Gunny89 Loc: Southport, NC

Could you elaborate on that? I want to hear the reasons that the Tea Party is the biggest threat to this country. Just curious. Does that mean that they are more dangerous than ISIS?

Gunny89 Loc: Southport, NC

:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

Comment Loc: California

Yes, or a Jessie Jackoff or an Al Sharps**t.

Oldsalt

Yes, Vietnam , Desert Storm, operation Continued Hope, Operation Continued Democracy, and four tours in Operation Iraqi Freedom. So screw you revrand.

Rufus Loc: Deep South

Oldsalt. I don't know if anyone has told you. If you want to reply directly to someone, hit " Quote reply ", then type your response, then hit send. This captures their post and yours. It just helps keep up with who is saying what. Thank you again for your service. You are a true American patriot.

Gunny89 Loc: Southport, NC

[quote=robert66]Charles has this correct. Tea baggies are anti American terrorist. It has been reported there is a connection between them and a Saudi Muslim prince. He funnels millions of dollars to them under the guise of a media provider. The dupes who believe they are a grassroots organization are being used and manipulated. It's either that they are too dumb to know it or are intentionally involved in activities that are designed to destabilize the US government.[/quot

Prove it. I think your full of it.......

Xavier Reign

Truly a decorated Vet with honor, thank you sir for your valor and service to our country.

Gunny89 Loc: Southport, NC

Hey old salt. I can relate to that.......

Xavier Reign

You also Gunny, thank you, HOO RA!!!!!!!!!!!

PoppaGringo Loc: Muslim City, Mexifornia, B.R.

I once thought I was engaged in war but later discovered I was an auxiliary policeman since it was designated as a 'police action'. I guess things were different in the early 50's, thanks to Harry.

jelun

Next you will tell us that we have freedom of speech thanks to your fighting for our rights.
Thanks for your service, sincerely.
Your attitude doesn't support your claim and dishonors that uniform.

Rufus Loc: Deep South

What the hell is wrong with you punk. I ought to beat your punk ass.

jelun

Less than is wrong with you.
Get your filthy mind out of the First Lady's crotch.
How about if I hunt up a picture of your grandchild and photoshop it?
Enjoy that dream of making it to heaven.

Rufus Loc: Deep South

How dare you insult a mans uniform who fought for God and country. You are a real punk.

AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State

http://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-34046-1.html

Debunking CNN - DHS Report

http://reason.com/blog/2015/02/25/homeland-security-sovereign-citizens

Exclusive: Here is the New Homeland Security Report on 'Sovereign Citizen Extremist' Violence

Department of Homeland SecurityReason has obtained the federal government's recent report on the sovereign citizens, a largely unorganized subculture whose elaborate legal theories say they do not have to follow most laws. Members of the movement are infamous for filing nuisance lawsuits, making their own drivers' licenses and license plates, and sometimes attempting to form their own parallel institutions of government. Some of them are also prone to violence, and it is this hotheaded subgroup that is the subject of the report.

The intelligence assessment, which the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) prepared in coordination with the Federal Bureau of Investigation, was circulated to law enforcement on February 5 but was not released to the public. (DHS did not respond to repeated requests from Reason for comment.) CNN revealed its existence last Friday, but the network quoted only a couple of lines from it and did not post the full document for everyone to see.

We've posted it here. If you've seen the sensationalized coverage the sovereign citizens have been getting in some quarters—CNN announced its find with the front-page headline "Bigger threat than ISIS?"—the report's rather measured contents might surprise you.

The document declares on its first page that most sovereign citizens are nonviolent, and that it will focus only on the violent fringe within a fringe—the people it calls "sovereign citizen extremists," or SCEs. It describes their violence as "sporadic," and it does not expect its rate to rise, predicting instead that the violence will stay "at the same sporadic level" in 2015. The author or authors add that most of the violence consists of "unplanned, reactive" clashes with police officers, not preplanned attacks.

When sovereigns do plan an attack in advance, the report suggests that this tends to be "in direct response to an ongoing personal grievance, such as an arrest or court order." It argues that sovereign citizens are unlikely to pick a symbolic target—like, say, the Murrah Building in Oklahoma City—and that in this way they are distinct from the k**lers who attacked two randomly selected cops in Las Vegas last year or three TSA officers at an L.A. airport the year before that. While some police assessments of the movement may give officers the impression that anyone asserting their rights or videotaping an encounter might be a sovereign citizen, the DHS report draws its distinctions fairly carefully.

The report also includes an interactive map of 24 cases from 2010 to 2014 in which sovereign citizens planned, threatened, or actively engaged in violence. A static version of the map is below; to see the interactive version, click here.

Department of Homeland Security

There is some variety in the incidents, from threatening letters to murder plots. But the incidents typically involve a traffic stop or another police encounter gone bad, and they frequently end with the sovereign citizen dead. (In two of the 24 cases, the sovereigns succeeded in k*****g people.) The incidents do not come substantially more or less frequently over the course of the half-decade covered—though I should note that the report does not claim its list is exhaustive, and that I've seen other lists that include incidents the federal report leaves out and vice versa. (In part, that reflects different definitions of who qualifies as a sovereign citizen.) I'd therefore be wary about using this data to judge whether these little eruptions are becoming more common.

