Devil's Advocate
Jul 12, 2013 15:54:05 #
I know there will be some here that want to rush in with the answer as to which side fronts for Satan but that is not the point.
Playing "devil's advocate" is testing your beliefs against habitual bias and prejudice or knee-jerk emotional responses. We all have our filters and old strongholds from our past. The question to ask is do you want to find the t***h or satisfy your beliefs?
In playing the devil's advocate, one looks to defeat the stance he or she has taken. It is extremely useful in becoming a more informed and productive member of the community, as well as helpful in better understanding oneself. Not only that, we may find that we are on the wrong side of some issue simply because of a lack of earnest inquiry. Pro-choice? Argue for pro-life, using your mental capacity to its fullest.
Embracing any label--Right, Left, Conservative, Liberal, etc--is basically admitting at the very least a reluctance for the unvarnished t***h, or for seeking what is real no matter how it may hurt or how bad it may make us look. The immediate acceptance of any statement as true abandons critical thinking and opens wide the doors to oppression, d******eness, and conflict.
Having said that, I feel fairly certain too many responses will be that one or the other side is the one who doesn't think, yet that accomplishes no resolutions just fear and h**e. As outraged as you may be over something, or no matter how entrenched, take a moment to pause, breathe, and force yourself to look deeply, not just closely. There is always more to see and what is revealed may delightfully surprise you...or really be painful.
Is this a partisan issue?
Playing "devil's advocate" is testing your beliefs against habitual bias and prejudice or knee-jerk emotional responses. We all have our filters and old strongholds from our past. The question to ask is do you want to find the t***h or satisfy your beliefs?
In playing the devil's advocate, one looks to defeat the stance he or she has taken. It is extremely useful in becoming a more informed and productive member of the community, as well as helpful in better understanding oneself. Not only that, we may find that we are on the wrong side of some issue simply because of a lack of earnest inquiry. Pro-choice? Argue for pro-life, using your mental capacity to its fullest.
Embracing any label--Right, Left, Conservative, Liberal, etc--is basically admitting at the very least a reluctance for the unvarnished t***h, or for seeking what is real no matter how it may hurt or how bad it may make us look. The immediate acceptance of any statement as true abandons critical thinking and opens wide the doors to oppression, d******eness, and conflict.
Having said that, I feel fairly certain too many responses will be that one or the other side is the one who doesn't think, yet that accomplishes no resolutions just fear and h**e. As outraged as you may be over something, or no matter how entrenched, take a moment to pause, breathe, and force yourself to look deeply, not just closely. There is always more to see and what is revealed may delightfully surprise you...or really be painful.
Is this a partisan issue?
Jul 12, 2013 16:27:41 #
Kaitty
Loc: Florida
It may well be a partisan issue. It would be nice to find out by asking the questions and tabulating results.
Jul 12, 2013 17:49:43 #
Probably in many cases. However, to blindly accept all aspects and ideas of any one entity would probably constitute "partisanship". That said, I think that many probably practice "playing devil's advocate" without consciously thinking about it and arrive at an opinion that ends up being thought of as "partisan".
Jul 12, 2013 21:00:04 #
snowbear37 wrote:
Probably in many cases. However, to blindly accept all aspects and ideas of any one entity would probably constitute "partisanship". That said, I think that many probably practice "playing devil's advocate" without consciously thinking about it and arrive at an opinion that ends up being thought of as "partisan".
Yes. A real problem, snowbear. It may appear lockstep when it is an earnest and deliberate conclusion from open-minded investigation.
Jul 12, 2013 21:57:59 #
UnionSparky
Loc: left coast
snowbear37 wrote:
Probably in many cases. However, to blindly accept all aspects and ideas of any one entity would probably constitute "partisanship". That said, I think that many probably practice "playing devil's advocate" without consciously thinking about it and arrive at an opinion that ends up being thought of as "partisan".
Disagreeing with, whether it's, democratic or republican ideas shouldn't send people scattering to each sides of a room. For example, Pres. Reagan and HouseSpeaker O'neil
practiced the now lost art of diplomacy or politics. How is it that Reagan faced a democratic congress yet still accomplished so much? If one side becomes unwilling to bend, it forces the other side to be stubborn.
In my humble opinion, between Sen. Reid, Nancy Pelosi and Pres. Obama's intolerance of republican views in the beginning is why we are the point we are now. Had they been willing to accept some compromise then. when they had complete power, I think the republicans would compromise now.
Jul 12, 2013 22:03:28 #
UnionSparky wrote:
Disagreeing with, whether it's, democratic or repu... (show quote)
Fair opinion, unionsparky, that is how you presently see things. My point is to stretch, go beyond both your comfort zone and lifelong held beliefs. Hey, you may not only come to the same conclusions but even feel stronger about them. Good.
Jul 13, 2013 00:57:29 #
UnionSparky
Loc: left coast
rumitoid wrote:
Fair opinion, unionsparky, that is how you presently see things. My point is to stretch, go beyond both your comfort zone and lifelong held beliefs. Hey, you may not only come to the same conclusions but even feel stronger about them. Good.
This isn't my first rodeo but try this on for size. I was in total agreement with DOMA. The reason for this was simply that while having no problem with the gay lifestyle, I disagree having special laws because of it.
Pushing us to call their "legal unions" marriage, after the argument was always hetros were always forcing their will on them. Not for them to have the same rights but a different term than marriage. Back at you go outside the envelope rumitoid
Jul 13, 2013 01:05:44 #
UnionSparky wrote:
This isn't my first rodeo but try this on for size. I was in total agreement with DOMA. The reason for this was simply that while having no problem with the gay lifestyle, I disagree having special laws because of it.
