Enough? Enough? Liz Wolfe4.25.2024 Cash infusion still not enough: Despite the $60 billion in Ukraine aid that was just authorized by Congress and signed by President Joe Biden, U.S.

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Enough?
Liz Wolfe4.25.2024

Cash infusion still not enough: Despite the $60 billion in Ukraine aid that was just authorized by Congress and signed by President Joe Biden, U.S. government officials are quietly voicing their skepticism that this chunk of change will be effective at helping Ukraine beat Russia.

"Russia maintains a manpower and weapons advantage, and it would take a lot to reverse months and years of territorial losses," reported Politico. It's not just a question of winning or losing, in other words, but also whether Ukraine is able to seize back the parts of its territory that Russia had seized in years prior, like Crimea, or Donbas, which Russia seized at the start of the war in 2022. "There's lots of debate about what a winning endgame for Ukraine looks like at this point," a senior Democratic staffer in the Senate told Politico.

Meanwhile, lots of White House staffers claim that the aid package being stalled for as long as it was has resulted in massive Russian gains that will be even harder for Ukraine to make up for. "It's going to take some time for us to dig out of the hole that was created by six months of delay," saidJake Sullivan, the national security adviser.

But massive pressure was reportedly exerted by the White House in order to ensure the aid bill's passage. Per a Washington Post report, House Speaker Mike Johnson (R–La.) was summoned to the Oval Office in late February—along with Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R–Ky.), Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (D–N.Y.), and House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries (D–N.Y.)—under the guise of discussing how to avoid a government shutdown. The meeting was actually "a plan to pressure Johnson to push through a Ukraine aid package that was deeply dividing House Republicans," per the Post.

The tradeoffs are awful no matter how you slice it. The White House, and the bipartisan consensus in favor of endlessly depleting America's coffers to pay for wars elsewhere, was able to get its way. But even if you were gunning for the right-wing flank of the GOP that was looking to cut foreign aid, it's also worth contending with the real tradeoffs that would come there, in terms of Ukraine struggling to defend itself from Russia's unjust invasion. European allies have come to its aid, yes, but it's an open question as to whether any of this will be enough.

It already TO much!

LogicallyRight Loc: Chicago

***It already TO much!
>>>Agreed

keepuphope Loc: Idaho

AuH20 wrote:

Enough?
Liz Wolfe4.25.2024

Cash infusion still not enough: Despite the $60 billion in Ukraine aid that was just authorized by Congress and signed by President Joe Biden, U.S. government officials are quietly voicing their skepticism that this chunk of change will be effective at helping Ukraine beat Russia.

"Russia maintains a manpower and weapons advantage, and it would take a lot to reverse months and years of territorial losses," reported Politico. It's not just a question of winning or losing, in other words, but also whether Ukraine is able to seize back the parts of its territory that Russia had seized in years prior, like Crimea, or Donbas, which Russia seized at the start of the war in 2022. "There's lots of debate about what a winning endgame for Ukraine looks like at this point," a senior Democratic staffer in the Senate told Politico.

Meanwhile, lots of White House staffers claim that the aid package being stalled for as long as it was has resulted in massive Russian gains that will be even harder for Ukraine to make up for. "It's going to take some time for us to dig out of the hole that was created by six months of delay," saidJake Sullivan, the national security adviser.

But massive pressure was reportedly exerted by the White House in order to ensure the aid bill's passage. Per a Washington Post report, House Speaker Mike Johnson (R–La.) was summoned to the Oval Office in late February—along with Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R–Ky.), Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (D–N.Y.), and House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries (D–N.Y.)—under the guise of discussing how to avoid a government shutdown. The meeting was actually "a plan to pressure Johnson to push through a Ukraine aid package that was deeply dividing House Republicans," per the Post.

The tradeoffs are awful no matter how you slice it. The White House, and the bipartisan consensus in favor of endlessly depleting America's coffers to pay for wars elsewhere, was able to get its way. But even if you were gunning for the right-wing flank of the GOP that was looking to cut foreign aid, it's also worth contending with the real tradeoffs that would come there, in terms of Ukraine struggling to defend itself from Russia's unjust invasion. European allies have come to its aid, yes, but it's an open question as to whether any of this will be enough.

It already TO much!

b Enough? /b br Liz Wolfe4.25.2024 br br Cash i... (show quote)

If Biden administration had pushed hard for negotiation and not kept funding this thousands would be alive today that were sacrificed literally for money and power.

BIRDMAN

AuH20 wrote:

Enough?
Liz Wolfe4.25.2024

Cash infusion still not enough: Despite the $60 billion in Ukraine aid that was just authorized by Congress and signed by President Joe Biden, U.S. government officials are quietly voicing their skepticism that this chunk of change will be effective at helping Ukraine beat Russia.

"Russia maintains a manpower and weapons advantage, and it would take a lot to reverse months and years of territorial losses," reported Politico. It's not just a question of winning or losing, in other words, but also whether Ukraine is able to seize back the parts of its territory that Russia had seized in years prior, like Crimea, or Donbas, which Russia seized at the start of the war in 2022. "There's lots of debate about what a winning endgame for Ukraine looks like at this point," a senior Democratic staffer in the Senate told Politico.

Meanwhile, lots of White House staffers claim that the aid package being stalled for as long as it was has resulted in massive Russian gains that will be even harder for Ukraine to make up for. "It's going to take some time for us to dig out of the hole that was created by six months of delay," saidJake Sullivan, the national security adviser.

