By the way, citizenship follows the father, not the mother.

I know I am going to catch hell for this, but I really don't care. I'm not defining the terms, our Constitution does and so does Vattel.

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"Vattel on “natural born citizens”, “inhabitants”, and “naturalized citizens”:"

"From our beginning, we were subjects of the British Crown. With the War for Independence, we became citizens.1 [READ this footnote!] We needed new concepts to fit our new status as citizens. Vattel provided these new republican concepts of “citizenship”. The gist of what Vattel says in Law of Nations, Book I, Ch. XIX, at §§ 212-217, is this:

§ 212: Natural-born citizens are those born in the country of parents who are citizens – it is necessary that they be born of a father who is a citizen. If a person is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country.

§ 213: Inhabitants, as distinguished from citizens, are foreigners who are permitted to stay in the country. They are subject to the laws of the country while they reside in it. But they do not participate in all the rights of citizens – they enjoy only the advantages which the law or custom gives them. Their children follow the condition of their fathers – they too are inhabitants.

§ 214: A country may grant to a foreigner the quality of citizen – this is naturalization. In some countries, the sovereign cannot grant to a foreigner all the rights of citizens, such as that of holding public office – this is a regulation of the fundamental law. And in England, merely being born in the country naturalizes the children of a foreigner.

§§ 215, 216 & 217: Children born of citizens in a foreign country, at sea, or while overseas in the service of their country, are “citizens”. By the law of nature alone, children follow the condition of their fathers; the place of birth produces no change in this particular.

Do you see? The republican concept of “natural born citizenship” is radically different from the feudal notion of “natural born subjectship.” Under feudalism, merely being born in the domains of the King made one – by birth – a “natural born subject”. But in Vattel’s Model and Our Constitutional Republic, Citizens are “natural born” only if they are born of Citizens."




" So! Original Intent? Or Wh**ever the People with the Power want it to Mean?"

"I have proved the original intent of “natural born Citizen” at Art. II, §1, cl. 5 – it is one who is born of parents who are citizens. We may not lawfully change that definition except by Amendment to the Constitution. Section 1 of the 14th Amendment does not change the definition because the 14th Amendment defines “citizens” of the United States (which includes naturalized citizens) and not “natural born Citizen”.

Some Democrats no longer pretend that the glib, handsome & black Obama (who, following the condition of his putative father, was born a subject of the British Crown) is “a natural born Citizen”. They now assert that the Democrat Party has the right to nominate whoever they choose to run for president, including someone who is not qualified for the office. [See pages 3 & 4 of the linked Court Order.]

The school-girlish Establishment Republicans who swoon over the glib, handsome & Hispanic Marco Rubio (who is not a “natural born Citizen”, but only a naturalized citizen) will ultimately destroy our sovereignity. Once we accept that our President need not be a “natural born Citizen”, we will have made a major step towards submission to global government. Because then, anybody can be President. PH."


Entire artical can be found here;


http://publiushuldah.wordpress.com/category/natural-born-citizen/

Peaver Bogart Loc: Montana

You are absolutely right, I think Ted Cruz would make a good President, but I don't believe he's qualified under the true meaning of the Constitution.

And Obuzzard bait is definitely NOT qualified.

DamnYANKEE

NOR is OBOGUS , LEGAL . Hes a FRAUD ILLEGAL TREASONOUS KENYA MUZZY

lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas

A natural born citizen was NOT born by C section - simple.

karpenter Loc: Headin' Fer Da Hills !!

What's A Child Born In One Country
Is Adopted To Another Country
...Has It's Citizenship Changed To Said Adoptive Country
And Eventually Winds-Up In The Original Nation ??

lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas

Confused?

dennisimoto Loc: Washington State (West)

No, Obama.

righty Loc: Tenn

"§ 212: Natural-born citizens are those born in the country of parents who are citizens – it is necessary that they be born of a father who is a citizen. If a person is born there of a foreigner, it will be only the place of his birth, and not his country."

this was changed in I believe 1934 to add or mother as citizen

karpenter Loc: Headin' Fer Da Hills !!

A Special Session Of Congress Was Called To Determine McCain's Eligibility
As He Was Born In A Foreign Country
He Was Determined 'Natural Born' As He Was Born On American Holdings In The Canal Zone

Does 'Natural Born' Mean On American Soil ??