Pushing us to call their "legal unions" marriage, after the argument was always hetros were always forcing their will on them. Not for them to have the same rights but a different term than marriage. Back at you go outside the envelope rumitoid
Pushing us to call their "legal unions" marriage, after the argument was always hetros were always forcing their will on them. Not for them to have the same rights but a different term than marriage. Back at you go outside the envelope rumitoid
Tough challenge, UnionSparky. I am of two distinct minds about this issue. I strongly favor the idea of e******y, give them all that comes with marriage between hetero-sexual couples, But I am from another era that will never feel quite comfortable with that view.
Jul 13, 2013 02:19:06 #
UnionSparky
Loc: left coast
rumitoid wrote:
Tough challenge, UnionSparky. I am of two distinct minds about this issue. I strongly favor the idea of e******y, give them all that comes with marriage between hetero-sexual couples, But I am from another era that will never feel quite comfortable with that view.
Not too much different from my perspective. I've seen you can get into some antagonistic postings. Not knowing the past I'm not taking any sides, just an observation. If I respond in the future, I will keep my comments on the subject without mudslinging and ask that the same respect be shown return. Nothing better than having strong difference of opinion, without hating the person you disagree with.
Jul 13, 2013 02:56:13 #
UnionSparky wrote:
Not too much different from my perspective. I've seen you can get into some antagonistic postings. Not knowing the past I'm not taking any sides, just an observation. If I respond in the future, I will keep my comments on the subject without mudslinging and ask that the same respect be shown return. Nothing better than having strong difference of opinion, without hating the person you disagree with.
Love your perspective, UnionSparky, and I will try to live up to it.
Jul 13, 2013 11:43:29 #
I love this idea and would love to undertake such a task.
Playing "devil's advocate" is testing your beliefs against habitual bias and prejudice or knee-jerk emotional responses. We all have our filters and old strongholds from our past. The question to ask is do you want to find the t***h or satisfy your beliefs?
In playing the devil's advocate, one looks to defeat the stance he or she has taken. It is extremely useful in becoming a more informed and productive member of the community, as well as helpful in better understanding oneself. Not only that, we may find that we are on the wrong side of some issue simply because of a lack of earnest inquiry. Pro-choice? Argue for pro-life, using your mental capacity to its fullest.
Embracing any label--Right, Left, Conservative, Liberal, etc--is basically admitting at the very least a reluctance for the unvarnished t***h, or for seeking what is real no matter how it may hurt or how bad it may make us look. The immediate acceptance of any statement as true abandons critical thinking and opens wide the doors to oppression, d******eness, and conflict.
Having said that, I feel fairly certain too many responses will be that one or the other side is the one who doesn't think, yet that accomplishes no resolutions just fear and h**e. As outraged as you may be over something, or no matter how entrenched, take a moment to pause, breathe, and force yourself to look deeply, not just closely. There is always more to see and what is revealed may delightfully surprise you...or really be painful.
Is this a partisan issue?[/quote]
Playing "devil's advocate" is testing your beliefs against habitual bias and prejudice or knee-jerk emotional responses. We all have our filters and old strongholds from our past. The question to ask is do you want to find the t***h or satisfy your beliefs?
In playing the devil's advocate, one looks to defeat the stance he or she has taken. It is extremely useful in becoming a more informed and productive member of the community, as well as helpful in better understanding oneself. Not only that, we may find that we are on the wrong side of some issue simply because of a lack of earnest inquiry. Pro-choice? Argue for pro-life, using your mental capacity to its fullest.
Embracing any label--Right, Left, Conservative, Liberal, etc--is basically admitting at the very least a reluctance for the unvarnished t***h, or for seeking what is real no matter how it may hurt or how bad it may make us look. The immediate acceptance of any statement as true abandons critical thinking and opens wide the doors to oppression, d******eness, and conflict.
Having said that, I feel fairly certain too many responses will be that one or the other side is the one who doesn't think, yet that accomplishes no resolutions just fear and h**e. As outraged as you may be over something, or no matter how entrenched, take a moment to pause, breathe, and force yourself to look deeply, not just closely. There is always more to see and what is revealed may delightfully surprise you...or really be painful.
Is this a partisan issue?[/quote]
Jul 13, 2013 17:42:54 #
If you have doubts about your stand on any thing, the best place to go is not to self, or anyone else but God. Always check yourself out against the Word of God.
Jul 13, 2013 20:28:29 #
alex
Loc: michigan now imperial beach californa
rumitoid wrote:
Tough challenge, UnionSparky. I am of two distinct minds about this issue. I strongly favor the idea of e******y, give them all that comes with marriage between hetero-sexual couples, But I am from another era that will never feel quite comfortable with that view.
In addition to which it is not a federal concern it is up to the states the same for education,farming,insurance,well there is a list of about fifty things the federal government has stuck their nose where it doesn't belong
Jul 13, 2013 20:40:00 #
alex wrote:
In addition to which it is not a federal concern it is up to the states the same for education,farming,insurance,well there is a list of about fifty things the federal government has stuck their nose where it doesn't belong
Alex, there you go subtly bringing that "outdated" document into the commentary.
Jul 13, 2013 21:38:58 #
alex
Loc: michigan now imperial beach californa
AuntiE wrote:
Alex, there you go subtly bringing that "outdated" document into the commentary.
yeah, I know i'm kinda dumb that way
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