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Feb 15, 2015 13:56:03   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Jeffersonian wrote:
There is no guarantee that such a convention would remain limited in scope.
Yes there is. Read Article V of the Constitution (study the entire document), read The Liberty Amendments, read what I have posted above.

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Feb 15, 2015 14:07:59   #
Jeffersonian
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Yes there is. Read Article V of the Constitution (study the entire document), read The Liberty Amendments, read what I have posted above.


Thank you. I will do that. I believe that a Conventions of the States is needed, but I am willing to revisit the literature.

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Feb 15, 2015 14:49:51   #
Sicilianthing
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Sorry, Sci, that I misunderstood you. It's just that so many people seem to oppose an Article V convention with no understanding of how it works.

There is no possibility of a "hijacking", or a "runaway convention". and it is NOT a Constitutional Convention. Neither are the state legislatures and their delegations going to repeal, rewrite, or in any way threaten the Bill of Rights.

Read Article V carefully. There are TWO procedures for amending the constitution. Briefly, by federal congress proposal, and through a convention of the state LEGISLATURES.

In congress, 2/3 of BOTH houses propose an amendment/s.
or 2/3 of state legislatures call a convention. (that's 33 states)

In either case, when an amendment/s is finally agreed upon and is officially proposed, it must then be submitted to all 50 state legislatures for ratification. The amendment becomes a part of the constitution if and when 3/4ths of the state legislatures v**e for ratification. (38 states)

As we speak, I believe at last count, there are 4 state legislatures who have passed resolutions for a convention and 27 state legislatures discussing and debating. And even more are becoming interested.

Two things must be understood about the Convention of the states for proposing amendment/s. One, Congress can neither hijack the convention, nor can it deny the states permission to proceed, or in any way block it. Second, in 2014, Republicans made historic gains in the nation’s state legislatures. The GOP now controls 68 out of 98 partisan state legislative chambers -- the highest number in the history of the party. Republicans currently hold the governorship and both houses of the legislature in 23 states, while Democrats have that level of control in only 7.

(Note: Nebraska, with a unicameral legislature, is the missing state in this count. Note also that neither the POTUS nor the governors have any say whatsoever in this procedure.)

I reckon the fundamental question for all of us is: If we agree that our nation is in peril, and if we agree that the majority of those we elected to the federal government have betrayed us, then what recourse is left to us?

As you will learn if you read The Liberty Amendments, the Founders suffered intense debates over what might be a recourse for the states if the federal congress went rogue and the government as a whole became tyrannical. The inclusion in Article V for a convention of the states for proposing amendments was their solution. As things now stand, short of a miracle at the polls, e******ns will not change the direction we are headed. At best, a favorable e******n might slow us down, but a complete reversal is a pipe dream. This convention, should it go forward to conclusion, is the last peaceful Constitutional recourse we have. Failing this, the outlook is grim indeed. We either succumb to a dictatorship, or we "go rogue". As a bumper sticker I saw recently put it:

"If our Founders were here today, they'd be shooting by now."
Sorry, Sci, that I misunderstood you. It's just th... (show quote)


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Agreed and I understand... and yes we have been c*********d in both parties and Congress has gone ROGUE...

Spread the word...

But you must activate the M*****as to enforce the Convention...

To unseat those in office as they will not walk away peacefully... especially the Imposter in the White House...

Furthermore... Article V only addresses the aforementioned but does not deal with the true perpetrators 8 family Banksters...

The founders had no idea that would ever have unfolded...

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Feb 15, 2015 18:13:05   #
robmull Loc: florida
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Sorry, Sci, that I misunderstood you. It's just that so many people seem to oppose an Article V convention with no understanding of how it works.

There is no possibility of a "hijacking", or a "runaway convention". and it is NOT a Constitutional Convention. Neither are the state legislatures and their delegations going to repeal, rewrite, or in any way threaten the Bill of Rights.

Read Article V carefully. There are TWO procedures for amending the constitution. Briefly, by federal congress proposal, and through a convention of the state LEGISLATURES.

In congress, 2/3 of BOTH houses propose an amendment/s.
or 2/3 of state legislatures call a convention. (that's 33 states)

In either case, when an amendment/s is finally agreed upon and is officially proposed, it must then be submitted to all 50 state legislatures for ratification. The amendment becomes a part of the constitution if and when 3/4ths of the state legislatures v**e for ratification. (38 states)

As we speak, I believe at last count, there are 4 state legislatures who have passed resolutions for a convention and 27 state legislatures discussing and debating. And even more are becoming interested.

Two things must be understood about the Convention of the states for proposing amendment/s. One, Congress can neither hijack the convention, nor can it deny the states permission to proceed, or in any way block it. Second, in 2014, Republicans made historic gains in the nation’s state legislatures. The GOP now controls 68 out of 98 partisan state legislative chambers -- the highest number in the history of the party. Republicans currently hold the governorship and both houses of the legislature in 23 states, while Democrats have that level of control in only 7.

(Note: Nebraska, with a unicameral legislature, is the missing state in this count. Note also that neither the POTUS nor the governors have any say whatsoever in this procedure.)

