BOHICA

If someone attacked a woman and caused her to abort her baby, how would you feel about it? What if it was your baby? If a fetus isn't a person, why do most women get emotional about losing one?

PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.

I am anxious to hear the answers to this.

BOHICA

Me too. Here's another question. Why do so many women suffer from sever depression after aborting a fetus?

lpnmajor Loc: Arkansas

The difference is called "choice". My wife considers k*****g deer a shameful act, but her Son is an avid deer h****r. Does she disown her son because he engages in acts she disapproves of? No, she acknowledges his right to choose his own path. He, in turn, does not push his "k**ls" in her face or make a big deal out of his choices.

True, k*****g deer is a far cry from a******ns, but the "psychology of difference" is the same. If one does not agree that a******ns are right , then one should never have an a******n. If one has no problem with a******ns, then one may get one, if desired, with a clear conscience. Neither group should attempt to compel others to conform to their own beliefs. Trying to make a religious argument in a legal arena, makes no more sense than making a legal argument - at Church.

It is ironic, that those who insist on making law around religious precepts - are the very same people who militantly reject any notion of the law intruding into their Churches. Being "two faced" is frowned upon by nearly every religion. One cannot have one's cake and eat it too. So the bottom line is, religious precepts belong in Church ( and in individual lives - of they so choose ) and legal precepts belong in Government and the courts. Any attempts to meld the two for personal reasons, is un-American and should be avoided. One's PERSONAL beliefs should only be applied to ONE'S SELF - never to anyone else - unless they ALSO believe the same. In which case, there's no controversy.

BOHICA

Even if God did not exist, it is a medical fact that life begins at conception. Therefore, it is murder.

mcmlx

Well, BOHICA and Poppa, it is the t***h. After 37 years, I still grieve. I accepted JESUS into my life almost twenty years ago, and I know that my crime of murder is forgiven by GOD, I still have trouble forgiving myself.
Planned Parenthood lied and I believed them.

BOHICA

Your child is with God, and you will see it again. Believe it.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

That's a tough one, mc, but if you have accepted Jesus, you are forgiven. What greater forgiveness can you ask. Don't be too hard on yourself, and may God bless you. And your baby.

jelun

Most women who get pregnant want the baby that would result from a full term pregnancy, I would guess that would be reason for any emotional response. That, as well as the level of control that is removed by a spontaneous a******n when one is pregnant.

It really isn't my place to feel any particular way about the loss of a fetus due to a physical attack. I would follow the lead of the woman assuming that she lived through the attack.

Now may I ask you a question?
Do you know anyone from the age of 12 and up who has become emotional over the loss of a pet?
Someone on this site asked the other day how I woud feel if an undocumented person stole my TV presumably because that person believes my TV being stolen would be upsetting.
Would you be upset of your TV were taken?
Would you be upset of someone drove into your vehicle and made it inoperable?

jelun

Do you have some figures to support that assertion?
Why do so many women suffer from severe depression after giving birth?

http://www.webmd.com/depression/postpartum-depression/news/20080410/postpartum-depression-how-common

1 in 10 to 1 in 5... the joys of motherhood.

BOHICA

It's easy enough to look up. Why don't you do that?

jelun

Because I don't believe it.
Why not answer those other questions?
How many people do you know who get all upset about the death of a pet... the ol' Rainbow Bridge scenario?

So why not show me those figures that are higher than 20% of women depressed about avoiding that birth?

BOHICA

I already posted them in another thread. It's titled a******n and suicide: The grim statistics.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Post A******n Stress Syndrome (PASS) is very much the same as PTSD. The number of women suffering PASS is reported at around 20%, but the number may be much higher due to many women refusing to seek counseling. Guilt and low self-esteem are the primary reasons for this.

jelun

Post A******n Stress Syndrome (PASS) is the name that has been given to the psychological aftereffects of a******n, based on Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD). It is important to note that this is not a term that has been accepted by the American Psychiatric Association or the American Psychological Association. In fact, pro-choice advocates accuse their counterparts of making up PASS in order to further their political agendas.
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/somatic-psychology/201010/post-a******n-stress-syndrome-pass-does-it-exist

I guess I know why there was no supporting data provided.