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Mar 19, 2013 17:49:20   #
The Progressive Patriot
 
oilfieldDave wrote:
oldroy wrote:
TheChardo wrote:
oldroy wrote:
TheChardo wrote:
While we’re on the subject of who can marry who, let me raise another issue. Intersexual people. You know that there are really more than just two sexes? OMG! You didn’t! It’s true, so the marriage issue is even more complex that you knew. Intersexual people, born with characteristics of both male and female are a reality. This condition can range from subtle hormonal and chromosomal “a******lities” to outward physical signs that the person is not clearly male or female. Traditionally, the medical response has been to channel these unusual but real people into being a male or female. This has been done medically, psychologically and surgically . One problem is that we, and the medical community have a poor understanding of the consequences of this approach. There may be implications related to t***s-sexuality , g****r confusion and other mental health issues, as well as same sex attractions.
Now before I go on, it’s important that I say that I am in no way saying that gayness can or should be explained in biological terms. Gay and lesbian people should be afforded all of the rights and respect of “straight” people regardless of biology. The point is only that SOME same sex attractions MAY be related to intersexual issues. There is so much that we don’t understand.
Having said that, I want to call attention to the fact, that there is a growing community of intersexual people, who reject the societal insistence that they identify as either male or female. In addition, there is a movement within the medical and mental health fields that supports that view and no longer rush to find a medical or surgical “ cure “. Many now believe that there are as many as five different sexes-varying degrees of maleness and femaleness- and that those people should be allowed to be who and what they are without society putting a traditional g****r label on .
So, that brings us back to the marriage issue and who can marry who because, as the intersexual movement grows, this will surly come up. What will happen when an intersexual person, who refused to be pigeon holed into a traditional sexual category , wants to marry a male, or a female. What will happen when someone who is more male than female wants to marry someone who more female than male, but on some level they are of the same sex. You may laugh and ridicule this now, but mark my word, the issue will come up and it will have to be dealt with. I submit to you that the only solution is to allow any two people who want to marry each other to do so. What’s the big deal?
While we’re on the subject of who can marry who, l... (show quote)


Let me tell you my story about same sex and maybe you can see why I don't care to see them marrying. When I got out of high school I was so naive that I didn't know about things like that. Oh yes, in 1950 there were lots of us. Anyway I noticed in a 5 hr. class I had that this really talented piano player always sat beside me and spent too much time just staring at my crotch area. Finally I talked to some older people and learned that Johnny was what they called qu**r back in that day. I could see that for how he acted in that class. Finally, he invited me to his dorm room and tried to put some moves on me. Not knowing how nasty I was being I promised him that if he ever tried that again I would beat him to death, probably. We became fast friends after that and he just stayed to his "girl friend" who was his saxophone player in his combo. They even tried to get a marriage license in about 1957 and in that part of Kansas at that time in history were lucky to get out of the courthouse in one piece.

I well remember the 1950s through the 1970s when closet doors were still closed. I keep trying to imagine why the activist homosexuals had to try to force themselves on other people when they had been so able to get along in their closets. I still wonder about that. I don't know about your intersexuals at all. Do they have enough of one or the other to reproduce? I don't know. However, I am so inexperienced with homosexuals that I have had many good friends who turned out to be that way. Most of them married women, that is those who were male looking. I really became s**k of the whole thing when my sons came to the house talking about fudge packers. I heard that one for a long time before someone explained it to me. How do they reproduce that way, anyway?

Man, I am so old fashioned that I just don't understand much of that kind of living. I never could figure out what the target of pissing contests among homes got out of sitting on the ground and being pissed upon. However, I have seen too many videos of this happening to not believe it does. I was pissed on once and beat the hell out of that kid.

Ok it is now your turn to let my knowledge about aberrant sex to expand.
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You start out by saying that you're going to explain why you're against gay marriage. However, all you do is ramble about some experiences that you had in the 50's This explains nothing except maybe that to harbor some bad feeling about gays. Please either discuss the issue or stop wasting peoples time . Now you want me to discuss my experiences. Maybe you want to get off on that? Forget about it. What I've done is also irrelevant to the topic. It's not about me, or you.
quote=oldroy quote=TheChardo While we’re on the ... (show quote)


I don't like to do this but one of my main reasons against same sex marriage is that I just don't understand how "fudge packers" and their counter parts of the other "sex" reproduce without some real help. We were built to reproduce one way and they don't do things that way. When we talk about marriage we are talking about something that it sickens me to think about same sexers doing.

