SANCTUARY
Feb 13, 2015 19:35:48 #
Theo
Loc: Within 1000 miles of Tampa, Florida
The purpose of this section, is to serve as a little
"Sanctuary" from the heat and stress of the political world. And it can serve to give a pedestal to anyone who wants to share some spiritual salve to the wounds of others; or to share a particular doctrinal perspective; or to vehemently debate your personal religious view.
In other words, it will be a religious thread on a political board.
As for rules, simplicity prevails;
1) Since the assumption will begin that all posters will be gentlepersons in their soul, there is no need to tell you how to behave, as Christ already established that. Violators will be 1st, warned; 2nd edited; 3rd banned.
Otherwise, feel free to express orthodox or unorthodox position, as long as it is not an insult to The God Jehovah of the bible, or to His Christ; offering sustaining evidence for the position if you seriously want to share it; feel free to defend your position; or to disagree with another's position; Show forth the example of Christ in your life and all will be well on the board.
Devil's advocates are free to express disagreement, if you can do so without being disagreeable. Proper decorum is expected at all times.
Further rules may be applied as need arises.
Power up your keyboards, turn up your passion for righteousness, and flail away.
And God bless you.
"Sanctuary" from the heat and stress of the political world. And it can serve to give a pedestal to anyone who wants to share some spiritual salve to the wounds of others; or to share a particular doctrinal perspective; or to vehemently debate your personal religious view.
In other words, it will be a religious thread on a political board.
As for rules, simplicity prevails;
1) Since the assumption will begin that all posters will be gentlepersons in their soul, there is no need to tell you how to behave, as Christ already established that. Violators will be 1st, warned; 2nd edited; 3rd banned.
Otherwise, feel free to express orthodox or unorthodox position, as long as it is not an insult to The God Jehovah of the bible, or to His Christ; offering sustaining evidence for the position if you seriously want to share it; feel free to defend your position; or to disagree with another's position; Show forth the example of Christ in your life and all will be well on the board.
Devil's advocates are free to express disagreement, if you can do so without being disagreeable. Proper decorum is expected at all times.
Further rules may be applied as need arises.
Power up your keyboards, turn up your passion for righteousness, and flail away.
And God bless you.
Feb 13, 2015 19:46:01 #
Theo
Loc: Within 1000 miles of Tampa, Florida
Do you have any idea how much damage can be done by t***slators who change just one/one-hundredth of the word of God?
It has been suggested by scholars that the variations in the major t***slations usually do not affect major Christian doctrine. ~ The Majority Text differs from the Textus Receptus in almost 2,000 places. So the agreement is better than 99 percent. But the Majority Text differs from the modern critical text in only about 6,500 places. In other words the two texts agree almost 98 percent of the time. Not only that, but the vast majority of these differences are so minor that they neither show up in t***slation nor affect exegesis. Consequently the majority text and modern critical texts are very much alike, in both quality and quantity.
It has been suggested the difference Between Textus Receptus and Majoritytext is only less than 3%. Is that inconsequential, or is that significant? I maintain it is very significant.
Did you know that when God instructed Adam in the garden, as to the consequences of eating of the fruit of a certain tree, God used only 39 words?
Did you know that when Satan beguiled Eve when he changed only 1 word out of 39 in God's instructions, or 2.5641% of the message, the consequences were totally "out of Adam's world?"
And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, "Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat': 17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and' evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the' day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."[39.. words]
INFLUENCE OF 2.5641%
"Now the serpent was more subtle than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? 2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: 3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: 5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. 6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat." [Gen.. 3:1-6]
CONSEQUENCE OF 2.5641%
"And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life: 15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; 18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; 19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
20 And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living. 21 Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them. 22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: 23 Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken." [Gen.. 3:13-23]
LEGACY OF 2.5641%
"But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtlety, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ."[II.. Cor 11:3]
"In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with braided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; 10 But which becometh women professing godliness with good works. 11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. 12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. 13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the t***sgression."[I Tim 2:9-14]
It was "only 2.5641%" but WoW! What a significant consequence. Anytime anyone tells you that Westcott and Hort "only" differ from the majority text by 2.5641%, remind them of this little account of the enormous significance of a little percentage.