In short, the DHS report presents sovereign-citizen violence as a fairly rare risk that officers should nonetheless be prepared for should it arise. It does not claim that the threat to police is growing, it does not conflate the sovereigns with other anti-government groups, it makes no broad claims about terror on the right (the word "right-wing" appears nowhere in the document), and it does not compare the sovereigns to ISIS or to any other foreign terrorists.

So where did CNN get the headline "Bigger threat than ISIS?" By also citing a completely separate study published last July, in which the National Consortium for the Study of Terrorism and Responses to Terrorism surveyed state and local police. The cops ranked sovereign citizens as America's most serious terror threat, with Islamists coming in second. The survey did not ask specifically about ISIS, and it's unlikely that the group was on many officers' minds: The poll took place in late 2013 and early 2014, before the Islamic State started to dominate the headlines. (The results may also reflect the fact that the police are the group by far most likely to be affected by SCE violence.)

Citing the Southern Poverty Law Center as its source, CNN also claims that "by some estimates, there are as many as 300,000 people involved in some way with sovereign citizen extremism"—more than the Amish!—and estimates that around 100,000 people form the movement's core. I very strongly doubt that there are 300,000 sovereign citizens by any definition of the term, but there certainly are not 300,000 "sovereign citizen extremists" under the DHS's definition, since the Homeland Security paper explicitly distinguishes SCEs from "their non-violent sovereign citizen counterparts."

Below the jump, you'll find the 24 incidents listed in the Homeland Security report, as described in that document and in media coverage. (In some cases there are disputes over the facts; the list presents the incidents as the police see them.)

• March 2010: Brody James Whitaker shoots at a Florida State Highway Patrol after a traffic stop.

• April 2010: Walter Fitzpatrick plans a "citizens' arrest" of a Knoxville jury foreman who refused to indict President Barack Obama.

• May 2010: Jerry and Joseph Kane get into a shootout with the police after a traffic stop. They k**l two officers and are themselves k**led.

• June 2010: A sovereign citizen begins a multi-year series of written and verbal threats against law enforcement officials in Sweetgrass, Montana.

• September 2010: Victor Dwayne White of West Odessa, Texas, shoots and wounds two sheriff's deputies and a utility worker who came onto his property to access an oil well. A 22-hour standoff ensues.

• January 2011: David Russell Myrland is arrested after threatening to use "deadly force" if necessary to "arrest" the mayor of Kirkland, Washington, and other officials.

• March 2011: Francis Shaeffer Cox conspires with confederates to k**l a judge and an IRS officer in Anchorage, Alaska.

• June 2011: A domestic disturbance call brings police to the home of William Foust in Page, Arizona; Foust is shot and k**led in the ensuing altercation.

• July 2011: James Tesi of Colleyville, Texas, fires on police after an attempted traffic stop.

• November 2011: A property dispute brings the authorites to Rodney Brossart's home in Lakota, South Dakota. He threatens to shoot the officers, and a stand-off follows.

• February 2012: Vahe Ohanian visits a California Highway Patrol station and a sheriff's station in Santa Clarita, California, threatening to "snipe" officers. (*)

• February 2012: Matthew O'Neill pleads guilty to sending an envelope containing white powder to the Colorado Department of Revenue.

• August 2012: In LaPlace, Louisiana, a traffic stop leads to two shootouts with members of a small sovereign-citizen group headed by Terry Lyn Smith, one at the vehicle and the second at a trailer park. Two police officers are k**led and three wounded.

• September 2012: Phillip Monroe Ballard attempts to solicit the murder of the judge presiding over his tax trial.

• March 2013: Jeffrey Allen Wright of Navarre, Florida, threatens officers with a gun when they try to serve a warrant. He is shot and k**led.

• June 2013: In Snellville, Georgia, a man sends police a letter threatening death if they interfere with members of a sovereign-citizen group called the "Embassy of Granville."

• June 2013: Lewis Pollard points a gun at officers at his Fruita, Colorado, residence. He is shot and k**led.

• July 2013: Eric Stanberry Jr. pulls a gun on a security guard outside a Nashville strip club, identifying himself as a "sovereign peace officer." Police tase him.

• July 2013: An incarcerated sovereign citizen plans to k**l a federal agent and a witness.

• July 2013: David John McCormick refuses to let the Coast Guard board his boat. After lunging at one of the crew, he is arrested for assaulting a federal officer.

• August 2013: David Allen Brutsche and Devon Campbell Newman are arrested for allegedly planning to "arrest," "try," and "execute" police officers.

• March 2014: Israel Rondon of Middleburg Heights, Ohio, fires at deputies serving a warrant. He is k**led.

• June 2014: When deputies try to serve an eviction notice on Earl Carlson Harris of Ashland, Oregon, he threatens them with a rifle and is k**led.

• June 2014: On federal land in Nevada County, California, Brent Douglas Cole allegedly fires at employees of the Bureau of Land Management and the California Highway Patrol as they attempt to tow vehicles from Cole's unsanctioned campground.

(* This bullet point has been updated to add the sovereign citizen's name and to clarify the incidents' locations.)


Below is a direct link to the DHS Report.

http://cloudfront-assets.reason.com/media/pdf/Sovereign_Citizen_Extremist_Ideology_2-5-15...


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