That packer thing is something that I leaned early in the present century when I finally asked my sons (early 20's) what they meant by that term.

I think the whole same sex "marriage" thing is something that some activists have to push. I have talked with some of those people who liked living outside the closet and felt like they were accepted in their neighborhoods because they tried to live like everyone else and didn't try to push for what they couldn't get. I guess they were in the closet and still didn't know it.
quote=TheChardo quote=oldroy quote=TheChardo Wh... (show quote)


Chardo, dude, you are going off the deep end with your attempts to portrait a h********c. It is kind of funny, tho.

I still think marriage is something that should not be a part of the government. Its very personal. For that matter, so is the idea of one getting their fudge packed. These are things that go on behind closed doors between consenting adults, and should have zero place in the government.

If two (why not three, four, five, etc.,) consenting adults want to shack up, get married, wh**ever, so be it. If any children are born of these unions, both parents should be liable for the costs of raising the child(ren), and after 5 years, all assets should become community property, where if they split, the assets are split up equally.
This would be the only place where the government should be involved, in assuring the children are safe and taken care of, and property is separated equally.

Otherwise, as the gay activists claim, the government has no business in the bedroom. I agree.
quote=oldroy quote=TheChardo quote=oldroy quot... (show quote)


Wow, that's about the most enlightened think you've ever said!! However, marriage is a legal arrangement so goverment has to be involved....just not saying who can marry

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Mar 19, 2013 18:30:44   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
The Chardo,

Today Rush reported that a Methodist church in North Carolina had promised not to marry any more heterosexuals until homosexuals can be married. Now did the government force them to say that or did they just do it on their own.

Maybe I should check up on the churches in that city to determine which of them came out with that kind of talk. It sounds to me like that church has allowed some level of government to force them to move that direction.

I would surely be running from that church as fast as I could with things like this coming from them.

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Mar 19, 2013 19:34:35   #
The Progressive Patriot
 
oldroy wrote:
The Chardo,

Today Rush reported that a Methodist church in North Carolina had promised not to marry any more heterosexuals until homosexuals can be married. Now did the government force them to say that or did they just do it on their own.

Maybe I should check up on the churches in that city to determine which of them came out with that kind of talk. It sounds to me like that church has allowed some level of government to force them to move that direction.

I would surely be running from that church as fast as I could with things like this coming from them.
The Chardo, br br Today Rush reported that a Meth... (show quote)


Old Man Roy, maybe, just maybe they did what they thought was right and just. HOW THE F*^*# did the government force the to do anything. You are getting stranger with everything you post.

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Mar 19, 2013 19:41:51   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
TheChardo wrote:
oldroy wrote:
The Chardo,

Today Rush reported that a Methodist church in North Carolina had promised not to marry any more heterosexuals until homosexuals can be married. Now did the government force them to say that or did they just do it on their own.

Maybe I should check up on the churches in that city to determine which of them came out with that kind of talk. It sounds to me like that church has allowed some level of government to force them to move that direction.

I would surely be running from that church as fast as I could with things like this coming from them.
The Chardo, br br Today Rush reported that a Meth... (show quote)


Old Man Roy, maybe, just maybe they did what they thought was right and just. HOW THE F*^*# did the government force the to do anything. You are getting stranger with everything you post.
quote=oldroy The Chardo, br br Today Rush report... (show quote)


Do you suppose they are doing that because a majority of the congregation wants it that way or maybe because a minister wants it that way? I would certainly find another place to worship if I asked to have my daughter married there and they wouldn't allow it. Have you ever given any thought to something like that? No? I bet not.