The fact is that the differences are large and serious and a choice must be made.
The following is from Dr. Donald Waites book "Defending the King James Bible:"
The Westcott and Hort Text changes the Textus Receptus in over 5,600 places.
Do you know how many changes they made? My own personal count, as of August 2, 1984, using Scrivener's Greek New Testament referred to above, was 5,604 changes that Westcott and Hort made to the Textus Receptus in their own Greek New Testament text. Of these 5,604 alterations, I found 1,952 to be OMISSIONS (35%), 467 to be ADDITIONS (8%), and 3,185 to be CHANGES (57%). In these 5,604 places that were involved in these alterations, there were 4,366 more words included, making a total of 9,970 Greek words that were involved. This means that in a Greek Text of 647 pages (such as Scrivener's text), this would average 15.4 words per page that were CHANGED from the Received Text. Pastor Jack Moorman counted 140,521 words in the Textus Receptus. These changes would amount to 7% of the words; and 45.9 pages of the Greek New Testament if placed together in one place.
Rev. Jack A. Moorman, in December 1988, wrote a book entitled: Missing in Modern Bibles--Is The Full Story Being Told? It was published by The Bible For Today in April, 1989. Rev. Moorman counted every word of the Received Greek Text and also every word of the Nestle/Aland Greek Text and, on a chapter by chapter count, came up with the Nestle/Aland text being SHORTER than the Received Text by 2,886 words. This is 934 words more than were omitted from the Westcott and Hort text. (1,952 vs. 2,886). The omitting of 2,886 Greek words is the equivalent, in number of English words involved, of DROPPING OUT THE ENTIRE BOOKS OF 1 PETER AND 2 PETER! Pastor Moorman's book is eighty large pages. [B.F.T. #1726] (Bible for Today, 900 Park Ave., Collingswood, NJ 08108)"
It has been suggested by scholars that the variations in the major t***slations usually do not affect major Christian doctrine. ~ The Majority Text differs from the Textus Receptus in almost 2,000 places. So the agreement is better than 99 percent. But the Majority Text differs from the modern critical text in only about 6,500 places. In other words the two texts agree almost 98 percent of the time. Not only that, but the vast majority of these differences are so minor that they neither show up in t***slation nor affect exegesis. Consequently the majority text and modern critical texts are very much alike, in both quality and quantity.
It has been suggested the difference Between Textus Receptus and Majoritytext is only less than 3%. Is that inconsequential, or is that significant? I maintain it is very significant.
Did you know that when God instructed Adam in the garden, as to the consequences of eating of the fruit of a certain tree, God used only 39 words?
Did you know that when Satan beguiled Eve when he changed only 1 word out of 39 in God's instructions, or 2.5641% of the message, the consequences were totally "out of Adam's world?"
And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, "Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat': 17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and' evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the' day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."[39.. words]
INFLUENCE OF 2.5641%
"Now the serpent was more subtle than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? 2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: 3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: 5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil. 6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat." [Gen.. 3:1-6]
CONSEQUENCE OF 2.5641%
"And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life: 15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; 18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; 19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
20 And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living. 21 Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them. 22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: 23 Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken." [Gen.. 3:13-23]
LEGACY OF 2.5641%
"But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtlety, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ."[II.. Cor 11:3]
"In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with braided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; 10 But which becometh women professing godliness with good works. 11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. 12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. 13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve. 14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the t***sgression."[I Tim 2:9-14]
It was "only 2.5641%" but WoW! What a significant consequence. Anytime anyone tells you that Westcott and Hort "only" differ from the majority text by 2.5641%, remind them of this little account of the enormous significance of a little percentage.
The fact is that the differences are large and serious and a choice must be made.
The following is from Dr. Donald Waites book "Defending the King James Bible:"
The Westcott and Hort Text changes the Textus Receptus in over 5,600 places.
