Common core mythology: This was a great debate about common core and a perfect example of the way a conservative, Texas Gov Greg Abbott, is still preoccupied with the myths of common...

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

This was a great debate about common core and a perfect example of the way a conservative, Texas Gov Greg Abbott, is still preoccupied with the myths of common core. You'll notice that the Education secretary's main come back is look at common core your self. Common core is public and open for public viewing. Abbott could not cite one single example of common core except his mention of the video 9 + 6 Common Core. I would challenge anyone to find an example of common core telling teachers how to teach something. There is a hug difference between standards as goals of learning and how to teach up to those standards.

I have read them and concur with the Education Secretary. Have you?

http://video.foxnews.com/v/4026261173001/common-core-debate-exposes-rift-within-the-gop/?#sp=show-clips

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

nwtk2007 wrote:

This was a great debate about common core and a pe... (show quote)

Here are a few of they myths which the right wing conservatives are promoting as true about common core.

dennisimoto Loc: Washington State (West)

nwtk2007 wrote:

Here are a few of they myths which the right wing conservatives are promoting as true about common core.

A "standard" would be something that said, "the kids should know, this, this and this," at a certain grade level. C.C. tells teachers how to teach kids the information which it does very, very badly. 9+6 = 15. Using common core's method takes me 54-56 seconds to get there using "base 10" and kids being 'comfortable' with the numbers. That's what wrong with C.C.

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

dennisimoto wrote:

A "standard" would be something that said, "the kids should know, this, this and this," at a certain grade level. C.C. tells teachers how to teach kids the information which it does very, very badly. 9+6 = 15. Using common core's method takes me 54-56 seconds to get there using "base 10" and kids being 'comfortable' with the numbers. That's what wrong with C.C.

You are doing exactly what the Education Secretary is talking about. Show me in the common core where it tells the teacher how to teach. Its on line. You can read it. I have. Show us where it tells a teacher how to teach.

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

dennisimoto wrote:

A "standard" would be something that said, "the kids should know, this, this and this," at a certain grade level. C.C. tells teachers how to teach kids the information which it does very, very badly. 9+6 = 15. Using common core's method takes me 54-56 seconds to get there using "base 10" and kids being 'comfortable' with the numbers. That's what wrong with C.C.

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

dennisimoto wrote:

A "standard" would be something that said, "the kids should know, this, this and this," at a certain grade level. C.C. tells teachers how to teach kids the information which it does very, very badly. 9+6 = 15. Using common core's method takes me 54-56 seconds to get there using "base 10" and kids being 'comfortable' with the numbers. That's what wrong with C.C.

That video is NOT a common core thing. It is a teacher teaching a technique. We were do the very same thing with numbers in 1st grade also.

Rorshach Loc: Los Angeles

MORE DUMBING DOWN FROM OUR GOVERNMENT INDOCTRINATION CENTERS

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

Rorshach wrote:

MORE DUMBING DOWN FROM OUR GOVERNMENT INDOCTRINATION CENTERS

I don't know what you are saying so I would ask that any reasonable person who objects to common core show the specific part of it which they object to. If you can't then who is the dummy? If you can, lets see it and check your reasoning.

dennisimoto Loc: Washington State (West)

nwtk2007 wrote:

That video is NOT a common core thing. It is a teacher teaching a technique. We were do the very same thing with numbers in 1st grade also.

In my 1st grade we had flash cards and we practiced until we knew the numbers. My 8 year old grand daughter h**es this's new crap. She looks at a problem and knows the answer, "Why do I have to do all that other stuff?" So tell us, why does she? The teachers of today are actually DOING that crap.

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

dennisimoto wrote:

In my 1st grade we had flash cards and we practiced until we knew the numbers. My 8 year old grand daughter h**es this's new crap. She looks at a problem and knows the answer, "Why do I have to do all that other stuff?" So tell us, why does she? The teachers of today are actually DOING that crap.

Math has always been about process, which applies to other situations not so simple and not so obvious. The process is the basis for the next step up the math ladder. Knowing the answer without knowing how it comes out, cripple the student in the situations where the solution is not so simply obvious. But all that, is not common core.

AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State

nwtk2007 wrote:

Math has always been about process, which applies to other situations not so simple and not so obvious. The process is the basis for the next step up the math ladder. Knowing the answer without knowing how it comes out, cripple the student in the situations where the solution is not so simply obvious. But all that, is not common core.

I am going to be difficult. To hades with your i***tic question. When you have teachers in the bastion of conservatism of NYC, the bastion of conservatism of MI, IN and some in IL complaining about the testing component, lesson plan component and other matters, I will take their opinion before I would take the word of the Department of UnEducation on anything. In point of fact, it would be my preference to see the Department of UnEducation minimally cut by 75% in dollars and personnel.

PS: it is not meant as a direct attack on you. It is a hot button for me.

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

AuntiE wrote:

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There is testing and over testing. I dont know NY's policies but testing is determined by districts. Benchmark tests, teaching tests is a combination of districts and administrators. Nothing to do with common core. Not sure what question I have asked you are referring to, but thats been my experience with testing. Lesson plans, again, in local control. The teachers might be being told its due to common core but its not. Admin's are, in general, incompetent to such matters. Teachers need control of their classes.

AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State

nwtk2007 wrote:

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Oops, wrong. There is, in fact, mandated testing within Common Core utilizing the Common Core standards. There are recommended lesson plan formats within Common Core. This has zip, zero and nada to do with improving education. This has to do with education business. NOTHING in Common Core was designed by anyone in the teaching field...N O T H I N G!

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

AuntiE wrote:

Oops, wrong. There is, in fact, mandated testing within Common Core utilizing the Common Core standards. There are recommended lesson plan formats within Common Core. This has zip, zero and nada to do with improving education. This has to do with education business. NOTHING in Common Core was designed by anyone in the teaching field...N O T H I N G!

Im guessing that testing to common core would be indestinguishable from testing to state standards, if they actually have any. And if admin's force "recommended" lesson plans on teachers, we are again looking at local control. Actually, educators were at the heart of common core design. But thats not the point. They are still voluntary and to be honest, if a districts teachers are teaching, they are just needing common core to indicate where they need to be. The districts just need to test to show they are meeting the standards to get funding. If they want thst, they need to drop their state mandated testing. Like I said, there can be too much. My daughters were in a district where teaching was such thats testing days were a day off, essentially. Other districts have problems related to the local flavor and admins interferring too much. Biggest prob in the schools, not home, are admins who tell teachers how to teach. Sorry for the ramble. Tard. Bed time.

AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State

nwtk2007 wrote:

Im guessing that testing to common core would be i... (show quote)

There is a distinct difference between an "educator" and a teacher. Someone with a degree in education can be classified as an educator. Theory has zero to do with teaching. Theory is for an educator. Common Core is theory and experimental at the expense of our children. Every three to four years a new theory comes flowing out of academia. Those with sk**l teach. Those with no sk**l, but an education degree, administer or create theory. No true teacher wants to leave the classroom. Beware of the teacher pursuing an upper degree in education administration.