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Mar 19, 2013 19:49:15   #
The Progressive Patriot
 
oldroy wrote:
TheChardo wrote:
oldroy wrote:
The Chardo,

Today Rush reported that a Methodist church in North Carolina had promised not to marry any more heterosexuals until homosexuals can be married. Now did the government force them to say that or did they just do it on their own.

Maybe I should check up on the churches in that city to determine which of them came out with that kind of talk. It sounds to me like that church has allowed some level of government to force them to move that direction.

I would surely be running from that church as fast as I could with things like this coming from them.
The Chardo, br br Today Rush reported that a Meth... (show quote)


Old Man Roy, maybe, just maybe they did what they thought was right and just. HOW THE F*^*# did the government force the to do anything. You are getting stranger with everything you post.
quote=oldroy The Chardo, br br Today Rush report... (show quote)


Do you suppose they are doing that because a majority of the congregation wants it that way or maybe because a minister wants it that way? {How the hell do I know}

I would certainly find another place to worship if I asked to have my daughter married there and they wouldn't allow it. Have you ever given any thought to something like that? No? I bet not.
quote=TheChardo quote=oldroy The Chardo, br br ... (show quote)
{ Right, I don't worship....I don't have a dog in that fight}

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Mar 19, 2013 20:10:04   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
TheChardo wrote:
oldroy wrote:
TheChardo wrote:
oldroy wrote:
The Chardo,

Today Rush reported that a Methodist church in North Carolina had promised not to marry any more heterosexuals until homosexuals can be married. Now did the government force them to say that or did they just do it on their own.

Maybe I should check up on the churches in that city to determine which of them came out with that kind of talk. It sounds to me like that church has allowed some level of government to force them to move that direction.

I would surely be running from that church as fast as I could with things like this coming from them.
The Chardo, br br Today Rush reported that a Meth... (show quote)


Old Man Roy, maybe, just maybe they did what they thought was right and just. HOW THE F*^*# did the government force the to do anything. You are getting stranger with everything you post.
quote=oldroy The Chardo, br br Today Rush report... (show quote)


Do you suppose they are doing that because a majority of the congregation wants it that way or maybe because a minister wants it that way? {How the hell do I know}

I would certainly find another place to worship if I asked to have my daughter married there and they wouldn't allow it. Have you ever given any thought to something like that? No? I bet not.
quote=TheChardo quote=oldroy The Chardo, br br ... (show quote)
{ Right, I don't worship....I don't have a dog in that fight}
quote=oldroy quote=TheChardo quote=oldroy The C... (show quote)


Hey, I just found out about that church and their minister. It is the minister, not the congregation, that is talking wild like that. Read it for yourself.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2011/08/09/lesbian-pastor-refuses-to-wed-straights-until-gays-allowed-to-marry-in-nc/

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Mar 19, 2013 20:22:37   #
The Progressive Patriot
 
oldroy wrote:
TheChardo wrote:
oldroy wrote:
TheChardo wrote:
oldroy wrote:
The Chardo,

Today Rush reported that a Methodist church in North Carolina had promised not to marry any more heterosexuals until homosexuals can be married. Now did the government force them to say that or did they just do it on their own.

Maybe I should check up on the churches in that city to determine which of them came out with that kind of talk. It sounds to me like that church has allowed some level of government to force them to move that direction.

I would surely be running from that church as fast as I could with things like this coming from them.
The Chardo, br br Today Rush reported that a Meth... (show quote)


Old Man Roy, maybe, just maybe they did what they thought was right and just. HOW THE F*^*# did the government force the to do anything. You are getting stranger with everything you post.
quote=oldroy The Chardo, br br Today Rush report... (show quote)


Do you suppose they are doing that because a majority of the congregation wants it that way or maybe because a minister wants it that way? {How the hell do I know}

I would certainly find another place to worship if I asked to have my daughter married there and they wouldn't allow it. Have you ever given any thought to something like that? No? I bet not.
quote=TheChardo quote=oldroy The Chardo, br br ... (show quote)
{ Right, I don't worship....I don't have a dog in that fight}
quote=oldroy quote=TheChardo quote=oldroy The C... (show quote)


Hey, I just found out about that church and their minister. It is the minister, not the congregation, that is talking wild like that. Read it for yourself.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2011/08/09/lesbian-pastor-refuses-to-wed-straights-until-gays-allowed-to-marry-in-nc/
quote=TheChardo quote=oldroy quote=TheChardo q... (show quote)



GOOD FOR HER!