Do you know how many changes they made? My own personal count, as of August 2, 1984, using Scrivener's Greek New Testament referred to above, was 5,604 changes that Westcott and Hort made to the Textus Receptus in their own Greek New Testament text. Of these 5,604 alterations, I found 1,952 to be OMISSIONS (35%), 467 to be ADDITIONS (8%), and 3,185 to be CHANGES (57%). In these 5,604 places that were involved in these alterations, there were 4,366 more words included, making a total of 9,970 Greek words that were involved. This means that in a Greek Text of 647 pages (such as Scrivener's text), this would average 15.4 words per page that were CHANGED from the Received Text. Pastor Jack Moorman counted 140,521 words in the Textus Receptus. These changes would amount to 7% of the words; and 45.9 pages of the Greek New Testament if placed together in one place.
Rev. Jack A. Moorman, in December 1988, wrote a book entitled: Missing in Modern Bibles--Is The Full Story Being Told? It was published by The Bible For Today in April, 1989. Rev. Moorman counted every word of the Received Greek Text and also every word of the Nestle/Aland Greek Text and, on a chapter by chapter count, came up with the Nestle/Aland text being SHORTER than the Received Text by 2,886 words. This is 934 words more than were omitted from the Westcott and Hort text. (1,952 vs. 2,886). The omitting of 2,886 Greek words is the equivalent, in number of English words involved, of DROPPING OUT THE ENTIRE BOOKS OF 1 PETER AND 2 PETER! Pastor Moorman's book is eighty large pages. [B.F.T. #1726] (Bible for Today, 900 Park Ave., Collingswood, NJ 08108)"
Feb 13, 2015 19:46:47 #
Boo_Boo
Loc: Jellystone
Great idea. Did you know that you can take this to the Mods and ask for a section to be made where you manage? I copied the directions for you. And to be honest, I hope that you do get this new section up and going. It is needed!!
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User-Managed Sections
Aside from the list of core sections provided by the forum and managed by the administration, we can also host sections managed/moderated by the users.
If you have an idea for a niche section which you would like to manage, then please contact me and we'll see about setting one up.
A user-managed section can have one or multiple managing users.
Managers have the ability to perform certain moderator tasks within their sections such as deleting topics, deleting individual posts, changing titles of topics, sticking topics, locking topics.
User-managed sections have certain limitations:
- The rules of such sections cannot contradict the overall forums rules.
- Topics from user-managed sections are not included in the daily digest.
- Initially, users are not subscribed to any user-managed sections. So they would have to explicitly subscribe in their profiles in order to participate.
- Generally, we will not move topics from core sections into user-managed sections. But at the same time, if a manager of a user-managed section asks us to move some topic out of his/her section, we will do it.
- We reserve the right to edit/delete content in user-managed sections just like with the rest of the forum.
Since user-managed sections are not advertised anywhere on our website, you should think about how you'll promote your section to the other users of the forum before contacting me about creating one. This is very important because if no one knows about your new section, it won't be of much use.
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Theo wrote:
The purpose of this section, is to serve as a little
"Sanctuary" from the heat and stress of the political world. .
"Sanctuary" from the heat and stress of the political world. .
Feb 13, 2015 19:48:39 #
Theo wrote:
The purpose of this section, is to serve as a litt... (show quote)
My response would be you may find the snakes slithering onto your forum.
Having said that, why do we not start with this?
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pLLMzr3PFgk
Feb 13, 2015 19:52:34 #
AuntiE wrote:
My response would be you may find the snakes slithering onto your forum.
Having said that, why do we not start with this?
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pLLMzr3PFgk
Having said that, why do we not start with this?
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pLLMzr3PFgk
Or ....we could start with this.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aEplqV0scyo
Feb 13, 2015 19:56:03 #
Theo
Loc: Within 1000 miles of Tampa, Florida
Pennylynn wrote:
Great idea. Did you know that you can take this t... (show quote)
I will appreciate any help you can give. It seems I need to re-establish a board that will allow for different threads that will not interfere or overlap with one another.
What say you?
Feb 13, 2015 20:35:58 #
Boo_Boo
Loc: Jellystone
I will give you any help I can. What would you like me to work on? I can prepare a talking paper to justify a new board that is a hostile free zone... Or, I can work on the rules that would apply....just tell me and I will take the ball to the court.
The mechanics of overlap and creation of threads is a program element, it is already running for OPP. So, the problem is what is or world be the difference between general chit chat and the new board of Hostile Free Zone for Spiritual exchanges....