But massive pressure was reportedly exerted by the White House in order to ensure the aid bill's passage. Per a Washington Post report, House Speaker Mike Johnson (R–La.) was summoned to the Oval Office in late February—along with Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R–Ky.), Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (D–N.Y.), and House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries (D–N.Y.)—under the guise of discussing how to avoid a government shutdown. The meeting was actually "a plan to pressure Johnson to push through a Ukraine aid package that was deeply dividing House Republicans," per the Post.

The tradeoffs are awful no matter how you slice it. The White House, and the bipartisan consensus in favor of endlessly depleting America's coffers to pay for wars elsewhere, was able to get its way. But even if you were gunning for the right-wing flank of the GOP that was looking to cut foreign aid, it's also worth contending with the real tradeoffs that would come there, in terms of Ukraine struggling to defend itself from Russia's unjust invasion. European allies have come to its aid, yes, but it's an open question as to whether any of this will be enough.

It already TO much!

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BIRDMAN wrote:

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That seems accurate.

AuH20

keepuphope wrote:

If Biden administration had pushed hard for negotiation and not kept funding this thousands would be alive today that were sacrificed literally for money and power.

Raytheon is absolutely delighted, among many others.

BIRDMAN

AuH20 wrote:

That seems accurate.

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AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State

AuH20 wrote:

Enough?
Liz Wolfe4.25.2024

Cash infusion still not enough: Despite the $60 billion in Ukraine aid that was just authorized by Congress and signed by President Joe Biden, U.S. government officials are quietly voicing their skepticism that this chunk of change will be effective at helping Ukraine beat Russia.

"Russia maintains a manpower and weapons advantage, and it would take a lot to reverse months and years of territorial losses," reported Politico. It's not just a question of winning or losing, in other words, but also whether Ukraine is able to seize back the parts of its territory that Russia had seized in years prior, like Crimea, or Donbas, which Russia seized at the start of the war in 2022. "There's lots of debate about what a winning endgame for Ukraine looks like at this point," a senior Democratic staffer in the Senate told Politico.

Meanwhile, lots of White House staffers claim that the aid package being stalled for as long as it was has resulted in massive Russian gains that will be even harder for Ukraine to make up for. "It's going to take some time for us to dig out of the hole that was created by six months of delay," saidJake Sullivan, the national security adviser.

But massive pressure was reportedly exerted by the White House in order to ensure the aid bill's passage. Per a Washington Post report, House Speaker Mike Johnson (R–La.) was summoned to the Oval Office in late February—along with Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R–Ky.), Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (D–N.Y.), and House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries (D–N.Y.)—under the guise of discussing how to avoid a government shutdown. The meeting was actually "a plan to pressure Johnson to push through a Ukraine aid package that was deeply dividing House Republicans," per the Post.

The tradeoffs are awful no matter how you slice it. The White House, and the bipartisan consensus in favor of endlessly depleting America's coffers to pay for wars elsewhere, was able to get its way. But even if you were gunning for the right-wing flank of the GOP that was looking to cut foreign aid, it's also worth contending with the real tradeoffs that would come there, in terms of Ukraine struggling to defend itself from Russia's unjust invasion. European allies have come to its aid, yes, but it's an open question as to whether any of this will be enough.

It already TO much!

b Enough? /b br Liz Wolfe4.25.2024 br br Cash i... (show quote)

Basically, they handed over multimillion dollar equipment to uneducated people and now that equipment is useless.

The utter stupidity never seems to end!

Ricktloml

keepuphope wrote:

If Biden administration had pushed hard for negotiation and not kept funding this thousands would be alive today that were sacrificed literally for money and power.

Many young Ukranian men, (the few that are left), and their families aren't all that eager to die so Zelensky can rake in a few more billions of American taxpayer dollars at their expense. It is shameful to fund this slaughter, to wipe-out a generation...of both Ukrainian/Russian young men.

keepuphope Loc: Idaho

Ricktloml wrote:

Many young Ukranian men, (the few that are left), and their families aren't all that eager to die so Zelensky can rake in a few more billions of American taxpayer dollars at their expense. It is shameful to fund this slaughter, to wipe-out a generation...of both Ukrainian/Russian young men.

True

AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State

Ricktloml wrote:

Many young Ukranian men, (the few that are left), and their families aren't all that eager to die so Zelensky can rake in a few more billions of American taxpayer dollars at their expense. It is shameful to fund this slaughter, to wipe-out a generation...of both Ukrainian/Russian young men.

Very likely!

AuH20

Ricktloml wrote:

Many young Ukranian men, (the few that are left), and their families aren't all that eager to die so Zelensky can rake in a few more billions of American taxpayer dollars at their expense. It is shameful to fund this slaughter, to wipe-out a generation...of both Ukrainian/Russian young men.

They overlook the fact Russian ties run deeply throughout the whole of Ukraine. It is exactly why the CIA set things up to cause what is being seen now.

RickyDCUSMC

AuH2O, I love your handle and the play on the table, I only wonder if others caught it?

keepuphope Loc: Idaho

RickyDCUSMC wrote:

AuH2O, I love your handle and the play on the table, I only wonder if others caught it?

Well I'm brain dead and old,care to explain?

Lily

keepuphope wrote:

Well I'm brain dead and old,care to explain?

If it is chemical, I looked it up; AU is gold and H20 is water.