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Mar 19, 2013 21:35:45   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
TheChardo wrote:
oldroy wrote:
TheChardo wrote:
oldroy wrote:
TheChardo wrote:
oldroy wrote:
The Chardo,

Today Rush reported that a Methodist church in North Carolina had promised not to marry any more heterosexuals until homosexuals can be married. Now did the government force them to say that or did they just do it on their own.

Maybe I should check up on the churches in that city to determine which of them came out with that kind of talk. It sounds to me like that church has allowed some level of government to force them to move that direction.

I would surely be running from that church as fast as I could with things like this coming from them.
The Chardo, br br Today Rush reported that a Meth... (show quote)


Old Man Roy, maybe, just maybe they did what they thought was right and just. HOW THE F*^*# did the government force the to do anything. You are getting stranger with everything you post.
quote=oldroy The Chardo, br br Today Rush report... (show quote)


Do you suppose they are doing that because a majority of the congregation wants it that way or maybe because a minister wants it that way? {How the hell do I know}

I would certainly find another place to worship if I asked to have my daughter married there and they wouldn't allow it. Have you ever given any thought to something like that? No? I bet not.
quote=TheChardo quote=oldroy The Chardo, br br ... (show quote)
{ Right, I don't worship....I don't have a dog in that fight}
quote=oldroy quote=TheChardo quote=oldroy The C... (show quote)


Hey, I just found out about that church and their minister. It is the minister, not the congregation, that is talking wild like that. Read it for yourself.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2011/08/09/lesbian-pastor-refuses-to-wed-straights-until-gays-allowed-to-marry-in-nc/
quote=TheChardo quote=oldroy quote=TheChardo q... (show quote)



GOOD FOR HER!
quote=oldroy quote=TheChardo quote=oldroy quot... (show quote)


According to the article the woman is a L**T so being a lesbian she is doing what they would prefer. Go ahead and read about her being lesbian.

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Mar 20, 2013 15:55:31   #
Voice of Reason Loc: Earth
 
This is pretty self-explanatory so I'll leave it to the other conservatives here to explain it to the l*****ts.



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Mar 20, 2013 16:03:16   #
The Progressive Patriot
 
Voice of Reason wrote:
This is pretty self-explanatory so I'll leave it to the other conservatives here to explain it to the l*****ts.



You make me sick!

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Mar 20, 2013 16:09:51   #
Voice of Reason Loc: Earth
 
TheChardo wrote:
Voice of Reason wrote:
This is pretty self-explanatory so I'll leave it to the other conservatives here to explain it to the l*****ts.



You make me sick!


Any time I can make a l*****t psychopath, who idolizes murderous dictators and sadists, sick I know I'm doing something right.



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Mar 20, 2013 16:13:39   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
As a man who smoked about a pack a day for 30 years I was so proud when I quit and today after 33 years of freedom from nicotine I have to say that I understand that thing very well, but then I am beginning to really suffer from emphysema also. I was always against people who didn't like me smoking just like these pictures and now I am one of those who h**e the disease of nicotemia, as I call it.

The worst thing about smoking was that although I didn't like the taste I had to smoke after eating to get rid of the nasty food taste and get back to the cigarette taste. As an educated man I knew it was the need for nicotine that had me under control but tried to make myself believe it was the taste that had me by the hand.

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Mar 20, 2013 16:34:01   #
grazeem Loc: Arizona
 
Voice of reason......Isn't

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Mar 20, 2013 16:44:57   #
The Progressive Patriot
 
grazeem wrote:
Voice of reason......Isn't




Voice of h**e is more like it...it must be hard being him.

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Mar 20, 2013 18:02:39   #
oldroy Loc: Western Kansas (No longer in hiding)
 
TheChardo wrote:
grazeem wrote:
Voice of reason......Isn't




Voice of h**e is more like it...it must be hard being him.


Not one note of h**e comes from your fingers, though.

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