The mechanics of overlap and creation of threads is a program element, it is already running for OPP. So, the problem is what is or world be the difference between general chit chat and the new board of Hostile Free Zone for Spiritual exchanges....
Theo wrote:
I will appreciate any help you can give. It seems I need to re-establish a board that will allow for different threads that will not interfere or overlap with one another.
What say you?
What say you?
Feb 13, 2015 20:46:36 #
Pennylynn wrote:
I will give you any help I can. What would you li... (show quote)
Dear Gentle People,
I, truly, try to be positive; however, (you especially PennyLynn) every time, in the last eighteen months, such a forum has been introduced the very worst of our progressive atheists have overtaken it with denigrating profane comments, as well as the usual atheist cartoons, poster pictures, etc. Those seeking "SANCTUARY" and discussions might consider the Prayer Team Forum. It is a forum that covers a vast array of comments, excluding politics.
I will now go quietly into Friday.
Feb 13, 2015 20:52:14 #
Boo_Boo
Loc: Jellystone
Thank you.... but we are not talking about a thread, we are talking about a board. The board's Mod would be Theo. He/she would have direct control with ability to rename and redirect a thread or new topic to other boards, would have direct input with Admin in having people removed from OPP for rule violation..... and would be able to delete offending comments. A thread, well we can only express our idea and complain to Admin if a person is being disruptive....
AuntiE wrote:
Dear Gentle People, br br I, truly, try to be po... (show quote)
Feb 13, 2015 21:07:42 #
Theo
Loc: Within 1000 miles of Tampa, Florida
Pennylynn wrote:
Thank you.... but we are not talking about a thread, we are talking about a board. The board's Mod would be Theo. *He/she would have direct control with ability to rename and redirect a thread or new topic to other boards, would have direct input with Admin in having people removed from OPP for rule violation..... and would be able to delete offending comments. A thread, well we can only express our idea and complain to Admin if a person is being disruptive....
Bingo! Theo (He) would like a board where different threads can be started so as to not interfere, or intermingle with each other.
Feb 13, 2015 21:38:55 #
Theo wrote:
The purpose of this section, is to serve as a litt... (show quote)
theo
only complete fools argue religion
and mama didn't raise one
Feb 13, 2015 21:41:53 #
Theo
Loc: Within 1000 miles of Tampa, Florida
badbobby wrote:
theo
only complete fools argue religion
and mama didn't raise one
only complete fools argue religion
and mama didn't raise one
So what are you trying to tell me? Your daddy raised you?:)
Feb 13, 2015 21:42:57 #
Boo_Boo
Loc: Jellystone
Did not mean disrespect....I did not want to assume your g****r.
Theo wrote:
Bingo! Theo (He) would like a board where different threads can be started so as to not interfere, or intermingle with each other.
Feb 13, 2015 21:49:19 #
Boo_Boo
Loc: Jellystone
Problem with your comment. Religion is discussable only. Why, because we as humans can not argue for or against an improvable, either prove existence or lack thereof, of the existence of God. And belief is personal. So, forgive my correction. We do not have true Christians that are fools. They relate their opinions and discuss the meanings of the scriptures....never implying that they authored the Word. This removes the possibility of arguments. Differences in understandings, but the core belief remains the same. That is there is only One God, One Creator.
badbobby wrote:
theo
only complete fools argue religion
and mama didn't raise one
only complete fools argue religion
and mama didn't raise one
Feb 13, 2015 22:04:36 #
Theo
Loc: Within 1000 miles of Tampa, Florida
Pennylynn wrote:
Problem with your comment. Religion is discussabl... (show quote)
May I humbly suggest, what you describe sounds to me more like what I call "Fussin' rather than "Arguing." To "Argue" is a term developed in a Mathematic discipline known as "logic," and it means "to present a reason for..."; it usually consists of a major premise, a minor premise, and sustaining evidence.
It is then set up for discussion.
Points of disagreement are prioritized, and evidence presented. Participants are required to read the material, and only after being sure they qualify, and want to participate, they then agree to respond to the material in prioritized order.
The discussion can be a one on one, or several may participate, but it should be made clear before any actual discussion begins, as to which format a particular thread is designed for.
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