I reckon the fundamental question for all of us is: If we agree that our nation is in peril, and if we agree that the majority of those we elected to the federal government have betrayed us, then what recourse is left to us?

As you will learn if you read The Liberty Amendments, the Founders suffered intense debates over what might be a recourse for the states if the federal congress went rogue and the government as a whole became tyrannical. The inclusion in Article V for a convention of the states for proposing amendments was their solution. As things now stand, short of a miracle at the polls, e******ns will not change the direction we are headed. At best, a favorable e******n might slow us down, but a complete reversal is a pipe dream. This convention, should it go forward to conclusion, is the last peaceful Constitutional recourse we have. Failing this, the outlook is grim indeed. We either succumb to a dictatorship, or we "go rogue". As a bumper sticker I saw recently put it:

"If our Founders were here today, they'd be shooting by now."
Sorry, Sci, that I misunderstood you. It's just th... (show quote)






Actually, Blade, "our Founders," were extremely patient with British rule over the original Colonies, and for many decades sailed back and forth in dastardly conditions to avoid a physical conflict with the King. Out Founders gave us the necessary documents to avoid all the uncertainty of armed revolution and "WE" MUST exercise EVERY possible "solution" our Founders pondered in such extreme and life-threatening conditions.

Our individual states must decide the outcome of a "YEA" of "NAY" v**e for an Article V convention; and "WE" must let the chips fall where they may. I do believe, as you mentioned, that our normal v****g process and e******ns will have a really tough time turning this ship around; if at all. And "the last peaceful solution before tyranny or the grim reality of 'going rogue,'" is certainly better than none.

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Feb 15, 2015 20:53:57   #
Sicilianthing
 
gokart32 wrote:
there's two kinds of conventional one is to change and rewrite the constitution and the other is conventional the state's that amends only the a artc. that is injust to the ppl.and to add artc that the state's fill that protect the ppl. and stops the big runaway gov.it to repeal and rewrite injustice arc.like the 17 and yes we need to ligament gov.spending. the ppl, has a cap on us so they need one.yes liment terms on congress yes we need it .stop executive order this is what we need because if the lifers like mccain and a few others that been bought by the donors and the party
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The Rinos and Dinos need to be put on notice NOW !

Then move onto the dark money, endowments corroborators, perpetrators and the 8 Family Banksters...

It has to be done in that order and followed through with or nothing will change after the CONVENTION of New Clowns....

That's why I'm not sure it will work !

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Feb 15, 2015 20:57:13   #
Sicilianthing
 
robmull wrote:
Actually, Blade, "our Founders," were extremely patient with British rule over the original Colonies, and for many decades sailed back and forth in dastardly conditions to avoid a physical conflict with the King. Out Founders gave us the necessary documents to avoid all the uncertainty of armed revolution and "WE" MUST exercise EVERY possible "solution" our Founders pondered in such extreme and life-threatening conditions.

Our individual states must decide the outcome of a "YEA" of "NAY" v**e for an Article V convention; and "WE" must let the chips fall where they may. I do believe, as you mentioned, that our normal v****g process and e******ns will have a really tough time turning this ship around; if at all. And "the last peaceful solution before tyranny or the grim reality of 'going rogue,'" is certainly better than none.
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Very well stated, but I would want to see a standing M*****a by the people to enforce the outcome of states' majority and take action on the removal of those in chambers/ Congress...

I don't see you guys being successful in making that t***sition without a M*****a...

It's obvious the families have many a CONTINGENCY plan, decoy, DesignEvent in place for something to counter in the event of a Convention result.

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Feb 15, 2015 20:59:38   #
Sicilianthing
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Rather than search for something to discredit such a convention or otherwise attack the idea, why not first research the procedure to gain a better understanding of what so many who don't understand it are attacking. And the idea that such a convention would have no limits is clear evidence of a lack of understanding.

As for a threat to the Bill of Rights, that just ain't going to happen. Even if a repeal of any of the first ten amendments was actually proposed, there is no way that 3/4ths of the state legislatures would ratify it.
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Man I really hope you're right for the first time they ever try this...

Very very fragile process...

I'm going to read it again....

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Feb 15, 2015 21:37:22   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Sicilianthing wrote:
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Man I really hope you're right for the first time they ever try this...

Very very fragile process...

I'm going to read it again....
Not the first time an Article V convention was tried. I think it was on 27 occasions, but things then had never gone this far into the s**t hole. And, several presidents recommended such a convention, Ike was one. Off the top of my head.

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Feb 16, 2015 01:04:06   #
Sicilianthing
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Not the first time an Article V convention was tried. I think it was on 27 occasions, but things then had never gone this far into the s**t hole. And, several presidents recommended such a convention, Ike was one. Off the top of my head.


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Hmmm I guess its not much spoken of then... I can only remember maybe in history class way back that it could have been mentioned somewhere... in brief, but nothing of substance.

I hope it gets off the ground and we'll see....

I'm diving hard into Common Law Grand Jury of States in the meantime...

nationallibertyalliance.org

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